24 50 1396 https://highway89.org/files/original/1b70bf9128c278938d4665453ceb6ddc.pdf b16a4c26580326bc2d39242ccf837949 PDF Text Text PA RT N ERS: HANCEY ~ JONES ~ WRIGHT & CO. L) Blaine W. Hancey . CPA ( Retired) Gary D. Jones. CPA Ro bert L. Wrigh t. CPA Do uglas H. Swenson. CPA Paul D. Simkins. CPA P RO FESS IO NA LS: R . Leu Dell Tripp. C PA Carl J. La w. CPA John T. Barker, C PA M ichael C. Kidman, CPA Mark R. Mo ntgomery, CPA C ER TI FI ED P U BLI C ACCO UN T AN TS 95 West 100 Sou th . S uite tl200 . P.O . Box 747, Loga n. Uta h 8432 145 73 January 4, 1989 Municipal Council City of Logan 255 North Main Logan, Utah 84321 We have compiled the accompanying information from a telephone survey developed and conducted by Councilman Fred Duersch Jr. This compilation is 1 imited to presenting information that is the representation of Councilman Duersch. We have not audited or reviewed the accompanying information and, accordingly, do not express and opinion or any other form of assurance. The purpose of the survey was to determine voter attitudes regarding proposed modifications to the Logan Canyon Highway. The sample was taken from a 1 ist publ ished by Carr Printing of Logan City residents who voted in the 1987 elections. A systematic sample of 208 was taken from a population of 3,722. The sample represents approximately 6% of the population. Exh i bit 1 shows the quest ions used in the survey and the sample occurrence rate of aYes u and RNo n responses. It also shows the true occurrence rate for uNon answers in the tota l population based on a statistical evaluation. Exhibits 2 - 8 show information regarding respondents to the survey by gender, frequency in travel ing the canyon and the amount of time 1 iving in the county. #~"-v) ~" /UN !J i t~ . HANCEY , JONES, WRIGHT & CO. Certified Pub1 i c Accoun t ants \/ l'l1lh l' fI ()f (1/1' Prt\'ute CU fIl{JafH l' \ Pra('f/Ce S(' C f/IJI/ 11( (1/(' A lll erican I,I\(/{II( (' IJ(Ct'r(if/ec/ Pu nlt" . 4 (,(,() /II /f(JII/ I (801 ) 752 -1510 �EXHIBIT 1 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY WE ARE 95;'~ CONFIDENT THAT THE TRUE OCCURRENCE RATE FOR SAtv1PLE "NO" IS BETWEEN X OCCURREl'·JCE - Y PERCENT OF THE RATE TOTAL POPULATION QUESTIONS YES NO X;~ - Y% YOU IN FAVOR OF MODIFICATIONS OF SOME TYPE IN THE CANYON? 99;'~ 1% • 2~~ - 3/~ YOU IN FAVOR OF STRAIGHTENING SELECTED CURt..,'ES IN THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE CANYON BETlJ..lEEN RIGHT HAND FORK AND RICKS SPRINGS? S9% 11 ~,~ 7'''.'. - 16;~; 9"'/ ~/. S' " /. 5% - 1 "'/ ~". 88% 12% S·,. /. - 17% 73% 2~" I/o 21;~ - 33;~ 55% 45;·': 38% - 5"-/ 3/~ 9 ..... ·" 1/. 94/~ - 99/~ 9;-..' . (.'. 3-" /. 1." /. - 6-" ". DO YOU BELIEVE MODIFYING THE HIGHWAY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO ECONOMIC DEl.) EL0 PM ENT IN CACHE, RICH, AND BEAR LAKE COUNTIES? 72;~ 28;': 22/: - 34% DO YOU BELl E,,'E HIGHWAY MODIFICATIONS CAN BE MADE WITHOUT: A. DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF THE CANYON? B. CAUSING PERMANENT ENt..,' I RON~1 ENTAL DAMAGE? 95;~ 93;·': 5% 7% 3-/ ". 4'''". - 11 /~ ~RE ~RE ARE YOU IN FAt..,'OR OF SELECTED PASSING LANES? ~RE YOU IN FAVOR OF SCENIC TURNOUTS? YOU IN FAt..,'OR OF BETTER CAMPGROUND ACCESS AND EGRESS IN RELATION TO THE HIGHWAY? ~RE ~RE YOU IN FAt..,'OR OF CHANGING THE COURSE OF THE RIVER IF REQUIRED FOR HIGHWAY MODIFICATION? pO YOU FEEL EXI STING BRIDGES ARE SAFE FOR USE BY THE TRAIv'ELING PUBLIC? YOU IN FAVOR OF REPLACING EXISTING BRIDGES WITH WIDER BRIDGES? ~RE ~ ." . 9'/ .I. I DO YOU BELL EtJE THE PREVIOUSLY MODIFIED SECTION OF THE HIGHWAY BET'AlEEN FIRST DAM AND RIGHT HAND FORK IS: /-'4. AN I MPROVEi1ENT? B. ABOUT THE SAtv1E? c. WORSE I"JHEt-··J CO~'1PARED TO THE REST OF THE HI GHWAY'? 84i'~ 13/: . .-. .' W/. I I : I �EXHIBIT 2 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 60 PERCENT 50 40~--~ 30J.---~ 20 1------1: rmmmB FEMA LE 56% 101---~ ~MALE 44% o RESPONDENT BREAKDOWN �EXHIBIT 3 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 50 PERCENT 40 30~----------~~~ 20 t-------~ -FEMALE 10 11%,40%,5% ramaMALE 4%,30%,10% o SELDOM SOME OFTEN TRAVEL FREQUENCY BY RESPONDENTS �EXHIBIT 4 LOGAN CANYON HICHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t----Y.; 50~---t/ 25t----~ "i"'"A-----------tIOOBlUN:DER 5 YR 7% o 93% t.__~~~~~~III~a1I1L_--.Jrama OVI- R 5 RESPONDENTS BY TIME LIVING IN COUNTY YR �EXHIBIT 5 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75t-~ 50t--~ 25t--~ ~------------------------~mMMNO 10%, 1% [_~IIIIIIIIIIIL ol OVER 5 YRS ____~~~l-____~~~YES 83%,6% UNDER 5 YRS ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF STRAIGHTENING SELECTED CURVES ... ? �EXHIBIT 6 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t---~ 50 I-------r 25 t---~ ~------------------------~mMMNO 2%)1% rmaaYES 91%)6% OVER 5 YRS UNDER 5 YRS ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF REPLACING EXISTING BRIDCES WITH WIDER BRIDGES? �EXHIBIT 7 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t------Y. 50t-~ 25 t---+': ~------------------------~MAAMNO 4%) 1% ~YES 89%J6~ OVER 5 YRS Ut~DER 5 YRS CAN MODIFICATIONS BE .MADE WITHOUT DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF THE CANYON? �LOGAN EXHIBIT 8 CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t--+: 501-----V- -WORSE -IN COMPARISON 251--~ ~--------------t-ABOUT T~ SAME ~ at _JIIIILIIIIIIIlI..__~~L_,,-_ _J~ OVER 5 YRS UNDER 5 YRS DO YOU BELIEVE THE PREVIOUSLY MODIFIED SECTION OF THE HIGHWAY .. 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Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2013 Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library using Epson Expression 10000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is PDF (800 dpi), display file is JPEG2000. Checksum 564613655 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 4859817 Bytes Transcription Any written text transcribed from a sound PARTNERS: Blaine W. Hancey . CPA ( Retired) Gary D. Jones. CPA Robert L. Wrigh t. CPA Douglas H. Swenson. CPA Paul D. Simkins. CPA PROFESS IONALS: R. LeuDell Tripp. CPA Carl J. Law. CPA John T. Barker, CPA Michael C. Kidman, CPA Mark R. Montgomery, CPA January 4, 1989 Municipal Council City of Logan 255 North Main Logan, Utah 84321 L) HANCEY ~ JONES ~ WRIGHT & CO. CER TIFI ED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS 95 West 100 South . Suite 200 . P.O. Box 747, Logan. Utah 8432 14573 (801 ) 752-1510 We have compiled the accompanying information from a telephone survey developed and conducted by Councilman Fred Duersch Jr. This compilation is 1 imited to presenting information that is the representation of Councilman Duersch. We have not audited or reviewed the accompanying information and, accordingly, do not express and opinion or any other form of assurance. The purpose of the survey was to determine voter attitudes regarding proposed modifications to the Logan Canyon Highway. The sample was taken from a 1 ist publ ished by Carr Printing of Logan City residents who voted in the 1987 elections. A systematic sample of 208 was taken from a population of 3,722. The sample represents approximately 6% of the population. Exhibit 1 shows the quest ions used in the survey and the sample occurrence rate of aYes and No responses. It also shows the true occurrence rate for uNon answers in the tota l population based on a statistical evaluation. Exhibits 2 - 8 show information regarding respondents to the survey by gender, frequency in travel ing the canyon and the amount of time 1 iving in the county. HANCEY, JONES, WRIGHT & CO. Certified Public Accountants EXHIBIT 1 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY WE ARE 95% CONFIDENT THAT THE TRUE OCCURRENCE RATE FOR SAMPLE "NO" IS BETWEEN X OCCURRENCE - Y PERCENT OF THE RATE TOTAL POPULATION QUESTIONS YES NO X;~ - Y% ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF MODIFICATIONS OF SOME TYPE IN THE CANYON? 99;'~ 1% ‰Û¢ 2~~ - 3/~ ~RE YOU IN FAVOR OF STRAIGHTENING SELECTED CURt..,'ES IN THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE CANYON BETlJ..lEEN RIGHT HAND FORK AND RICKS SPRINGS? S9% 11 ~,~ 7.''''.- - 16;~; ARE YOU IN FAt..,'OR OF SELECTED PASSING LANES? 9"'/ ~/. S/' ". 5% - 1 "'/ ~". ~RE YOU IN FAVOR OF SCENIC TURNOUTS? 88% 12% Såá,. /. - 17% ~RE YOU IN FAt..,'OR OF BETTER CAMPGROUND ACCESS AND EGRESS IN RELATION TO THE HIGHWAY? 73% 2~I"/o 21;~ - 33;~ ~RE YOU IN FAt..,'OR OF CHANGING THE COURSE OF THE RIVER IF REQUIRED FOR HIGHWAY MODIFICATION? 55% 45;åá': 38% - 5"-/ ~ ." . pO YOU FEEL EXI STING BRIDGES ARE SAFE FOR USE BY THE TRAIv'ELING PUBLIC? 3/~ 9 .1.... åá/". 94/~ - 99/~ ~RE YOU IN FAVOR OF REPLACING EXISTING BRIDGES WITH WIDER BRIDGES? 9. ;(-..'..' 3-/". 1./ ". - 6-"". DO YOU BELIEVE MODIFYING THE HIGHWAY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO ECONOMIC DEl.) E L 0 PM ENT IN CACHE, RICH, AND BEAR LAKE COUNTIES? 72;~ 28;': 22/: - 34% DO YOU BELl E,,'E HIGHWAY MODIFICATIONS CAN BE MADE WITHOUT: A. DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF THE CANYON? 95;~ 5% 3"-/. - 9'/ .I. B. CAUSING PERMANENT ENt..,' I RO N~1 ENTAL DAMAGE? 93;åá': 7% 4"'''.- - 11 /~ I DO YOU BELL EtJE THE PREVIOUSLY MODIFIED SECTION OF THE HIGHWAY BET'AlEEN FIRST DAM AND RIGHT HAND FORK IS: /-'4. AN I MPROVEi1ENT? 84i'~ I B. ABOUT THE SAtv1E? 13/: c. WORSE I"JHEt-åáJ CO~'1PARED TO THE REST OF THE I HI GHWAY'? .-. .. ' : W/. I 60 PERCENT 50 40~--~ 30J.---~ 20 1------1: 101---~ o EXHIBIT 2 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY RESPONDENT BREAKDOWN rmmmB FEMA LE 56% ~MALE 44% EXHIBIT 3 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 50 PERCENT 40 30~----------~~~ 20 t-------~ 10 o SELDOM SOME OFTEN TRAVEL FREQUENCY BY RESPONDENTS -FEMALE 11%,40%,5% ramaMALE 4%,30%,10% EXHIBIT 4 LOGAN CANYON HICHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t----Y.; 50~---t/ 25t----~ "i"'"A-----------tIOOBlUN:DER 5 YR o 7% t. __~ ~~~~~III~a1I1L_--.Jrama OVI-R93 %5 YR RESPONDENTS BY TIME LIVING IN COUNTY EXHIBIT 5 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75t-~ 50t--~ 25t--~ ~------------------------~mMMNO 10%, 1% o[l_ ~IIIIIIIIIIIL ____ ~~~l-____ ~~~YE83S% ,6% OVER 5 YRS UNDER 5 YRS ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF STRAIGHTENING SELECTED CURVES ... ? EXHIBIT 6 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t---~ 50 I-------r 25 t---~ ~------------------------~mMMNO OVER 5 YRS UNDER 5 YRS ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF REPLACING EXISTING BRIDCES WITH WIDER BRIDGES? 2%)1% rmaaYES 91%)6% EXHIBIT 7 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t------Y. 50t-~ 25 t---+': ~------------------------~MAAMNO OVER 5 YRS Ut~DER 5 YRS CAN MODIFICATIONS BE .MADE WITHOUT DESTROYING THE BEAUTY OF THE CANYON? 4%) 1% ~YES 89%J6~ EXHIBIT 8 LOGAN CANYON HIGHWAY SURVEY 100 PERCENT 75 t--+: 501-----V- -WORSE -IN COMPARISON 251--~ ~--------------t-ABOUT T~ SAME a~t _ JIIIILIIIIIIIlI.. _ ~~L_,,-__J ~ AN IM-MPREONTV E OVER 5 YRS UNDER 5 YRS DO YOU BELIEVE THE PREVIOUSLY MODIFIED SECTION OF THE HIGHWAY .. DIS? Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Survey results of Logan City resident opinions on widening Logan Canyon road, January 4, 1989 Description An account of the resource Results of a survey conducted by Councilman Fred Duersch Jr. regarding Logan City residents' opinions of widening the road in Logan Canyon. Results were analyzed and presented by Hancy, Jones, Wright, & Co. on January 4, 1989 to the Municipal Council of the City of Logan. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Hancey, Jones, Wright, & Co. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Duersch, Fred, Jr. Subject The topic of the resource Logan Canyon (Utah)--History Public lands--Utah--Logan Canyon--History Roadside improvement--Utah--Logan Canyon United States Highway 89 Logan Canyon (Utah) Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. 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Ham, Cheese or Bacon Omelette with Three Eggs ...... _.....__ ._ .. __ .. __ .__ .. __ ......... $1.10 Two Eggs Fried, Poached or Boiled ............ 1.00 70; Breakfast Steak ................................................. $1.75 Above Orders Include Toast, Jelly, Potatoes and Coffee HOT CAKES AND TOAST I Waffle and Syrup u . m u u . u ••• • •• u •• · . · u u u u ••• u . m u . u · u . u •• u · u ••• u . u u •• u . u • • u . u u . m m u m u m•• u m m . · u m m m u m Wheat Cakes (3) .............................................. Wheat Cakes (2) .... Buckwheat Cakes (3) .................................... Buckwheat Cakes (2) .................................... Milk Toast .......................................................... u ••••·u •••••••••••••••••••••••••• 451 50t SOf 40r 50¢ 40t\ Side Order of Ham, Bacon or Sausage .......... 45¢ 451' Side Order of One Egg .................................... 15¢ French Toast and Jelly ._.................................. Side Order of Two Eggs .................................. 30t Hot or Cold Cereal with Hall and Hall ................................................................................................ 35¢ " JUICES Tomato, Grapefruit, Orange or B!ended Juices .......................................................................................... 15¢ Large Glass of Above Juices ........................................................................................................................ 30, DRINKS Coffee ................................................................ lOt Hot Chocolate ................................................... 15t Milk .................................................................... IO¢ Tea (pot) .......................................................... 10/ Buttennilk .............................................................. lOt NO BOOTH SEllVlCE LESS THAN 251 EACH �OPEN DAILY 6,00 A. M . UNTIL I I.30 P. M., SATURDAY UNTIL 1,00 A. M. TInS IS A GRADE "A" ESTABLISHMENT SANDWICHES Club House .............. __ ................. ___.................__ :...__ ._ .. __ .~ .... j• ••••• _ •••• __ •• ••• 85; J-Iam and Egg ..... _............ _.. ,..~ ..'......... _.. _.._....... _.................................__ 65¢ Bacon and Egg .... __ ...................................... __ .............. _.............. __ ....... Ham and Cheese ............................................................................. _... Cold Beef ........ _.................................................................................... Cold Pork .............................................................................................. liamburger ............. ____ ... _.. _.. _..... _. __ ................ _....... __..._........ __ ............... Deluxe Burger with Bacon ............................................ __ .... ___ ........... 65; 65, 65, 65, 35; 651 Salisbury .................. __ ............................................................................ 35t MENU ALA CARTE Top Sirlo in Steak .... ;................................................................... ........ SpeCial T-Bone Steak ........................................................................ 3.50 Tenderloin Steak ................................................................................ 3.50 New York Cut Steak .......................................................................... 3.25 Short Cut T-Bone Steak ................ 1' .................... .............. ............... 2.50 1.25 Fried Egg Sandwich .......................................................................... 35; Fried Ham ............................................................................................ Cheeseburger ....................,...................... ............................................. Hot Pork Sandwich .............................................................................. 90; Steak Sandwich .................................................................................... 9O¢ Hot Hamburger Sandwich ................................................................ 9O¢ DESSERTS 30; Breaded Veal Cutlets ........................................................................ 1.25 Pie .......................................................................................................... 25/ 50¢ Hamburger Steak ................................................................................ 1.25 45i Salisbury Steak .................................................................................... Cubed Steak .....,.................................................................................. 1.25'"" 1.25 Sausage Steak ...................................................................................... 1.25 Breaded Cube Steak ........................................................................ 1.25 65, 35¢ 45i . Grilled Cheese ...................................................................................... 35,· Potato Chips and Pickles Served with Sandwiches Side Order of French Fried Po tatoes 20(' Above Orders Include Potatoes, Vegetables, Bread, Butter SOUPS FISH and Coffee - Milk 10, Extra Pie ala l\1ode ........................................................................................ 35¢ Sweet Roll .................................................................................... _...... 10/ D oughnuts ............................................................................................ 10, Malts ...................................................................................................... 301 Milk Shakes .......................................................................................... 30; 3O¢ 1 Fish and Chips .................................................................................... $1.10 30¢ 3O¢ Fried California Salmon .................... _.............................................. $1.25 Fried Halihut ...................................................................................... $1.25 30¢ ~ hr imp SALADS Tuna Salad ............................................................................................ 90¢ French Apple Pie ................................................................................ llacon and Tomato ... t........................... ..................................... .......... . Hot Beef Sandwich ............................................................................ 1.25 Tomato and Lettuce .......................................................................... Tuna Fish Sandwich .......................................................................... , . 3.50 T·80ne Steak .................................................................................... 3.25 45¢ 50¢ Large Dinner Soup .............. 25c Cream of Mushroom ............ Dinner Soup ........................ 1St Vegetable Soup .................... Chicken Soup ........................ 30!' Clar.:l Chowder ...................... Cream of Tomato 'Soup ........................................................................ \ HOT SANDWICHES Chef's Special Stea k ............................. ............................................ $2.00 Pork Chops .................................... ................................................. Veal Cutlets ..................................... ................................................. Chicken Salad Sandwich .................................................................. Cold Ham Sandwich .......................................................................... NO BOOTH SERVICE LESS THAN 25¢ EACH Cocktail .................................................................................. 75;. Oys ter Stew .......................................................................................... 75¢ 30; Sundaes DRINKS Colfee .................................................................................................... 10; Milk ...................................................................................................... 10, 95¢ Tea ( pot ) ............................................................................................ 10; Fruit Salad ................._........................................................................ 751 Shrimp Salad ........................................ ,................................................. 951 Hot Chocolate ...................................................................................... 15; Lettuce and Tomato Salad .......~..... .................... . .............................. Chicken Salad ........................................................................................ Vcgctable Combination Salad ............................................................ Fruit and Cottage Cheese Salad ........................................................ • FRESH FIUED SHIUMPS .................................................... 75f 95¢ 75¢ 75; Sl.50 Salad, Toast, French Fried Potatoes, Cofiee SOUTHERN FIUED CHIC KE ....................................... 5 l.50 Salad, French Fried Potatoes, Coffee ButteTnlilk ............................................................................................ CHILD'S ~LATE l Ot CHINESE MENU 75¢ Chjckell Chow Mein ................................................................ $1.25 J Hamburger Paille or Roasl Beef Beef Chow Mein ........................................................................ 1.25 Mashed Potatoes and Gravy Vegetable Bread and Butter Mille or JUice Children under years of age Pork Chow Me in ........................................................................ 1.25 Hall Portion ................................................................................ 95; Chinese Beef, Pork or Chicken Noodles ................................ 85; U you prefer we would be glad to furnish you with extra p (12 to divide any of our regular menu items among the children , �Mileage Distance from Logan 27 93 144 263 89 EAST Kemmerer, Wyoming . _____ .............. __....__ ............ Rock Springs ........................... __ ......... ___.... __ .. __.. Rawlins ........................................... _..__ ................ Laramie ..................................... __ ................. __ ... ___ Chevcnne ..................... _.............. __ ... ___ ................ Jackson Hole ................................................... __ . 96 184 292 409 461 190 47 84 348 402 548 837 30 S WEST Tretnonton .......................................................... Burley, Idah o .............. __.................__ ................... Twin Falls .......................... __ ........ __ ...................... ~'[ ounta i n Home ................................................ Boise .................................................................... 23 144 184 291 324 91 NORTH Preston, Idaho .................................................... Pocatello .............................................................. Idaho Falls .......................................................... West Yellowstone .............................................. 91 SOUTH Ogden .................................................................. Salt Lake City .................................................... Cedar City .......................................................... St. George .......................................................... Las Vegas, Nevada ............................................ Los Angeles ...................................................... Just a Few Suggestions on Points of Interest in Cache Valley Largest Swiss Cheese Factory in the world, Amalga. State Fish H atchery, west of Logan. One of the largest one-unit pea canning factories in the world, SmitMield. White's Trout Farm, Paradise. Big Game Reserve Unit, Blacksmith Fork Canyon. Jim Bridger's Fur Caches near Hyrum, Utah. Grave of Martin Harris, one of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon, Clarkstoll. Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, Logan. Utllh State University. Logan. Jardine Juniper, 3500 year old tree, oldest and largest known living juniper, Logan Canyon. Sardine Canyon Drive near Wellsville. National Fraternal, Civic and Veteran's Organizntions meet regularly. Chief industries of I,ogan and Cache Countycond ensed milk and cheese fa ctories, sugar factory, flour-milling and elevators, pea, bean, and corn canning plants, knitting and wearing.apparel fac· tories. candy and ice cream plants, bakeries. chicken and fish hatcheries, floral houses and plants, upholstering and tailor shops, saw mill and millwork, monumen t campanies, mattress fa ctory, batt1ing works, concrete pipe, tile and brick plants, fixture manufacturing plants, turkey processing plant, abbattoir, trout fanns , honey culture. 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Reference: DE: Darren Edwards (Interviewer; USU graduate student) TK: Ted Kindred NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All additions to transcript are noted with brackets. The interview is broken into five-minute tracks, which are noted in the transcript. TAPE TRANSCRIPTION [Disk 1, Track 1] DE: This is Darren Edwards. I’m here with Ted Kindred at his home in Hyrum, Utah, for the oral history of Logan Canyon Project. So what’s your full name? TK: What? DE: Your full name. TK: Theodore J. Kindred. DE: And when and where were you born? TK: Kansas City, Missouri, 1918. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  1   �DE: So how did you get from Kansas City to Logan? TK: Oh, I was out here with Thiokol when they first started. I was a management consultant. And, I don’t know. When they first called me to come out here I asked them where it was at and they said Promontory. I said “You’ve got to be kidding.” I said, “There’s nothing out there but sagebrush.” And they said, “No we’re building a big plant out here.” So I came out and I stayed. Been here ever since, this is home. DE: You decided you liked the sagebrush. TK: Oh, I love it here. I didn’t want to stay on the other side of the mountains [Box Elder County]. So I wanted to come over here. And now it’s getting too crowded. DE: So what’s your earliest memory of Logan Canyon? TK: The very earliest is at the mouth of the canyon. It was a two-lane road at that time. And the trees made a tunnel over the canyon there at the mouth. And you drove that way almost to Malibu and Guinavah in that. Of course then when they decided to widen it all the trees came out. No more up there. But, we used to go camping up there and then later up at St. Anne’s. I used to go up there. Monsignor Stock [of the Catholic Church] looked after it [St. Anne’s Retreat when it was] left to them. And he only had a small parish here, and I was one of the few in that. But anyhow he was trying to look after it, and so I sort of took over half of it to look after. And oh, did a lot of repairs and things up there. And then there used to be a tremendous amount of vandalism done up there because, there are all kinds of stories you’ve probably heard and that. But it was basically used as a, we [Catholic Church] called it retreat. But it was a vacation place for the Holy Cross Hospital [in Salt Lake City] and the Benedictine Hospital in Ogden, for them to come up and spend a week or two. But I don’t know. After winter when it was closed up, they [vandals] used to break in and the furniture was getting torn up and burned in the big fireplace and stuff. And I don’t know, maybe you’d like some background of that St. Anne’s. DE: St. Anne’s is the Catholic retreat just up Logan Canyon? Yeah. Background would be great. TK: Well some of the background: That land originally belonged to the Hatch family. And they gave it to the Forest Service for lifetime lease on it. They kept it forever. But Boyd Hatch took over and built, oh, a nice place up there. And I don’t know I don’t believe a whole lot’s known here about him other than the Hatch Room up to the University in the Library. That was donated by them. But he had a partner at the Atlas Corporation: Floyd [Bostwick] Odlum. And he and Floyd, I’ve always said, were the first conglomerate people. They had the RKO Studios and Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  2   �Bell & Howell Camera, United Fruit, Bonwit Teller department stores: a whole group of things. But they would bring people in [to the St. Anne’s Retreat, then called Pine Glenn Cove or Hatch's Camp or Forest Hills. It was placed on the national Register of Historic Places on 28 December 2006]. They had a large closed-in porch, screened in. And they’d fly people in from New York and Los Angeles, friends. They had barbeques down by the river. And then on that porch they’d have big name orchestras out of the, like RKO Studios. Bring them in for dances here and things. But [Track 2] anyhow, Boyd was going to build a Tudor mansion in Providence up on the, up where Edgewood Farms is there. And he had a heart attack and died. So all they ever got done was the foundation. [The furnishings for the library for this mansion were donated to Utah State University and are now housed in the Hatch Room in the Libraries’ Special Collection & Archives.] But then, they Hatch and Odlum were both married to sisters: the McQuarrie sisters. [Speaking of St. Anne’s Retreat]: Boyd died. Mary Anne [his wife] gave the lower Hatch part to Monsignor Stock for the church. And later Hortense [McQuarrie] Odlum she’d be up there by herself. She decided there’s no use her coming up there anymore because Floyd had got a divorce and married Jackie Cochran, a jet flying woman, jet flying ace. And so she called and told him [Monsignor Stock] he could have hers, too. So they had the whole thing. But it was a wonderful place. I used to clean out the pool up there, the swimming pool. DE: What were the names again of the people that donated that land? TK: Boyd Hatch and Floyd Odlum. It was actually their wives, Mary Anne and Hortense. DE: Mary Anne and Hortense. TK: Hortense. Uh huh DE: How do you…Do you know how to spell that? TK: HORTENSE I think it is: Hortense. But there’s an interesting thing about that. They were sisters – McQuarrie sisters. And their father died and Boyd’s [Hatch] mother died—Eastman Hatch’s wife; the older one. And they met each other and they got married. That made Boyd and his wife step-brother, step-sisters. It’s interesting, it’s complicated. But anyhow that covers pretty well what that was [history of St. Anne’s Retreat]. They finally, the nuns wouldn’t go up there anymore because there were too many people trying to get in there. And they just didn’t want to be up there bothered at Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  3   �night especially. So anyhow they had it for oh, the kids, needed places to go you know, on that. And it didn’t last very long and they weren’t taking care of it. So the church sold it; got out of it. But anyhow, aside from that the sisters still wanted a place to go. And I had bought a place at Beirdneau; and I let them use that place. They could come up there, small groups of them. It wasn’t big like St. Anne’s. But they’d come up and I’d take vegetables and things up for them to have while they were there. DE: Where was that again? TK: At Beirdneau. DE: OK; Beirdneau. TK: And I don’t know if you ever knew Tom Lyons? [He] taught English here at the [Utah State] University for years. DE: Must have been before my time. TK: Well. Yeah, it was. He lived next door there [at Beirdneau]. They lived there the year round. I don’t know what all you want me to tell about this. But I’ll tell you an incident that I was involved in. They had three little boys. And we had six children, some of them about the ages of those kids. Of course they were up there by themselves so they would come over as soon as they heard the car come up to our place, to have somebody to play with. Well, one time they came over and they were turning handsprings and things. And they asked me if I could do that. And I said, not any more. I said, “I practice yoga.” And they said, “Oh we’ve got an Indian teaching us yoga comes up to the canyon.” I say, “Well, I tell you what, next time I come up I’ll dress, everything on for that. But you got to be quiet when I go.” Well I had a Chautauqua outfit. Years back those traveling operas and things. It was a brocade and velvet outfit, you know; spangles all over it. I don’t know all kinds of stuff. And I had a fez, and I had a pair of turned up boots, or shoes, like the Turks. I had those on [Track 3] and so the kids caught on what I was doing and they had all kinds of garbs to go with me up there. Well, when they got up there, their lands were gone. I and told them there’s no use wasting that. And in the front of our place there’s a bend going around in front of Malibu and Guinavah, just a slight bend. Well, we . . . out on the end of that and it was open. So the wild phlox was all in bloom. And we had our dog Gabby with us and we picked phlox and put in his collar. And the kids had him, we’d go down to the corner, a car came around we’d give them a peace sign and throw phlox out, you know. [Chuckling] Two weeks later there was a rumor going around town that a hippie family moved up Logan Canyon. But it was fun. DE: And you guys were the hippie family? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  4   �TK: Yeah. But anyhow we used the place we had up there; we’d use it the year round. We had a big fireplace in it and we had a wood/coal stove like that. Go up there in the winter and build a fire in the stove and the fireplace, heat it up. The kids would go snowshoeing or sliding up there. And have hot chocolate and things for them to warm up with. But I don’t know. On up the canyon in the early days, we used to cut Christmas trees up at the Sinks. And I’ll never forget that. Our two oldest ones weren’t too old then, that we had. It was quite a lift, must be a half a mile across the land there to get over to the trees. There was about three feet of snow on the ground. I went over, I cut a tree and took, the two older ones wanted to go with me. Well, by the time they got over there they were tired and they wanted to be carried. And I had that Christmas tree and those two kids to get out of there. Well, a friend at that time, Jim Cannon, worked for the Forestry. And he arrived with a snowcat just as I was getting back off of that. And I said, “Why did you have to wait until now to come up?” [Chuckling] He’d have got me out of here. But that’s the only time I ever cut a tree up there. Never went back to get another one. DE: Where was that again? TK: At the Sinks. DE: Okay. TK: That’s, you turn at Beaver to go up and you get about half way up the slope, it was down in the Sinks. All down there, the low part. DE: So just past Beaver in those sinks there? TK: Yeah, uh hum. But you had to go clear across that to the trees. And that’s where they issued permits to cut them. And we used to like to go up to Sunrise Campground, up there and camp. We’d do that a lot. But it’s hard to get into any of those places anymore. There’s everybody wanting in them. DE: Yeah. Now when you say “we” is that you and your family? TK: Yeah. DE: Your kids and wife? TK: Yeah. We did a lot of camping before, well even after we had our summer place up there. We liked to go up the Wind Rivers. But anyhow back to Logan Canyon. It had the most beautiful view [at Sunrise Campground] coming up, looking down on the blue there at Bear Lake from the outpost there. But also I think a place they forget about--there where they turn off to Temple Forks in Logan Canyon there’s a privately owned place right there that looks like oh, a nice brick ranch house built down there with a boat. There’s four acres or something in there. And there Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  5   �had been a juniper place in there they called it Juniper Inn. You’d go up there and eat and things. And it burned down. And it was a long time ago. Anyhow, I inquired about that land up there because they have water rights, everything for it. And at that time the forester, M.J. Roberts, he was looking for it too. Well, I found the guy he was in the army over in Germany. [Track 4] And I contacted him. He wanted $26,000 for that. I wished I bought it now. DE: So did M.J. buy it? TK: M.J. Roberts. That was the Chief Forester at that time. Everybody knows him, he’s been around … DE: So did he end up buying the land? TK: No. DE: No. TK: I wouldn’t tell him who it was [that owned it]. [Chuckles] No, that’s private— they built that ranch house up there on it. And they have water rights and everything for it, on both sides of the river. DE: That’s a good setup. TK: Yeah. It was a good deal. But I don’t know. There’s been such a change in the canyon itself because everybody’s in a hurry to get up to Beaver or Bear Lake in the summer. And even Bear Lake, I remember that. Gad, when Ideal Beach was the place to go, and we used that a lot too on weekends. But I don’t know if you want to cover anything that was that far up. DE: That’s good; whatever you want to talk about with Bear Lake or Beaver or any of that. TK: Well I can tell you a couple of good stories about it. My son was in the Civil Air Patrol. And often in the summer they would sponsor members coming in from other countries here, spend a week or two. And one year they had boys from France. And we had them up the canyon; they used the cabin up there to stay in. But I wanted to take them up to Paris, Idaho. [Chuckles] And we went up there just to show them the town. As we came back the north beach was crowded, it was on Sunday; people all over the beach. And they saw it. And they wanted to know if we could go in there, turn in there. They wanted to, the minute we turned in there they stripped clothes down, they were going swimming. And in those jockey shorts, it, if they get wet, they may as well have been naked, you know. Well that was long before we ever had them here. But then that’s what they had on. Everybody was staring over at them. But they had a good time up there swimming and all. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  6   �But then another time we had them at our place from Denmark. And everybody said, “Oh we’ve got to have the return missionaries come up so they can,” I said, “We don’t need that they speak English.” I said, “We don’t, but they speak more than one language over there.” So anyhow, I don’t drink, but I thought they do because the water’s bad there you know. And it’s gonna be hot. It was in July. So I had a guy bring up a few cases of beer. And I had a little stream running down by us that come out of the springs and I had them set them in there, cooling. So when we got up there, why, they had, they had the interpreters with them. That is the other people that was with them. And I asked them when they got up there if they were thirsty. Oh yeah, they are. I said, well, over in that stream, I said there’s cold drinks over there. Gad, [laughing] they did away with all of them. They were all gone. But I don’t know this. I made a few notes here… Oh another thing. We had a very dear friend who was James Holy Eagle from Pine Ridge Reservation. DE: Now that was James TK: Holy Eagle DE: Holy Eagle TK: He used to come and spend summers here. And, oh, the kids they just worshiped him. He was their grandfather as far as they were concerned. But he liked to spend all the time he could up at our place there in the canyon. And he, what we call dogwood, they call that red willow. And he’d cut off pieces of that and let it kind of dry. Then he’d scrape the outer bark off and then the inner bark he’d scrape and save. And when it dried he’d grind it all up and that’s what they call kinnikinnick or tobacco. He’d mix a few little, real tobacco in with it. He had one cigarette every night for visions up there out of that. But I thought that was interesting to find out what we call dogwood they call red willow and made their tobacco out of it. But [Track 5] he’d wander around up there. He loved being up there and that. And the kids loved having him up there, too. I was a special guest for the first Sun Dance they had that was legal back in ’72. And I was able to take pictures of all that. There was a porcupine up there. DE: Now when you say the first Sun Dance what was that? TK: That’s a very holy dance for them. They put a pole or a tree in a circle and then their, whoever they’re going to dance for, they make kind of a rope that they weave that’s tied up to that. And then they’d pierce themselves here and put that rope in it. And they’d dance and that until, four days, until they’d pull that out finally. And for the, in order to have the whatever they’re dancing for was done. But I don’t know so many things. There’s something. I’m getting off of… Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  7   �DE: You’re okay. You’ve mentioned your family a couple of times. What were their names? TK: My family? [Wife was Patricia Kindred.] I had six children. I just lost my daughter [Jennifer Treibe died 22 July 2008]. She lived right across the street; the only one that still lives here. [She] had liver cancer. But anyhow, my oldest was Timothy Kindred; then Rebecca Kindred and Kathleen Kindred and Patricia Kindred, Jennifer Kindred and Lindy Kindred. Most of them had a, only one graduated from over here at USU. But they all had an introduction over there. Some stayed and some didn’t. My youngest one she’s, teaches graduate students in Bloomington, Indiana, in theatre. In fact she was a designer for Shakespeare Festival, not this year, but the two years before. DE: Just here in town? TK: Salt Lake. But anyhow, I was trying to think what else I could tell you about… DE: Well, really to get just a little more on you. During all this time what was your profession, what did you do? TK: Well, I was a jack of all trades, I guess. Out here, for instance, I was hired as consulting, management consulting person. And I traveled quite a lot. More for corporate than I did from the Wasatch Division, because they had other interests that they’d call me for. We had, oh; we had a place, for instance, in Georgia, St. Mary’s, Georgia. And they were going to build a big booster down there. But it didn’t work out. So they started building ammunition down there and there was an explosion. So it killed several people. So they sent me down there to get it started again. And then they were in the rug-backing business. And that wasn’t working. So they sent me here, there and yonder. They had, oh they must have had 25 places that made ‘em. But it didn’t take long to find out what was the matter. They weren’t organized. But I spent time down at Virginia – at Waynesboro. That was for the one that I, the main one was on it. And I don’t know. Then I spent a year in Chicago when the wind tunnel at Calahoma [?], the Air Force. Somebody left a ladder in there and they turned it on and destroyed it. They had to rebuild it. And part of it was in Chicago. They weren’t building it very fast so I spent a year commuting in there. But that was mainly what I was sent. But since I’ve retired it’s been oh, history, local. [Track 6] In fact here I think it was I don’t know [19]’96 -’97, I belonged to the Mormon History Association. And they established the Thomas Caine Award and I got that the first year they issued it. That’s for a non-Mormon doing Mormon history. DE: Now what is the Thomas Caine Award for? TK: The Thomas Caine? I collected all this data, local data and maintained it. I don’t know they’d send people from everywhere here for information; anywhere in the Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  8   �Valley here practically. Elaine Thatcher, her father was a really good friend of mine – Ted Thatcher. And his mother was a very dear friend of mine: Hannah Thatcher; Frank Thatcher’s wife. But she was a 106 years old when she died. She lived a good long life. DE: And Elaine told me (Elaine Thatcher is one of the people who is over the project) she said that you were quite a historian; that you had done a good deal of local history work. TK: Well, her grandmother was not Mormon, and her grandmother’s father John oh… I’m pushing 90 and I have, I don’t get instant recall of names. What was his last name? Anyhow he was director of music. He came from Wales. He was director of music out here in Benson Ward for different wards out there. Went to church there all the time; but never joined the church.1 And he was the first Postmaster out there. And his, he had to make a name for it. Wasn’t Benson then; he called it King. And I have postcards from there that were never used. King, Utah. DE: Before it was called Benson it was called King? TK: King. Uh hum. Yeah. But I don’t know. I was trying to just think of other things that maybe… DE: Some of the things that we’re looking into are the land use policies. The way the canyon has been used. What are some of your views on land use policies? TK: Well, they put a stop on issuing any permits for homes up there. And they would like to get rid of all of them. But that’s going to be a hard thing to do. I know they had a committee a number of years ago do a massive study on that. And there were some 98,000 summer homes on government land [all over the country]. And they recommended that Forestry sell that land to the people that owned the places and get out of the business. Don’t do it anymore. Well, poor old M.J. Roberts, he had to call a meeting on that, you know. And I kept asking when he was going to get to that part. And finally he was getting angry about me asking him. He didn’t want to get it. He said, “You couldn’t afford to buy it.” He said, “We want $3,000 an acre.” I said, “I’ll give you a check right now for it.” [Laughing] But they never did do it. They never sold them. They still lease the land. And it’s high now, but the lease is not as high as the areas put on taxes, things like that, you know, and insurance for up there. And I don’t know the taxes have gone skyhigh. There was hardly any taxes on those places [in earlier times]. They never 1 Note from Elaine Thatcher: Hannah Mathews Thatcher was 105 when she died in 1990. Her father, John Mathews, was choirmaster for St. Johns Episcopal Church in Logan. He would walk to Logan from Benson to serve in this capacity. I don’t think he ever attended the LDS Church unless it was for a wedding or funeral. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  9   �did anything for them. But now the county, I think, on just a little place up there, be $600-$700 a year on it. And they used to let students live there the year-round. But not anymore; they got to be out of there, they close it. DE: You mentioned earlier some of the ways that you’ve noticed the way people use the canyon has changed. [Track 7] You said it used to be a lot slower, and now everybody’s in a rush to get to Beaver or to Bear Lake. Can you talk a little bit more about that? How the way people use the canyon has changed in your life. TK: Well, yes. It used to, you know, you drove slowly up there because it was a narrow road. And you could enjoy a trip up there. You weren’t hanging on to the steering wheel wondering who’s gonna hit you next, you know, or something. But now it’s a speedway going up there. Well, it’s getting to be the same way going from Logan to Preston since they widened that. That’s 60 miles an hour now and they go 70-75-80 on it. But it used to be an enjoyable trip to go up there. But I don’t know; I don’t like it now. I go up to the Emigration Canyon going from Preston over. Because it’s a bad road there, it’s narrow yet. You can go through there and really enjoy it, going through, enjoy the whole place. And then there’s Ricks Springs up there. I don’t think it’s even open anymore.2 DE: Ricks Springs? TK: Uh hum. Everybody’d always stop there and get a drink. But I guess it was dangerous to pull off there now. Or maybe it didn’t have no parking there after widening it. I don’t know. DE: So it seems like widening, the widening of the roads and the making of the speed limits faster has changed things a lot. TK: Yeah. The whole bit. And they had to widen the bridges. Then there’s that one bridge up used, you kind of worried about even crossing it when somebody’s coming the other way, ‘cause it was just real narrow. DE: And where was this bridge at? TK: Oh it’s after you . . . it’s quite a ways up there. I’m trying to think what the, it’s when you’re going up high and there’s a deep canyon all around there. In fact a fellow pushed a car off with his wife in it up there. DE: When was this? TK: Oh, a long time ago. Yeah. I think he went to prison for it. Because that must be a 150 feet down. 2 Note from Elaine Thatcher: As of this writing (Dec. 18, 2008), Ricks Spring in Logan Canyon is still open and has pull-out areas for cars, interpretive signage, and a boardwalk for people to walk on going up to the pool. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  10   �DE: Now was this back when the bridge was narrow? TK: Uh hum. Yep. DE: So in dealing with the land use and the policies governing land use, have you, did you personally have any hand it those? In creating policies? Or was there ever something that you lobbied for? TK: No. The things that you used to argue about. They came up one time, for instance, at me. I kept the lawn nice, because we had small children. And you have snakes up there, you know. We’d have a rattler every once in awhile out there go across. But I kept in down and one of the rangers told me I shouldn’t do that I ought to let the grass grow. And I said well I’m not going to do it. I didn’t, either, because I didn’t want my kids running out there to play you know, and stepping on a rattler and get bit; because you never knew for sure. But that brings up something else, you know, that… The students used that the year round. They’d stay there the year round. And there was a couple of them. One of them still lives over here in Logan. But he was kind of a real environmentalist. And in fact he was against the North Slope pipeline in Alaska coming down. But after we had the shutdown on oil coming in here for a short period a long time ago. Well, he went to Alaska and he did write ups on the pipeline. And he made quite a lot of money doing them. And he came back here and he opened his own business here. I often have thought of him. He made all the money writing all these things, you know. But I think he was hurrying them up to get oil in, too. But they’d [Track 8] park in my lower parking and it’d be muddy and they’d made ruts in there. So I called them one day, the three of them up there and I said, you guys bring your rakes over here and clean up the mess you left on my parking. They says, like what? And I said, “You’re all environmentalists,” and I said “Look what you did down here.” I said, “You made these deep ruts.” [Chuckles] But those same guys, I get, they used to come up and we’d have, I had a fire pit and we’d do pit barbeques up there. That’s something else I did too. When they used to have the Western Writers Conferences here, I always knew who was coming and I’d do a pit barbeque up at our place for the ones who were going to take part in it. Not the audience, but the ones that were, and I met all these people, and I’d always have their book so they could sign them. But I don’t know. They’re wonderful people, you know. The only one I didn’t like, well, I guess he was alright. But he was different, was Edward Abby. DE: Edward Abby? TK: Yeah. He was kind of foul-mouthed. But he’d have a couple of drinks, and start in. But I don’t know. Wallace Stegner, he was a wonderful person. He just, they were over to the house here, he and his wife two different times to visit. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  11   �But also this, the same ones, the environmentalists that I was telling you about, one winter we went up to Mammoth Springs in Yellowstone and stayed up there with a project officer and then the next day went over to, oh, what’s the, oh, that’s awful when you can’t recall right quick. Anyhow it’s Windows Flat in the valley. And we went over there and snowshoed in to get pictures of wildlife in there. Oh, it was a beautiful thing. But they were worried about me. I was the oldest one of them and they were afraid I was going to fall. But I made it. And oh, shoot. But anyhow, we had lots of experiences like that. I feel I’ve had a good life. You know, getting involved in all these things. DE: Had a lot of activities and things go on. TK: Well, in the early days. Now this is something else I guess I could tell you about. We were very active with the foreign students. And back in the early 60s up ‘til early 70s they had several thousand here. DE: The foreign students? TK: Uh hum. And a lot of them were from Iran, Iraq, and places like that. Arabia, Egypt. But the main ones that came was from South America. And places that don’t like us like Venezuela. The ones that turned on us, you know. But we had lots of students. They used to call this house the Latin American Embassy. But anyway some students were leaving to go home then they would bring students coming in over and introduce them. So it was constant turnover coming in. But we’d take them up the canyon. I don’t know, have barbeque and stuff up there. And entertain them. But I don’t know. Do you have more things there that you could . . .? DE: A couple of things that I would like a little, if you can elaborate a little bit more on, with the writers project; when the writers came in. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? TK: Well, yes, it was a fabulous thing to me. They had quite a large attendance for that. And, of course, the big names of all of them that came in. I know our son’s name was Timothy Shane. And Frank, [Track 9] I’m trying to think of his last name just off hand. That wrote the movie, the story Shane. [A.B. Guthrie wrote the screenplay for Shane.] He was here. And when he found out our son’s name was Shane he wrote a whole page in the book and gave to him. About Shane and all. But oh, Guthrie, and here a while back, I can’t get the names, I can’t recall them real quick for you. But those, some of those people still come for other occasions here. Like when they have the Leonard Arrington lectures. Every once in awhile I’d go and here’s an old face comes in. And there’s one from Yale, he was here a while back and I went down to talk to him. We had a nice visit there for a while. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  12   �Because he had the old memories of having a pit barbeque. He’d never seen one before. But it’s been a wonderful life here you know, and stuff. DE: Are there any ways you can think of that the writers project, and having those writers come in and share that Logan Canyon, and experience Logan Canyon, that affected the development of Logan Canyon? Or the land use of Logan Canyon? TK: Well, we used to use up all the parking spaces up there at Beirdneau when we had these. But I think the people enjoyed them. Like Tom Lyons lived right there, he was from the University. And I don’t know but Ken Brewer. Ken was a participant in that. And then there was another one that died not long ago – Mark Sorensen. [Omitted part of interview at this point.] In fact there were other things they had, too. They used to have the Lawman/Outlaw Group. And they had all the western stuff. It used to all be published here. But they’d just last so long; it was almost like the Heritage Farm out here. Most of that was up on the campus and they moved it all out there now. But I was involved in that when they first started out there. The first manager was from here, Sven Johnson [Johansen?]. But I think they’re doing a better thing out of it now, over there. DE: That’s the Heritage … Was it the heritage ranch you’re talking about? TK: Farm DE: The Heritage Farm. TK: Yeah. Out there by Wellsville. Yeah. [Ronald V. Jensen Historical Farm] DE: What can you tell me about Austin Fife? TK: Austin Fife. He was a real good friend. He and his wife used to come over every once in awhile. And they always had these wonderful stories. There’s something that I never did see documented that over here in Wellsville they had, one of the families that came in from the east brought slaves with them. And when the slaves were released they took their name of Brad what, it will come to me in a minute. Anyhow one of them was Pokey. And over here in Mt. Sterling he squatted on a piece of land. And they had a quarry in there. And a lot of the rock that went into these Wellsville homes [Track 10] came out of that quarry. And they have the cemetery over there. For the centennial I got people out of range science to come and clean that up, because there’s still a lot of people buried there. And when I, they put something in the paper about it. And I said that I was worried about two places there. Said I was wondering if there had been slaves that were buried there. Because they had sunk in; and Wilma Hall over in Wellsville, she’s the historian for there. She called me up and she says, “What do Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  13   �you know that I don’t know?” [Chuckles] That was under their control then. I said, “I don’t.” I said, “But they didn’t make tombstones for them when they died.” I knew that. And I said, “I’m trying to also get more information on it.” But I said, “Most of them migrated to Salt Lake.” And I said “I have the phone numbers of them.” But how do you call and ask “Are you black or are you white?” To talk to them. So I said I haven’t done it. But I don’t know. There’s so many things that they have up there. Now Malibu, right across from where Malibu is the area called Malibu. There used to be a large, oh, dance hall built in there. And later became a scout place. And then finally they just tore it down, got it out of there. Then down where the Stokes Center is. That was originally a scout place. And then the Legions had it for a long time. DE: The who? TK: The American Legion. DE: American Legion. TK: Uh hum. And now, of course, it was kind of abandoned because the Legion was, well, ‘cause they were dying off from World War I and II. That was the day. Not going to be around too long. DE: Is there anything that you could tell me about Hardware Ranch? TK: Yeah. I love the Hardware Ranch up there. In fact, there’s a book on it called Twenty Eight Years on the Anderson Ranch by Leon Anderson. And a number of years ago when they had a young ranger up there, and they wanted to start having an elk festival. So I called all over to find out who could give me authorization to republish that book. And I found Leon’s son in Hawaii and he gave me permission to publish a thousand of them. And we printed them for $3.00 apiece; we were selling them for $10 using the money for that up there to help with that. And when I first came here the Legion in the wintertime had a trailer that they’d park at the entrance up there and they sold hot chocolate and coffee and hot dogs and hamburgers and stuff to people. Used to be a lot of people went up there in the winter. And I don’t know that’s the way they raised funds for it. But then the first year that they had this elk festival. DE: What festival was that? TK: Elk Festival DE: The Elk Festival Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  14   �TK: Yeah. Dan Christensen is the Superintendent up there. And he’s doing a lot of new things. What’s his . . . Thad Box. DE: Thad Box TK: Yeah. He was the first speaker up there. I like him. He’s really a neat fellow. Even at his house, the house he lives in there on Center Street. I had a call from Barbara Howell one time, wanted to know if I’d come over and tell her about some light fixtures that she had. And I went over and they were art deco style. And she was showing them to me and wanted to know what they were worth. And I told her. Well, then I was on the committee for places that we give awards to for maintaining. [Track 11] And Thad’s house came up and we went down to take a look at the house, and I looked at it and I said, “Oh, those fixtures, you got those from Barbara Howell.” And Thad says, “You’re the culprit that told her what they were worth.” [Laughing] But I get involved in a lot of stuff like that. I don’t know. But anyhow, I was afraid they were going to try to do away with Hardware Ranch, maybe sell it or something. And so I’ve encouraged Dan to do everything he can, you know. He’s doing a lot of new things up there now. And I know this one time, the first year they had the festival later. They had an all day, oh, kits that they got from Lowe’s and the Home Depot to make bird houses and things. And I stacked up a whole bunch of bird seed. And the kids would put those together up there for something to do, you know. And they began to draw a pretty good crowd up there to that. And I loved driving up. But that’s another canyon where it’s all privately owned up there now. Yeah, when I came here you could walk anywhere you wanted to you know. It was privately owned then, but people didn’t, there was just one place up there, the Adams Homestead. DE: The Adams Homestead? TK: Uh huh. It’s still there too. In fact, it’s still in the Adams family. He was the principal here at the high school. And they homesteaded up there, and I think this is the third generation now, has it up there. The house is still there and all. But it’s a, I don’t know, it’s a—when I used to come over the summit up here and look down I could tell every little town because there was just a block or two of lights. Now the whole valley’s lit up. Everything, you know, just… You know I gave, this is off the subject, but, I gave . . . after my wife passed away I was going through things she had. And I had two years of newspapers bound like they used in the newspaper office. And I thought they ought to be over where somebody could use them, because the age of them and all. And I took them over to Ann Butters and gave them to her. DE: Who’s Ann Butters? [USU Special Collections’ Western and Mormon Americana Curator] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  15   �TK: She was over Special Collections. DE: Okay. TK: At that time. Anyhow, she was amazed because they were from, there was a Boston Record it was 1818 and 1819. And it was still very legible. No deterioration on them. But they had all the stuff in there about slave ships coming in, and missionaries going off from a hundred different churches. Everybody was sparked with religion then. But then I don’t know, just other things I gave them. I had, let’s see, Campbell. Yeah, Thomas Campbell and his wife they were the first Presbyterian ministers up at Mendon. And it’s their wedding pictures, oh, that high and that wide, you know. It was left here when they left. I don’t know if they left in a hurry or what. And this house next door to me, it used to be the Methodist Church here. DE: And now it’s a home. TK: Yep. I’m getting off the canyon for you. DE: I noticed when I was walking up to your house. You have a lovely house here. You’ve got this great old wood burning stove behind you that we talked about earlier. TK: Yeah. That came out of Park Valley [Utah, in Box Elder County]. DE: Oh did it? Out of Park Valley? TK: Uh hum. DE: It’s a beautiful old wood burning stove. TK: It’s usable. I keep that wood out there. When I’m sitting here in the evenings, I put a stick or two of wood in there and light it. And then it’s a [Track 12] different warmth and that. And then the kids, I have two grandchildren who live across the street. They’re 19 and 22. They like to go camping, so they come over and swipe a few to take with them for fires when they’re up camping. DE: Well, I guess probably one of my last questions for you with talking about, you know, you have this very strong connection with Logan Canyon, with the outdoors and in working with the writer’s project, and, you know, you had some great experiences with that. Was there any piece of literature, any piece of writing that really affected your connection to the land? TK: A writing of it? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  16   �DE: TK: Uh hum. Well… Well, like Old Ephraim. That story lives on and on. I can tell you a story about that too. Scott Bushman, one of the Rangers… DE: Uh hum, Forest Rangers TK: Forest Rangers. He wanted to fix up for the centennial an exhibit there in the rangers shop. And he wanted to get use of the Old Ephraim’s skull that they had at the University [in Special Collections, on permanent loan from the Smithsonian]. DE: Uh huh. TK: This is bad. I told, I said, “Well, I’ll tell you what,” I said. “That really belongs to the Smithsonian. But, I said, they let the University use it here. And I said you call, I had the Director of Government Affairs for the Smithsonian, she’s a friend of mine.” I told him, call her. And I said, “She’d give you permission.” He called her and she said, “Old Ephraim’s skull. We’ve been trying to find out where it’s at.” [Laughing] Anyhow, he told her who told her to call. And so she gave him permission to use it. But that was funny you know that they were upset that they didn’t know where it was. But that’s records I guess. DE: Now what’s the story behind the Old Ephraim. [For information on Old Ephraim go to USU Special Collections digital collection at http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/landingpage/collection/Ephraim] TK: Well, supposedly, this fellow was almost attacked, and he’d been watching for him because he knew he was big. And he came in as a sheep herder type. And I don’t know they give that lecture here all the time. They love to give that to scout troops and all, you know, the ones that read it. But he was buried and was over nine feet tall, on it. But, I don’t know, it gets overused maybe. But I think of Yellowstone. I don’t like Yellowstone anymore, because, when I used to go up there, you could stop, the bears never bothered you. They’d come right up and you’d give them something, you know. I was more concerned about moose those days than I was the bears; because the bears were smart. They could get a handout. But now there’s more foreign people up there than there are United States citizens. And, besides its speed [limits] changed, widened the highways. And now around Old Faithful, you used to set up fairly close and now it’s all gravel; a great big area that’s graveled. DE: Well, are there any last stories that come to mind that you’d like to share? TK: Well, I got lots of stories, but they’re not all about the canyon. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  17   �DE: [Laughing] Well, we’ll narrow it down to any last stories about the canyon. TK: Yep. I don’t know. When they, when this American Heritage group were meeting out at the farm out here for a long time. And I was involved in that. But then they got to the point where, well, in four months I’ll be 90 years old. That’s getting pretty awkward you know, to try to keep up with the younger people in this stuff. And I drive, but I don’t like to drive at night. I’m just apprehensive. I don’t want to cause an accident. But I was involved out there and I loved it. In fact I was [Track 13] involved with the whole thing out there when it first started. I helped to get it going. I used to furnish stuff for the June wedding; things that you never see around there anymore. You know what bone dishes are? DE: Bone dishes? Uh uh. TK: Well there like a, they’re shaped, there’s some over there in that thing. But, they sit beside your plate. And when you ate chicken you put the bones over there. DE: So it’s kind of like almost banana shaped dish that you would put the bones in. TK: Yeah. Well those and butter pads and knife rests. Two knobs with a thing. They had a plate so the knife wouldn’t get on the tablecloth. Stuff like salt cellars with little dips, for salt shakers and things like that. I’d take them out there and special types of linens and things clear back then. But it’s getting to where it’s just too much effort to do it anymore. I have Indian things though. I was telling you Holy Eagle used to come here. DE: And what was Holy Eagle again? TK: James Holy Eagle. He’d spend a full summer and he’d have his mail sent here. And he’d go up to the post office every afternoon to get the mail. The kids would go with him. Everybody in town knew him, him being here all summer. But they’d stop at the, had a drug store up there then, on the way back and get a candy bar or ice cream or something for each one of them. Well this one day it was raining, the kids said it’s time to go get the mail. And he said, No we’ll wait till 2:00 and it will quit raining. Well, 2:00 came and it quit raining. So he went and got the mail and came back and it started raining again. Well, they figured Holy Eagle could do anything, anything at all. [Laughing] But I don’t know, he went to school here one fall to the high school. And, well, it was up at Sky View, before Mountain Crest was here. And they had him on the stage for all the whole school and audience there in the auditorium. And he kept going on and on and we had Indian kids in front of him and his big arms stretch out and emphasizing everything. And it was so quiet in there and finally he was going way past time. And I asked the principal, I said, you want me to stop him? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  18   �And he said, No, not on your life. He said, they’ve never been a piece where it’s been this quiet. Let him keep right on. DE: Now do you remember was he Shoshone? TK: No, he was Sioux. DE: Sioux. TK: Hunkpapa-Minneconjou, a mixture. But he was a grandson of Sitting Bull. DE: Of Sitting Bull? TK: Yeah, very interesting. But I don’t know my daughter that passed away [Jennifer Treibe]. She has an oil painting of him upstairs that she did. But I got lots of pictures of him. He was mistaken a lot of times for the fellows in the movies. Has long hair, white hair, chief. I had him down to the airport one time and this fellow facing the other side from us. I told Jim, I said, you better smile a little bit that fellow’s going to take your picture. He was getting the camera way down there. He was just gonna see it. After he took it I asked him, I said, “You wanna know who he is?” He said, “Well, is he the one that’s in the movies?” And I said, “Nope. It looks like him, but it’s not him.” But he was, he was in World War I and he went to Parallel school in Pennsylvania when they sent the Indians out for, but he was a wonderful person. [Disk 2, Track 1] DE: Well, thank you very much. TK: Say what? DE: I said thank you very much. You’ve done a great job as a historian. Sounds like you’ve done a lot of great work and lived a very wonderful, interesting life. TK: Well, I love this stuff. You know doing this. And, I don’t know, there’s times they talk about maybe I ought to be in assisted living. And I said, No, I’m going to die here, because everything that I love is right here. DE: You’ve got it all set up in the kitchen here. TK: Yep. And I’ve, I was in the throes of passing this stuff on to my daughter; because she was my sidekick for this history and stuff. And we discovered she had liver cancer. And so some of it’s over at her place and I’ve got boxes of stuff that I was giving her. And I’m not sure what I’m going to do now with it. There was a fellow here a while ago, Ray Anderson. He lives down at, just out of Cedar City. And he grew up here in town. And typical, there was a big family. There were 13 Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  19   �children and they were poor. And they were kind of pushed around. But now he’s writing stories about the town. And he comes to me for information. But there are things, I don’t know if you want, if you’re interested in things that you won’t find in a history book. DE: Oh sure. TK: Well, Hyrum had a dairy up at Hardware Ranch, in that area. In the early days it was called United Order dairy: For butter, cheese and stuff. Well, I often challenge people when they tell me Peter Maughan was the first settler here. DE: Peter Maughan? TK: Yeah. I say that’s not true. The first one here was Thomas Garr, when he drove cattle up from Antelope Island: [LDS] Church cattle and their cattle into the valley. And over in Millville they built the, there were three different ones. Each one built a cabin over there. The other two left and went back, but he didn’t. He stayed. And he never married, but he had an affair with a Shoshone. They call her Susie. Now whether that’s the right one or not, nobody knows. Anyhow she had a baby. And she left it with him. And he was known as Jack Garr: Indian Garr. And he found out the church hadn’t filed on the land that the dairy was on. So he went over and filed on it and made them move it. And that’s not in the history books. They had to move it. And that became what is Anderson Ranch today, was established by him. That’s where the church… DE: So Anderson Ranch was established by Garr. TK: Yeah. By Jack Garr DE: Jack Garr TK: And Jack would come in to Hyrum, he’d drive his wagon and horses in, you know. And he’d proceed to get kind of drunk. And on the way back one time he went to sleep and the horses got off to the side of the road and it turned over and it killed him. And so there was a big lawsuit. There’s a schism in the Garr family over this, that don’t believe that really Garr, you know Indian Garr. And the ones that are. But Jack Garr’s grandson lives over in Millville and he’s an old fellow. He’s well educated. His name is Jensen. Monroe Jensen. Nice old fellow. I go over and visit with him every once in a while. But I’ve got the whole history of the Garrs and the lawsuit and everything on it. But to me it’s interesting that its history but they don’t want to document it: unwritten history. So, and there’s a lot of that. There’s another one here, the reason I got interested when I retired was [Track 2] I found photographs done by Hugo Peterson. And he was born with one arm off at the elbow. But he was an artist and a, well, did everything. Photographer. And anyhow, I was looking for pictures that he had Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  20   �done: photos. And I got quite a few of them I found. I knew where he was born over here, where he grew up. I called a fellow that lives in his house. And it was a log house but it’s had additions to it and covered with sheeting now. Anyhow, I asked who he bought the house from and he told me. He said, this fellow. And I said, “Do you know how to get a hold of him? Oh, he’s an old man and he’s dead. Well, I didn’t take that. Went to the Salt Lake phone book and I found this Frank Boyd down there and I called him. And that was him. And he was a grandson of Hugo Peterson. And he came up here. And I had a lot of information. In fact I had their grandparents’ photos: big ones. And I just recently gave them to his sister so they’d be in the family. But I don’t know; we became very good friends over this. And I get a lot of data from them on it. But it’s just things I’ve done. In fact I can tell you the story of how I got the data on them. I had a fellow, there was a Grover Christensen here in town. And I knew he had died and he had no children. He had adopted a boy, the boy died before he did. And his wife had died. And he married a May Nielson. And when May died, I wanted to find out what she did with his documents and things. And they told me she gave them to a woman across the street, a Mrs. Huron. So I went over to Mrs. Huron and asked her if she had them and she said, “I have.” And she gave them to me. But she said, “I wasn’t a relative. So I gave them to Mrs. Croshaw over in Brigham, a cousin.” So I knew Mrs. Croshaw; So I went over to see her. And I said, “Do you have those?” “Oh yes,” she says, “I’ve got all that stuff.” I said “Could I borrow some to reproduce some of it.” And she goes and gets two great big cardboard boxes and these two big pictures. And I said, “How much of that can I borrow?” She said, “You can have the whole damn thing.” She said, “I didn’t like him.” [Laughing] I waited for her to say something else. She said, “He’d come over here and we had fruit farms.” Said, “He’d get cherries, he’d get apricots, he’d get peaches.” And she said, “He’d never pay for them.” She said, he’d look me in the eye and he’d say, “If you think you’re getting any of my money when I die, you better think again.” And they were cousins. But anyhow, here I have all that data, you know. And there’s a lot of stuff I’ve never published, you know, on it. Because I’m telling things that maybe… DE: Is there any of the kind of unwritten history stuff about Logan Canyon that you feel comfortable talking about? TK: Well, I don’t know whether there is or not. This fellow that just wrote the recent book from National… well, teacher [referring to Michael Sweeney and his book on Logan Canyon that was published by National Geographic: Last Unspoiled Place: Exploring Utah's Logan Canyon.] DE: The journalism professor. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  21   �TK: Yep. He was going to come over and talk to me about St. Anne’s. But then I think he decided there was too much controversy over it. And he didn’t want to get that in his book. But I have his book here. But I don’t know. I don’t know. Are you LDS? DE: Uh, yeah. TK: Well, I’m Catholic. But I have to tell you. I told you I got the Caine Award for that. But also they’re going to tear down the old stake house; it’s on the corner here. It’s abandoned now. And a lot of people came to me about what could I do about that. I said, “Nothing.” But I did do something. They were gonna tear it down, [Track 3] but I took the initiative to call the Director of Temporal Affairs in Salt Lake and asked if they would consider donating land to Hyrum for a little children’s amusement park. And I think they’re going to do it. So it’s a two level park. And it would just be ideal to get trees in there and have it; it’s not big enough for too many things. But we don’t have any parks on the west side of town. And so I called the Stake President and the Bishop and told them. They were amazed that I talked to that level. I think they were afraid to. But I figure if you talk to the head honcho. Just say, when we had foreign students, Dr. Chase was president of the University then. I called him one day and I said, “Dr. Chase, Eduardo Zapata, they’re not going to let him register for next year.” And I said, “I don’t know why. I think you ought to know that his family in Venezuela are the head of the Christian Democratic Party. And that could get serious, not letting a son register here.” Oh, he said, “I can overrule the board on that.” So anyway I called him back later. And he says, “Well, I found out, he flunked everything except one, you see, and he’s got an A in that.” And then I says, “Well what was that?” And he said, “Soccer.” And I said, “Let him go home then. Tell him to reregister as a tourist to come in and get things started again.” And Eduardo went home and he called me from there. He was upset, he couldn’t get back in. [Chuckling] But there’s so many. We had some high ranking people here for things. I don’t know if you want to know. Maybe I shouldn’t tell those things. The University and Venezuela were going to establish an irrigation college in Caracas. And we were so heavily involved with foreign students from all over there that they asked if we would work with Dr. Grant Reese and his wife for a reception for the ones coming in. And I said, “yeah, that would be great,” you know, so we were making all the arrangements and some of them arrived on Sunday and they called up here about how did they get to Logan. And I said, “Just cool your heels. You’re not supposed to be here until Monday.” Terrible, you know. They were Ambassadors from the OAS. Well, they get here and they put them up in the Metro Motel, it’s just the motel, the old one there on, up by Frederico’s is it. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  22   �DE: Okay. So kind of right as you’re heading out towards the canyon. TK: Yeah. DE: The hotel there. TK: Well, anyhow. They put them up there and they’re calling for room service. They said, “We don’t have room service.” They wanted drinks, you know. And the next thing, they go to the meeting and it’s in, we call it United Nations Room. It’s got a horseshoe shaped table they all sat around. One of them was smoking a cigar, and so he had to put it out. Another one wanted to know if they had coffee. I said, “We don’t have coffee here.” Finally one of them gets up he says, “I thought this was a joint venture thing.” He said, “I’m not staying here, if it’s one sided I’m going home.” And oh, he broke the meeting up. Well they told, called Grant in and told him, they said, “Don’t get involved in that reception, leave it alone.” So I said “Well, we’ll have it anyhow.” And I called these Latin students and I said, “We’re gonna have two bowls of punch.” I said, “Bring whatever you’ve got.” Because they’d have rum and everything you know. And I said “We’ll have sin and some: some with and some without it.” And then Sunday, what do you get them? Pizza. No place open. So I order a whole bunch of pizzas there. We had tables set up nice. But they had interpreters from Washington [Track 4] here. And one of them came up to me and said, “Does the University always do things like this? Oh no! I said, “This is very, very unusual.”[Laughing] So anyhow they got straightened out and they went ahead with it and got it going. And it turned out they put Hermano Scotegi [?] (he was from Caracas; just got a doctorate degree at the University), and he was the first president of the college down there – Joint Venture College. But I don’t know. It’s always been interesting living here. DE: Very interesting. Well, this has been Darren Edwards interviewing Ted Kindred. Here in his home in Hyrum, Utah. Thank you again for your time. The date is August 13, 2008. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted Kindred Page  23   � Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Where else is this found? 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Logan Canyon Reflections https://highway89.org/files/original/1ea510c15a238ccf9fa7358fcb64fc32.mp3 f78c986a0fdab62b3571ef694644db75 https://highway89.org/files/original/cdd79f69f24af51026686026396d0e40.pdf a76a08d31a66f0f33e03b8cae68995c3 PDF Text Text LAND USE MANAGEMENT TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET Interviewee: Ted Seeholzer Place of Interview: Date of Interview: Beaver Mountain Ski Area Office, Logan, Utah November 19, 2008 Interviewer: Recordist: Brad Cole and Clint Pumphrey Brad Cole Recording Equipment: Marantz PMD660 Digital Recorder Transcription Equipment used: Transcribed by: Transcript Proofed by: Power Player Transcription Software: Executive Communication Systems Susan Gross Randy Williams (2 March 2009 & July 2011) Brief Description of Contents: Ted Seeholzer is the owner of the Beaver Mountain ski area in Logan Canyon. He speaks about the history of Beaver Mountain (which has been owned by his family since its inception), and his varying roles with the ski resort – beginning in childhood. He also talks about interactions and his relationship with the Forest Service and Utah School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA) over the years. Reference: BC = Brad Cole (Interviewer; Associate Dean, USU Libraries) CH = Clint Pumphrey (Interviewer; USU history graduate student) TS = Ted Seeholzer NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcribed. All additions to transcript are noted with brackets. TAPE TRANSCRIPTION [Tape 1 of 1: A] BC: Hi. This is Brad Cole from Special Collections and Archives at Utah State University. Today is November 19 [2008]. And we’re in Logan, Utah visiting with Ted Seeholzer at the Beaver Mountain Office – Beaver Mountain Ski Area Office. And also accompanying me today is Clint Pumphrey, a [graduate] student at Utah State University. Ted I always like to begin my interviews from the very beginning, [so] if you could tell us when and where you born? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  1   �TS: I was born in Logan, Utah – 1932; January 29, 1932. Seventy-six years ago. BC: And who were your parents? TS: Harold and Luella Seeholzer. They were both – my mom was born in Wellsville; my dad in Logan. BC: And had they lived in the valley for quite some time? TS: All their life. Dad served no military time. And the furthest dad got away from Logan; he went to New Zealand to help on the temple over there. BC: And your mother was from Wellsville you said. TS: Wellsville, yep. And her dad actually started the service station business in Cache Valley. You can see the old – there used to be a service station between 1st and 2nd North, on the east side of the road kind of where the Royal Bakery is there. BC: Um-hmm. TS: He started a service station there. One hundred years ago or more. I don’t have the pictures handy here, but we do of course have them of that. So he was instrumental. He also meddled in the horticulture business with Utah State many years ago. So our family’s been active, not just the kids. BC: Um-hmm. So did you have a greenhouse then? TS: He had a cellar. That’s all they had was a cellar over there. They’d plant the trees, of course harvest the apples and store them in there. At one time there was lots of orchards in Wellsville; lots of orchards in Wellsville. I remember as a young person going over there – the orchards. And he also had a cellar – it was a (what do you call them when they have) a co-op type thing. And then he also had his own cellar that he would use for his apples; and then he raised chickens at the same time. And I can still remember as a young man and watching them count all the eggs and this, that and the other. He was a very energetic old chap. You know, he was a “Svede” – Swede. [Laughing] And Grandma was a Dane. And they had their coffee every morning with their lumps of sugar. I can still remember that. You know, maybe I’m getting off the subject here, I don’t know. BC: That’s fine. So what were their names? TS: They were Brobie. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  2   �BC: Brobie. TS: Don’t ask me Grandma Brobie’s name before she was married, I don’t know that. I don’t recall that. Did you got to school at Logan High? BC: No, I’m actually from Pocatello. TS: From “Pocaroostie”? BC: Yeah. TS: Can I give you a little more history there. My granddad’s brother had a cobble, shoemaker, right across Logan High there on the corner – 100 years ago back in the ‘50s, the old fellar did. You know, my family’s got quite a history here in the valley. BC: Sounds like it. TS: Yeah, yeah; a lot of history. BC: So what were some of your memories of growing up in Logan in the 1930s I guess? TS: Yeah. I know that my dad’s a plather by trade, okay. He’d put lath on it for you, plaster. Of course during the Depression they did anything they could. He talks about working with the Forest Service on the PWA [Public Works Administration agency of New Deal] type stuff: going and roofing buildings, or whatever they could do to make a dollar. Dad also trapped. His dad was a game warden at that time: muskrats and beaver, that’s where some of the income was. I was born on West 3rd South and at that time Dad raised foxes and mink for market. Shortly after that the Russians came in with all of their furs and of course the mink markets went to the deuce [devil]. Dad was forced to sell and then continue with his lathing. He still trapped rats; we still have some of the traps they used. And like I say, his dad was a Fish and Game man. I remember stories about Old Ephraim. Dad and his brothers chased Old Ephraim; the same as the Crookston stories that you’ve heard. And I can’t remember the gentleman’s name that finally ended up catching Old Ephraim. [Frank Clark; see USU’s digital collection of Old Ephraim materials online.] I know that our family lived on game: deer and elk and fish and ducks and pheasant; [these] were extremely important to our meals. Dad used to illegally hunt ducks for market. Dad was a pool player I guess. Down at the old Dee Woodall Pool Hall he’d bring those ducks in there and throw them in the corner; you could take two for a dollar, put the money on the counter. That’s what Dad bought shells with and whatever else he needed. But I do remember that as a young person. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  3   �But I also remember the old automobiles and our trips to the canyon. [Getting choked up] This canyon is pretty important (excuse the tears), but it’s been alive forever. I started helping my folks [inaudible] when I was six years old and we’re still here. We are the longest family owned ski area in America. I’m proud of that; pretty proud of that. Anyway, I’ll try and collect myself here. But it’s touching. And you’ll find that the more you dig the more it means to me. So anyway, that’s what I recall. We did move from there on South Main, Logan River was right in our backyard. We could fish anytime when the stream was open. And we always hunted ducks and pheasants and those types of things. Dad got involved in the ski area in 1936 when it was at the Beaver – and then it went from there up to the Sinks. Now, if you know where the Sinks are, [they are] about a mile and a half above the state sheds up on the summit. It was there from, oh, we finally came back to the Beaver in 1947 when money was appropriated for the road through the county and the Forest Service and the state. Then the Forest Service was very instrumental in bringing the water to the area. It was in ’39 that my dad and another gentleman took over the ski area and made it go [and we’ve] been there ever since. BC: Who was the other gentleman? TS: Don Shupe. BC: Don Shupe. TS: Don Schupe was an auto body man. Shupe Auto body – it’s now (it’s no longer Shupe) – shoot on the corner of 10th North and Main. BC: Oh, is that Miller’s? TS: Millers! Don Shupe was a first cousin to Charlie Miller, or brother-in-law or whatever the situation was. And Don was there a couple of years and his back gave out on him and so he had to bow out of the picture. Jane Johnson, who was married to Max Johnson (LeGrand Johnson’s son) – it was her dad. (I mean just to give you a little relationship to people that are still alive.) And we see Jane once in a while and we kind of kid about it a little bit – what might have been, you know. So anyway, that’s the story. And I don’t know how far you want to go along with this. We came back in 1947; we put a rope-tow in. And then in 1948 we put in a T-bar. There’s a big picture around here somewhere of it. Put in the T-bar and that run there for a lot of years. That was kind of a make-shift – there was chairlifts in those days, but money wasn’t available for us to do that. There wasn’t enough skiing public, lots of things you can say why it wasn’t necessary. The size of Cache Valley wasn’t – the population that skied was very small (and it’s still not very big in relationship for a major business). Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  4   �CP: So who were most of other people who came to Beaver Mountain? Were they from the Valley? TS: That started it? CP: Just to ski there? TS: Yeah. And it still is. We probably have less than – unless you want to call it college student as a vacation skier or a transient or whatever word you want to use – then we have about 1 to 1.5% of our people are out of state or transient skiers or vacation skiers or whatever word you would attach to it. And we don’t see many of those. We’re seeing more because of developments at Bear Lake. Wasatch Front is where a good share of them come from. But we do have people who have timeshares and once they have come and skied here we seem to get them back. The problem with that is the duration of the sport that you do, that you’re real active in it: three years, five years, ten years? How long did you play tennis? How long did you play golf? How long did you play badminton? See, so this interest span, you have to have new all the time to replace the guy that’s dropping out. That’s a pretty big deal actually in our sport. You had a question? CP: Yeah. Just to go back to when you first started working at the ski resort – what kind of responsibilities did you have then? TS: Up at the Sinks – now I’m five, six, seven years old; I was born in ’32, so ’39 is what? [I’d be seven?] BC: Yeah. TS: Dad built a building there out of weedy-edge siding. I don’t know if you know what that is or not – that’s the edges when you cut timber, you don’t cut the bark off? Okay, that’s weedy-edge. Dad built a small building down there – I think 12 by 14 or 12 by 12 – I can’t recall. And Mother – that building was to serve as a warming hut and food service. Now I forgot the question you asked me. CP: What did you do? What were you responsible for? TS: Oh, what did I did do? Okay, alright. Our function as kids of course was to, of course we weren’t running lifts in them days, but we would bring the food service from up on the road, down to that building for Mother – the foods were all fixed at home: the chilies, the barbecues, that stuff was all fixed at home. And we’d carry it, all in boxes. Dad pulled a trailer behind the car (brown ’39 Chevrolet), I can remember just like it was yesterday. And then we would take that stuff down there and then we would bring it back. Sure, we had a little snow to shovel, but you know, six-seven year old, you don’t get a whole bunch out of them other than lip service. Then as we got older, 12 year old, 13 year old, Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  5   �we were running – I was running a lift then. Today they would put you in jail if you did that. BC: Now up at the Sinks, there weren’t any lifts then? TS: We had this cable (we called it a rope tow); it was like a rope-tow except it was a 9/16” cable. And we had some hooks (I don’t have one here) that you would hook on the cable, wrap it around you and it would pull you up the mountain. Now, how did you keep that cable from burying you in the snow? Well on the highest spots we’d go cut an aspen, lay it on the high spots and the cable would run on that. Of course, then we only skied Saturday and Sunday, and there was a heck of lot more snow fell then than there is today, I’m here to tell you. Talk about global warming, talk about whatever you want: we don’t have the snow today we used to have. So it was always a big deal then to dig out of our buildings, we left shovels outside – couldn’t get into them if we didn’t have a shovel! So then those were the type things that Norm Mecham and I (Norm, he lives in Arizona or somewhere now). But that was our responsibility to go up and dig it out. My brother worked when he was older – he was almost eight years older than I am – so he had more responsibilities. Then he went away to school and blaty, blaty, blah. But he went in the military is where he went. ’42 he went and Uncle Sam joined him up. And then in 1947 we came back here [Beaver Mountain]. But in those days ski crowds were different than they are today. Utah State used to have a big winter carnival deal up there. And when you go up there if you look on your left-hand side going up – it’s pretty steep mountain there – and they used to build huge snow sculptures. I don’t mean these snowmen kids make out in their backyards; I mean 12, 15, 18 foot high snow sculptures of like the pyramid stuff is what they would build; or horse and buggy-type thing. Literally shape them. It was a big deal. Somewhere I have those pictures. I don’t have them now. BC: And that would have been in the 1940s? TS: That would have been in the ‘40s, yep. But see to prior to that Utah State held their winter carnivals down at the old CC Camp [CCC: Civil Conservation Corps], right there on that hill. Yeah. And Logan High used to hold a winter carnival down there also. BC: And the CC Camp, that was at the Sinks area? TS: No, The CC Camp is – do you know where the road to go to Tony Grove is? BC: Um-hmm. TS: Okay. Right across the street from that, they call it USU Training Center now. BC: Right. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  6   �TS: But that’s the old CC Camp. And of course that come out of the Depression, like the PWA did. And Utah State held their winter carnival – because it wasn’t until 1939 that the road to Logan Canyon was open to Bear Lake; ’39 it opened to go to Bear Lake and that’s what permitted us to move the ski area from down where it was, up to the Sinks. Because we had to walk in; we parked down on the highway down there and walked into the ski area. BC: At Beaver? TS: At Beaver, yeah. We didn’t go around the road – we cut through, you know; walked across the creek and walked through the draw I’m telling you where the rock deal was? That’s the canyon we went up. Now I’m jumping all over, but my feeble mind doesn’t always work in a straight [line]! CP: Yeah, well since you mentioned the road, maybe we could talk about that a little bit. In the early days – in the ‘40s when you first started having a big role in managing the ski resort – what was it like getting up to the ski resort through the canyon from Logan? TS: In most cases the road was plowed like it is now. Of course, let’s be honest – the plow trucks then probably went 20 miles an hour; today they’ll go 40-plus, or 30-plus, whatever the turns will permit them to. The roads were in good shape, but what would happen was the road would narrow and narrow and narrow because they didn’t have the quality equipment to blow that snow off the side 100 yards or 100 feet or whatever. And they did not use graders (patrollers with the wing on them) where they could come along and slice the top of that off so the next time the truck come it could blow it over the bank. And I’ll guarantee you they’ve made strides in building roads to help winter. Because you never build a road lower than the sub-grade out the side. Because when the wind blows, all the snow goes on the road. So you elevate the road so the snow blows crossed it. And they have done that in several places in the canyon. But the road equipment today is far superior. You have better tires on your automobile; you also have more four-wheel drives. So driving today is much easier than it was then. But in conversation with a lot of ladies that drive, it’s a terrible road! It’s unsafe! It ought to be closed! My goodness lady! [Laughing] CP: So what was the condition of the actual road in the ‘40s when you first started working? Was it paved all the way? TS: It was paved all the way – it was paved to Garden City. But it was much, much narrower. Over the years they have been able to widen the road in various places. Environmental restraints stop the road, like in the Forks, on up through there – environmental restraints have inhibited the width of that: right, wrong or indifferent it depends on which side of the fence you’re on. My complaint about the narrow road is that one tree blown across the road can stop traffic and I’m saying, “Wait a minute. Is this modern times or is this horse and buggy stuff?” And that’s one little complaint I have about some of the Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  7   �restrictions. I am very environmental. But I’m also on the safe side for you and I to travel the roads. BC: Yeah. TS: That’s where I’m coming from on that. We could do things to ruin that ski area, but we won’t do it; we won’t do it. Because once we take all the trees, once we push all the brush off and those things, now we’ve ruined the aesthetics and you’re probably not going to come up there. At least that’s our thinking; now maybe our thinking isn’t good. But that is our thinking on it. We’re in need of some more parking lot but we don’t have any place to go other than start cutting down trees. We’re not very enthusiastic about that. We’re in conversation with the state to use some of the flatland down below and they’re not very enthusiastic about that! Because of aesthetics. So what do you do? You say okay, we’ve only got parking for 800 cars and when anybody else comes, we send you home? Is that what you do? I guess it is. When the restaurant is full you sit down and wait until somebody leaves, don’t you? BC: Yeah, that’s true. TS: And that’s the only answer I have right now because my wife is part of this; one daughter and one son and their significant others. And I think they feel like I do, that we’re not willing to cut down trees to make a place for you to park: right, wrong or indifferent. So anyway, I keep getting off the subject. CP: That’s fine. I just wanted to ask you I guess during the 1960s they started to widen some of the road down here closer to Logan; and then during the ‘70s and ‘80s it was kind of in a gridlock because you know, they had to do the environmental assessment on the rest of the road to see if they could widen it further or straighten it further. And there was a lot of discussion I guess, in the valley and elsewhere, about how they should go about doing that. And there were some people I guess who were very, very much for the straightening and widening so they could get back and forth to the ski area, to Bear Lake – TS: Well not just ski area, but Bear Lake, but consider one other thing; think about one other thing besides you and I to ski and to camp and that. This guy that lives in Bear Lake – he doesn’t have access to a quality hospital. He has access to an ambulance, he has access to an ambulance – but he is 40 miles away if he lives in Garden City, from a quality hospital. Now do we deprive him of that privilege? CP: Right. TS: He’s got a hospital in Montpelier that’s like this one down here was 10 years ago. See. So there’s more to it than just a place for you and I to drive; there’s other people to think about to in the use of that – CP: So when all that debate was going on, did the people at the ski resort at all get involved with the discussion with the – Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  8   �TS: I sit on the board on Logan Canyon to decide – not decide – put input into the decision to do what we do with the highway. We are restricted extremely by the Corps of Engineers. The Corps of Engineers will decide what you’re going to do. Let me give you one example of what our group did just on the last section from the dug way – from the twin bridges – up. Okay originally there was a design on that big cut right at the top of the twin bridges, to take and cut that side off and go out around the side where all the timber is. We sat there and looked at that and said, “What kind of a fool’s trick is that? Why don’t we go this way, move the bridge downstream, we’ve got a barren hole here that we could lay the sides back, whatever degree you want. We’re going to cut down a few trees, very few, and you pull the road out of the shade and you put it up here on the hill and you don’t cut down all this old forest.” Well imagine that! Somebody else can think just a little bit too! So it’s just things like that, that they have people like me on the board because we all have tunnel vision occasionally. BC: And that board – you called the Logan Canyon Board? TS: I’ll think of the name of it in a minute. There’s ten people sit on it. And you know what? I’m the only one that doesn’t have my hand in the county or state’s pocket. I’m the only person that doesn’t draw a paycheck from a government agency. BC: So that was a sort of inner-governmental board? TS: Yeah, it’s still there. It’s still in effect. I would be getting called in – they’re getting close to doing a piece from the Beaver on up over to the Summit. My mind is getting weaker, but I’ll think of the name of that board in a minute. There’s ten of us on there but I’m the only one that doesn’t belong to a government agency. BC: So how do you feel with all the input and push and take – how do you feel like the road project came out? TS: I think it was good. See, had you been here 30 years ago that road from the head of the dugway was going to have cut right across the mountains and come in at Ricks Spring. It would have crossed the river twice. See the thinking on roads has changed so much in the last 50 years or 40 years. Years ago it was a straight line was the shortest route and the best route. Well, in some cases yes, but many cases, no. That would have been a hell of a mess if we’d have cut through and built a bridge across the road there and then cut that mountain and crossed the river again to come in at Rick’s Spring. And see you’d have the same thing at Hattie’s Grove. Instead of going around the bend and up – cut a chunk on the upper end of Hattie’s Grove off and Bear Hole, then up to the cattle guard. To me that wasn’t an appropriate route in those days – or even today even. So by getting more people together and talking about it – and you’re always going to have conflicts. No, I think they’ve done a good job on the road. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  9   �Mr. Weston who used to sit on the State’s – he used to sit on the UDOT Board [Utah Department of Transportation] (he used to be the president – they have a committee just like everybody else, the state does). He thought, “Well,” he said, “We’re going to get this middle section of the road done. We’re going to get that done eventually.” He says, “Now what we have is an hourglass. We’ve got good road on this end. We’ve got good road on this end, and we shrink down in the middle.” He thought that the public would demand that they do something through there. Well guess what? It won’t be in my lifetime. It won’t be in my lifetime that that will happen. And there’s not much in my mind that they can do there. Where do you go? You’ve got [a] steep mountain here and you’ve got river there. Where are you going? Are you going to put an overhand over the river and let them drive out there? [Laughing] You going to put up on the mountain 100 yards to get 10 more feet of road? I don’t think so. The only thing that I can see that gets obnoxious is that they elevate the road, raise the road up itself and leave the mountains. That ain’t gonna happen either. See, that’s what they were going to do in Little Cottonwood Canyon because of avalanches. BC: Hmm. They were going to elevate it? TS: No. What they were going to do is they were going to build a wall here and build a bridge over the road – just the opposite – and let the avalanches go over the road. Oh yeah! There was a big study on that. Because it’s big dollars! Huge dollars! And believe me, money talks! If you don’t think so, look at the last election. [Laughing] Let’s not get into that one. But anyway, you know we’ve done a lot of things at the resort and a lot of changes take place. Roads are important; I’ve been screaming for seven or eight years now that they get our entrance to the Beaver changed. And I finally got it this summer. Because see, what was happening there when you came out of the Beaver you would start a right hand turn – here comes the highway and you couldn’t see back up the road to see if anybody was coming because the snow was piled too high. And let’s be honest – the State can’t be responsible for every little piece of snow that you and I can’t see over; they just can’t do it. And so by making it come straight out at the road, now you and I can see up and down the road. Built a passing lane. Good. We haven’t had many accidents – to my knowledge we’ve never had a real serious accident there; we’ve never had a death. So maybe it wasn’t all that important. I’ve been cussed by a couple of people because it is a little inconvenient to turn and then have to get down, whereas the other way they’d be on the turn. But that’s okay, they’ll get over it. I think it’s a good thing. So yes. BC: So after you moved back down to Beaver when did the first major lifts come in? You said you had a rope tow and T-bar? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  10   �TS: We had a rope-tow and then we put the T-bar in. Put the T-bar in ’48. BC: Um-hmm. And how far did the T-bar go up the mountain? TS: Okay. The T-bar went up about 1800-1900 feet. That was in ’47-’48. Then in 1960 we put the first chair lift in. That would be the Face Lift. It’s still there and it’s still in the same place. It hasn’t been remodeled; it does have a new drive; it does have new bull wheels top and bottom. Still use the same chairs, new rope; same terminals. So it’s basically the same place. The ticket office that’s there now was built in ’47. One of these days we’re going to find enough money to get it out of there. And in 1964 we put the Little Beaver Lift in. And the same year we put that in we built the Lodge. Now the Lodge has only been remodeled six times since we originally built it. And we’ve got a big addition going on it right now. And then in 1967 we put the T-bar in – which neither one of you I think has seen run. It was one of them good ideas that didn’t work. [Laughs] And then in 1969-70 we put the Dream Lift in. And then six years ago, whatever that was, we put Marge’s Triple in. Then we built a tube hill and that was another one of those good ideas that didn’t work. The only thing that we salvaged out of that is the yurt and the yurt deck. We turned that into – well we rent it out during the summer, okay. But now it’s rented every weekend in the winter (with family groups or birthday parties or whatever; some are a few weddings, things like that, family reunions, church groups, scout groups). But the yurt wasn’t a terrible investment, but the lift [to tow tubers up the hill] was. Of course we were able to sell that so that wasn’t too serious. CP: So when – I guess maybe we’re jumping ahead a little bit – so when snowboarding first became popular was there any discussion at all about what Beaver Mountain would allow and what they wouldn’t? TS: No. In the original – when snowboards first came out they had an organization (don’t ask me the name of it) that they had for boarders and had a gentleman from Salt Lake that would come up here, a young person. And he would watch you with your board and see what you could do with your board. And when he decided that you had the ability to get on the lift and off the lift with your board then he would give you a piece of paper or slip that said we may sell you a lift ticket because you now have the ability to board and get off the lift. Okay, at first we restricted them from Little Beaver. Why did we do that? Because we felt that the ability of a boarder to handle his board, we were concerned about mixing two beginners. We also used to keep them off the ridge for the same thing. And all that happened there was it created a big argument between our ski patrol and the boarders, because the boarders were always deaf to the ski patrol, to see if they could get down there without getting caught. But then what happened about the third year with boards – I jumped over this – boards did not have medal edges. Just like skis didn’t used to have medal edges. And so the industry said, “Wait a minute. You have got to have medal edges.” And why? Control, control. And so then they started to put medal edges on them Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  11   �and I think probably better bindings and blaty-blaty-blaty-blah. And today it’s – I think there’s only three ski areas in the United States that don’t permit them and two of them are in Utah: Alta and Deer Valley. And that’s a business decision they’ve made. So I don’t think you ever will see them at Deer Valley; I think someday possibly at Alta. And the reason I say that – these kids, the skiers and snowboarders now – they hang together, they all come up in the same car or whatever. They’re not like before, in my recollection of snowboards is that they were one bunch and skiers were another bunch; they didn’t co-mingle, but they do today. They ski the mountain together, they ride the same chair and eat lunch and all that. So Alta (between us girls) is actually losing skier days. Finest ski area in America, there ain’t nothing better than Alta. BC: Yeah. TS: Bar none. It’s the best. Their older set that skied there forever – the Spence Eccles and those types – do not want to mingle with the snowboarders because they’re a little lower grade of people. [Laughing] That’s the philosophy! And they have convinced Donald and before him Chick Martin, that Alta would be a better ski area without them. I do know of some things that we have problems with boarders. One is visibility, and we do have more collisions with boarders than we do with skiers. That is a problem. They’re smart-mouthed (boarders), but you know what? There are smart-mouthed skiers too! CP: Yeah. TS: It doesn’t all – just because you’ve got a board on you you can use bad language because you could put skis on you and use the same language. That’s kind of a far-fetched deal there. But no, boarding has changed a great deal and it’s probably 47-50% of our business. We haven’t done a little survey in a while. Depends on the day; depends on the day how many boarders we get. I think boarders are becoming more acceptable than they were 15 years ago, or 10 or five even. I have concerns over some over the other gimmicks that we’re using: bicycles on the mountain on snow. I have concerns over that. We talk about – I don’t know if you’ve ever – do you ski? CP: I do. TS: Okay. Have you seen them up there on their – they’re not a bicycle with tires but they sit on it, yeah. I have a problem with them in that they don’t have anything on their feet. And so when they get on and get off the lift they can leave bad marks in the snow. CP: Right. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  12   �TS: I think they have good control. Most of the people I’ve seen on them are a little older set. 100 years ago when Merlin Olsen and them guys were skiing we had what we called a “sit ski” and it was very similar to these. And my hell, when them guys would fall they’d leave a crater a size of this room! [Laughing] And not just him; I just can remember – I’m trying to think of the other guy that used to play football same time Merlin did. Both of them skied. My hell they’d get in the chair on the Face Lift together, the chair would almost come off the rope! [Laughing] Because, you know, they were both big people. But we don’t have them to rent and we probably won’t. How many things do you let on your mountains? You know? I think there’s a limit to what should be permitted on a mountain to have fun with. If somebody else wants to do it, that’s fine. And that’s Alta’s thinking on the snowboard and that’s Deer Valley’s thinking on the snowboard: let them go someplace else. There is a place for them so, there you go. CP: So I assume you’re a skier yourself? TS: Yep. CP: How long have you been doing that? All [of] your life? TS: Yeah. I won my first race at Alta at the age of 12. CP: Yeah? TS: I won at Snowbasin at the age of ten, before they had a lift. I won a metal at the NC2A [NCAA]. CP: Okay. TS: So, been around a little bit; been around a little bit. BC: So have you tried to snowboard? TS: No! [Laughing] No, something we ought to have at our resort is we ought to rent padding for first-timers. [Laughing] And thumb restraints. Because that’s what we’re hurting; we’re hurting thumbs, elbows and shoulders with boarders. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  13   �BC: Um-hmm; right. TS: The thing about boarding – a boarder the first day and a half, two days has more trouble than the skiers. But by the third day he run off and hide from skiers. It’s a faster learned sport. At least that’s what we’re seeing; even with or without lessons, it doesn’t seem to make that much difference. I don’t know why it’s easier to stand on a plank with two feet than it is to have two feet out here. I don’t understand that. But they do, they just run and hide from skiers. Yeah. CP: Um-hmm. TS: The demand that we have now for board use – we entertain a lot of schools. Last year I think we had 32 different schools. Some of them came twice, but not many – and the big demand was for boards. It cramps us to have enough boards for all the kids that want them. Another thing that’s happening in the ski industry in the last three years really has been strong is the helmets. And we have some helmets to rent, but on the weekends we pretty much rent whatever (I don’t know we’ve got 12 or 15 of them). When these kids’ schools come, every kid wants a helmet. CP: Um-hmm. TS: Are they necessary? I don’t know. I think there’s a deterrent with them. If you’re not going to fall and hit a tree, I don’t think you need one. If you’re going to hit the tree the next turn, then I think you better have one on! [Laughing] But they don’t solve all the problems; I’m sure they solve a hell of a lot of them, but they don’t solve them all. Like the girl that hit the tree up at Beaver last winter and broke her neck. But she hit – I mean I’m sure she had good speed – but it just pshh and that was it. If she’d had a concrete block on there she would’ve still done it; it’s just one of those things. And they happen. Thank goodness that’s the only second one in our ski area career, you know we feel good. We don’t feel good about it; we feel good that we’ve only had two. BC: Could you tell us a little bit about your relationship with the Forest Service? How does the ski area work within the National Forest? I assume you don’t own all the land, but do you own some of it, or . . . ? TS: None. BC: None. Okay. TS: Incidentally right now it is not owned by the National Forest. It’s owned by the SITLA. You know SITLA is the School Institute for Trust Land. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  14   �BC: Right, okay. TS: Years ago, early, early in life doing business (and I’m talking now when I’m 15, 16, 17 years old) listening to my dad talk to Owen Despain and all the other Forest Rangers that we’ve had; and MJ Roberts and on and on – Dave . . . BC: Baumgartner. TS: Yeah. Until environmental thing became strong we could do about whatever we wanted. In other words if we wanted to cut a trail here, we could cut a trail there; if we wanted to build a road here, we could build a road here. And then as the environmental movement got stronger, now we were more restricted; we had to do assessments and blahty-blahtyblah. And I’m not saying that’s right or wrong, but you asked about the association. BC: Right. TS: Life with MJ Roberts, when he was Ranger up here, became almost unbearable. BC: And when would he have been Ranger? TS: Dave Baumgartner replaced him. BC: Okay. So Dave came at about 1990 – TS: Yeah, 1990-something. But see MJ Roberts had a long, long span. MJ Roberts and I did not get along; at all. I guess we were both too hard-headed. BC: [Laughing] TS: Dad got along with MJ. But I couldn’t. MJ insisted on – we wanted to drill for water – MJ wouldn’t let us drill for water. You know why? Because he didn’t want a ski area on the National Forest. We had to have water! We were getting two gallons a minute from the Logan Canyon side through a pipe that was buried that deep [gesturing]. We had winters that that froze up – then what did we do? We hauled water up there in milk trucks and pumped up to the reservoir and then feed it back in during the day for our restrooms. There was things that wanted to go on Mount Logan that MJ – that would take power up there to run the microwaves and stuff that’s up there – MJ about had a fit! He wouldn’t let them put them on the poles because that was visible, and he also wouldn’t let them dig a trench because of erosion. So he was kind of anti-everything. The forest itself I don’t think was that way. You have to understand that every Forest Ranger runs his own district as if he owned it. BC: Um-hmm. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  15   �TS: Then when Dave Baumgartner got in – and others – life became a little easier because they could see all they was doing was tying our hands. There is a demand for skiing; there is a demand for picnic grounds; there is a demand for motor bikes. We have to have sacrifice areas. It can’t all be trees and cows and deer and elk. That forest is used by everybody; we all own it. We can’t destroy it; we can’t destroy it, but wise use. The difference between an MJ Roberts and Dave Baumgartner was let’s see what we can do and do it right. Fred Lebar was my mentor and he was Assistant Ranger under MJ Roberts. Fred Lebar could see – if I told you where we took the material on top of the mountain to build the Dream Lift, you’d call me a fibbing liar. I mean we pulled everything on top of the mountain behind dozers up roads that were that steep. Because MJ didn’t want a road built (which would have been much nicer). You go up there in the summer, you look up the rig and you see that road. BC: Yeah, huh. TS: We wouldn’t have had to build that road if he’d been not so dang hard-headed. So what happens? You build a road straight up a mountain – which way does water run? Straight down. You can build [in] all the cross members you want; until the sheep lay in them and knock them down and then you’re right back where you started again. But anyway, after Fred Lebar came in, I talked some sense into Fred; he talked MJ into letting us drill for water. He talked him into building better roads; a road that was out of sight out of mind to the top of the mountain. You can’t see it from the highway anywhere, and we could use it without all the watershed problems, this, that and the other. Then President Clinton made the Escalante Staircase down there a National Monument. BC: Monument, yeah. TS: Underneath that evidently is a lot of coal. And of course SITLA owned that land, but when they made it a National Park now SITLA was booted out. So in order to satisfy SITLA to replenish their income, they gave SITLA the privilege of choosing the land that they would like to own to replace what they had lost down there. Well that went on for two years and the attorneys fought and fought and finally the President stepped in and said, “Hey this is bullshit. You take what you need without disturbing the forest and the forest will relinquish it and do all these trades.” Well SITLA owned 17,000 acres of land in Franklin Basin. SITLA has one thing in mind, and that’s to make money. That’s their sole function is to make money. They were making somewhere between $2500 and $3000 a year leasing that out to sheep and cows. Not very much is it? The first year they claimed and took over Beaver Mountain they got a check for $30,000 – which would you rather own? [Laughing] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  16   �You know? You don’t have to be too bright to figure that one out. The difference between SITLA and the forest is that SITLA wants you to do things that make money, because if you make money, we make money. Now, we run stuff by SITLA – we just had a meeting with them here a while ago. We’re up against a master plan; the county says we got to do a new one. So we met with SITLA and told them of things we wanted to do and they pretty much approved everything except a parking lot down on the road. Well, okay if they’re not willing to do that then we’re going to have to restrict people (some days) that want to come skiing. That’s just the way it works. Other than that, we pretty much have a green light. We do need more water if we ever want to make snow. We have enough water to give you a drink and flush the toilet. But if we ever want to make snow we do not have enough. SITLA would love to take all that land down there and develop it. I think it’s a ways off. I think it’s a long ways off after seeing – well we’ve all seen. We have some friends in Bear Lake that want to do some things with us up there to try and entice people to buy their property. And I talked to them the other day and they said, “Forget that for awhile because there isn’t any money.” There isn’t any money. BC: Yeah. TS: But that’s the difference. One wants you to do things to make money, the other was more apprehensive about growth, about growth. We never see SITLA. The only time we see them is when we send them a check! [Laughing] BC: So when you worked with the Forest Service did you actually have to buy a lease from them? Or how does that -- ? TS: Okay. SITLA and the forest – it used to be that we could get a ten year lease, then it went twenty, okay? Large ski area that have to borrow millions and millions of dollars, the banks wouldn’t loan them any money. So it took about six or seven years of the National Ski Area Association to go to Congress and say, “Look, we have got to extend the lease that permits on these ski areas because these people can’t grow. We need the long term to borrow money. We don’t need more land until we need more.” I mean you know how that works, you know? BC: Yeah. TS: I don’t need more potatoes until I empty my plate you know? And so finally they got the Forest Service to give us a 40 year permit; 40 year permit. SITLA doesn’t like it. I don’t care whether SITLA likes it or not! If I’m going to spend millions of dollars I want to know that my permit is safe; I want to know that my permit is safe. I’m not going up there to invest millions in this place and some attorney in Salt Lake that sits on SITLA’s board and says, “That’s too long of a lease.” I don’t give a damn what he thinks! You want to put your money into it Jack? So they’ve been pretty good. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  17   �They have wanted to re-write it. We have two permits there because at one time on the Beaver, on the Dream Lift – there’s 31 acres there on a run we call Gentle Ben that belonged to the forest. So (this is after the land trade) then we had to get another permit for that. Wait a minute, maybe I’m telling you the wrong story here. That was state land, that’s right. That was state land when it was forest because that little piece in there belonged to the state. The state owned the other side. So we had to get a permit from SITLA to use that 31 acres. Well now we’re still carrying that 31 acres and we’re carrying the other one for 1000 acres. And they’re kind of holding that over our head a little bit. Instead of putting both of them together (it would save us a little bit of money, but no very darn much). They want to re-write the permit and go from a 40 year permit (we’re good until 2038). And see then what we want in a permit is an automatic extension for five years and five years. Now, how good is our permit? I don’t know. BC: Yeah. TS: Until somebody really tests it and somebody wants to own Beaver Mountain and wants to kick us out, I guess that’s the day we’ll test it. My personal opinion is, the way it would really be tested if somebody came in and wanted to develop all this down here, wanted to take this 3000 acres and they wanted the ski area to do it and so they put the bite on the state, says, “We won’t do it unless we own the ski area.” Then I think you’d start to see some fur fly. I think that’s when it would get down dirty and ugly. But that’s not going to happen in my lifetime. Because the money isn’t out there to buy. Bear Lake’s got what? 500 lots over there to sell? BC: Yeah. TS: Why would you buy one at Beaver Mountain? If you wanted to use Bear Lake’s you’ve got the 12-15 mile travel; you could own one at Bear Lake and sit on the lake in the golf course, if you want to go skiing you drive your 13 miles, go skiing and come back to your place. That’s what I think. To me, Beaver Mountain is not a very attractive place, unless that’s all you want to do and have a summer home. Then Beaver Mountain is not a very attractive place. Whoever does it has a got a big row to hoe: they’ve got to bring more power in. Now sewage is the big problem; we can bring power in and we can drill for water – but something’s got to happen to that sewage. CP: Yeah. TS: And if you come in there with a 500 unit development or 200 unit development – that’s a hell of a lot of sewage. CP: You can’t just get a septic tank, you know. TS: That’s BIG septic tank! We have seven septic tanks. We have seven septic tanks and we pump them twice a year. Knock on wood, our drain fields are still holding up. See, a lot of that land up there is clay. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  18   �BC: Yeah. TS: And clay doesn’t take water. Well, when we hit a rock bed we just jump up and down! We just jump up and down. But you know, I don’t think it’s going to happen for awhile. But that was SITLA’s mission: to make money for the state of Utah. BC: Right. TS: And they do make a lot of money. They do make a lot of money for the state. They have coal fields and that down there that are generating $100,000 a month! That’s a lot of money for the school systems! A lot of money, that’s fine. The only thing I object to is that Cache County charges us property tax on that land – not on the lift and that (they charged on that, and that’s fine), but they are charging us property tax on that (I call it real property) – BC: Right. TS: Okay, as if we owned it as developable property. They’re saying out of this 1,000 acres, 800 of it is developable. And I’m saying, “Bullcrap.” BC: Yeah. TS: It’s not developable! You’re not going to build on 32% slopes! CP: [Laughing] TS: And I haven’t been able to convince them (and I haven’t taken them to court) over the fact that we really don’t want to give you $30,000 in taxes for something we don’t own. BC: No. TS: Now, it ought to be one or the other: we either ought to pay the state or we ought to pay the county. One of the two, but not both, at least that’s my thinking. I’m sure I’d get some arguments over that. [Phone ringing] Yeah, that’s my wife. Excuse me, please. CP: Sure. [Stop and start recording] CP: Make sure it’s going there. Alright, we’re back. So we were just talking about your relationship with government agencies and things that you have leases from and everything, for the ski area. Just to kind of maybe get a base line here – we talked about SITLA and the Forest Service; there’s some state land that you all lease from right now. When you first started working at the ski resort was the land ownership different than it is today? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  19   �TS: Well the land ownership when we first started, either up at the Sinks or down at the Beaver, was all Forest Service land. Either place it was. And then – hmm, I’d have to look it up, but probably nine years ago it was turned over to SITLA, which is the School of Institutional Trust Lands and they became the landlords. Their function is to develop the land and make money for the school systems. So it’s just been the two different land owners; both of them with very different missions – not different missions, but different attitudes. One wants to make money and the other doesn’t care whether they make money or not because they get a blood transfusion every July. But SITLA needs to make their own money for themselves, the people that run it and also for the school systems. So that in essence is the two different people that we do business with. We do have to account to Cache County for all building permits, for taxes, for building inspections, for food service inspections, for water testing, all of those types of things. So we’re just like any other. We’re almost [like a] city in that we have to adhere to all the rules and regulations almost that Logan City would have to adhere to. Safe drinking water, fire prevention, water systems for fire – you name it. We do have ambulance service up there, we do have ski patrol that has excellent facilities to take care of injured; we do not have the ability to shock a patient in case of some heart problems from afibrillation – we do not have that, but almost that good of communications with them. As soon as the county gets this 800 megahertz [MHz] in, then we will have direct support from the hospital to run some of this equipment that we do not have – oh, you get 100 people and somebody doesn’t know what they’re doing, but with the direct support from the hospital and this 800 MHz comes in will be a good thing. It will also mean that the Fire, Sheriff’s Department, Police Department can talk all the way through Logan Canyon without the help of repeaters. They’ve tested it; they can talk right from Third Dam to Garden City from the top of the Beaver. And this side is being developed; they’ll build it next year which will be a good thing. There’s no site up there for cell phones; there’s a little difficulty there going on between the state and federal government because the state wants it on their land because they make a lot of money off of cell phone towers. CP: Um hum. TS: SITLA has given the state the right of way over the land to get to Beaver Mountain. But also written in that right of way is the fact that they will not be permitted to put cell phones on their tower. CP: Ah. TS: Right, wrong or indifferent, when you have the power you can do what the deuce you want, you know? CP: Right. TS: If you have to ask permission you do what you are told usually. That’s the way it works. So, it will be a good thing. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  20   �CP: So, can you think of any government policies: national, local, state policies that have had a major impact on your operations over the years? TS: The big thing was when they made our permits to the National Ski Area Association they made the permits for forty years. But also within that system is the fee system; it’s locked in for forty years. With so much based on income; as you make more money you pay more. It’s based on a million income, two million, three, four, five up to a hundred million dollars: which some ski areas would do; some of your large Colorado areas. And it is all predicated on the dollar’s worth. When the dollars up it costs us a little more and when the dollars down it costs us a little less. It is something that set in concrete so small little resorts don’t have to go negotiate that with our Forest or the state or whoever owns the land. If you are on private land then that is something else. But we do pay income taxes on every dollar that comes in like anybody else. We do pay sales tax. We do have a small exemption on sales tax and that is for the lifts, our snow making equipment, our snow grooming equipment. Now why did the state of Utah do that? Because Colorado has no sales tax on lift tickets; so we compete directly with Colorado for skiers. (Not Beaver Mountain so much but the Salt Lake resorts.) So the Utah Ski Association met with the legislator a number of years ago and said “Hey look, we are at a disadvantage; we need something to kind of offset this sales tax on lift tickets.” So they did give us the exemption on the purchase of ski lifts, on the maintenance of them and on snow making and on snow vehicles: over the ground vehicles. But that is the only break we get. CP: So how has the environmental movement changed what you do at the ski area? Have there been any laws enacted or anything like that or environmental laws that have changed how you [do things]? TS: Not that I am aware of. The state is not immune to the environmental movement. But they are immune to . . . In other words if SITLA did not want to adhere to Cache County rules they wouldn’t have to. They’d just tell the County to go jump in the lake. They may end up in court. I’m not saying they wouldn’t do that. But, I remember a statement that the director of SITLA [made]. He came up here I took him around and introduced him to all the [Cache] County Commissioners and Lynn Lemon and all those people that’s involved in that, our state representatives when this thing was taking place. And the lady who was chairman of the County Commission asked this person “Well, would you adhere to County zoning?” And he said “Yes, if it doesn’t interfere with what we want to do.” What did he tell her? “Yeah, if you don’t bother us, we’ll go along with you.” You know. CP: Right. TS: So that’s between the state and the county. Our deal with the county, we have a master plan: we work on a master plan. We have to submit drawings, we have to get building permits. Blah de blah de blah; so nothing’s really changed. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  21   �CP: So aside for that one forest ranger that you mentioned, your relationships has been pretty good with the government? TS: They have, they have. You have to give and take. You can’t be overly demanding, but you have to go in and – See the difference between the Beaver Mountain and the Forest Service: we have to make money because we don’t get a blood transfusion every 12 months; we have to make our own money. And if they make life so miserable and so expensive that we can’t make a profit and then we cease to exist. So they have to be (I don’t know what word I want to use here) but they have to be sympathetic to our needs because Beaver Mountain entertains more people on that 1,000 acres of land than the Forest Service does – not on the whole Cache – but on the Cache/Blacksmith fork/Logan Canyon and then up toward Richmond. We entertain more people than all the campgrounds and that put together on this part of the Cache except maybe during the deer hunt. CP: Whoa. TS: So as far as campers, trailers, hikers, bikers, horse riders; we entertain more than they do. We entertained last year 87,000 people. CP: So what kind of – you know, 87,000 now – what kind of increase have you seen since you started working at Beaver Mountain? TS: When I was a kid and we were up at the Sinks, lift tickets were $1 a day. And I can remember when $39 was a big day. CP: Wow! TS: This book right here you saw me digging out? CP: Uh-huh? TS: That book, that book is one that my folks kept that tells what money income was at the ski area. For example, (let me go back) – [flipping through pages of a book] CP: This is a ledger? TS: Yeah, this is a ledger. CP: With the date? TS: This is the date: on December 15, 1956 we took in $47.25 on the lift and $13.30 on the shelter, in 1956. CP: Uh-huh. Yeah. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  22   �TS: So how many people is that? I don’t know what lift tickets were at that time. This doesn’t tell me. For the month of December we generated $1,128; in the food service we generated $331. CP: That’s where the money is, or was then. TS: Yeah! I mean, you know. And here it says it started a lift December 19, 1954. December 19 they did $41.25 on the lift and $12.80 on food service. The month of December we did $175.50 on the lifts. That’s not very much money! CP: No, no. Especially now, with passes being a few hundred dollars, so. TS: And this goes back – I talked to you about the Mount Logan Winter Carnival; Mount Logan Ski Club Carnival – here’s all the people that raced and the times. And a lot of these people are still alive, like Jerry Wallace and Max Sears, John Croft – these are people that are my age. Eldon Larsen’s dead, but I mean that doesn’t mean anything to you, but my dad kept records of everything. CP: Yeah. So what years, what time periods does that book cover there? TS: [Looking in the book] March 10, 1946. And here’s the cross country, the snow sculpture I talked to you about snow sculpturing. CP: Uh-huh. TS: American Vets Rotary Club Mountain something, somebody – I can’t remember. (Some of the book’s had water spilled on it.) But this book here, this little one, gives all the times that our people worked. This one is not so old here; who worked, how many hours and what their pay was. It’s kind of fun to dig back in that when we paid people $2.20 and hour. CP: Right, right. TS: You know, kids in high school. CP: So how have people’s demands changed? Skiers’ demands changed over the decades? TS: Well. CP: I’m sure what skiers expect from Beaver Mountain is much different than something they might expect somewhere in Park City, or – TS: Right, right. It depends. Skiers today want lifts that run good, lifts that are comfortable; they would like high speed lifts. Beaver Mountain can’t afford high speed lifts for a couple of reasons: first of all the expense in buying them; and second of all, the expense Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  23   �in hiring the qualified people to run the electrical system in them. See you would need – on high speed lifts – you have to hire EEs (Electrical Engineers). CP: Really? TS: What would you have to pay an Electrical Engineer? $50, $60, $70,000 a year? Psh. Maybe $80 maybe $90? That’s a lot of money! CP: Right. TS: Where we can get guys with the lifts we have now, we can hire them for 35-$40,000. CP: Um-hmm. TS: But the public does want the faster lifts; they want better groomed ski runs (which we have the ability to do); they want good food, fast; they want a place to lounge (which you can’t always supply – you get 1,000 people, you’re lodge holds 300 you know, somebody’s going to have to leave) that’s a problem for us. We do not have the problems with our clientele that the Salt Lake resorts do. Why? Most of our skiers are local. 85% of their skiers are out of state, probably people that make a little more money who seem to be more demanding. Now somebody don’t misunderstand what I just said, “seem to be.” You can talk to the guys and gals that work at Alta on the lifts and they’re very happy when spring comes because they’re tired of putting up with people who are demanding. CP: Right. TS: The Deer Valley will tell you the same thing; Park City will tell you the same thing. We have a totally different – not totally – but pretty much different clientele than they have. So a ski area ought to be a fun place to work, because whomever’s there is having fun; they want to have fun. They’re there for enjoyment. Maybe they only take one ride and go out and tailgate the rest of the day. CP: Yeah. TS: But that’s their entertainment! That’s what they do! Who says that because you buy a lift ticket that you’ve got to make 15 runs a day? It’s an activity, it’s a sport, it’s a recreation, it’s a happening. CP: Yeah, yeah. TS: And we’re seeing more and more of that all the time. We’re selling, oh 4 or 5,000 season passes. Do you think them people are going to come up there everyday and beat their head against the wall and run, run, run? No. They’re there for the experience; they’re there to have fun; they’re there to socialize. CP: Right. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  24   �TS: That’s good. That’s the way it should be; that’s the way it should be. Sure we have young people that come up there (and older ones) that they got to get as many runs as they can get because they spent $38 for a lift ticket and “by God, I’m going to get my money!” Fine, fine. You can ski just as dang hard as you want. It doesn’t bother me. If you want to go out and tailgate on your parking lot and fix whatever you fix – fine with me! Just don’t leave your mess! [Laughing] CP: So then back in the ‘40s, you’re saying that basically the people just wanted a way to get up the mountain and – TS: Okay. Back in the ‘40s we had a different ski area than we got today. CP: Right. TS: Back in the ‘40s you had the outdoor, mountaineering-type person – that was rugged (I don’t like that word), but the rugged type individual. Today what have we got? The sick, the lame and the lazy! [Laughing] Included with these others. CP: Right. TS: Who would’ve ever thought back in 1940 that you would have had adaptive scheme for somebody that didn’t have his legs. CP: Mm-hmm. TS: Or somebody that didn’t have any arms; or somebody that couldn’t stand up that had to be in a wheelchair. Who would’ve ever thought of that in 1940? We’ve got them everyday up at the Beaver! CP: Uh-huh. TS: Thank the good Lord there’s people that are willing to do that for those people. CP: Uh-huh. TS: We, at Beaver, try to make life easy for them. We donate lift tickets to those people. And here again, what I just said, the sick, the lame and the lazy. And I don’t mean that derogatory, but that’s how it’s changed! We don’t just have a fur coat that we pull on and go skiing, we got underwear and we got clothing that would keep you warm at 40 below! CP: Right. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  25   �TS: And doesn’t have to be six inches thick like the old suits we used to wear. And the big awkward shoes and four layers of socks! Now we wear one layer of thin socks and keep warmer than the days when we wore six pair of socks! CP: Yeah? TS: So things have changed. Our equipment has gotten better; the lift has gotten better, the food service has gotten better, the lodging has gotten better. Not just at Beaver Mountain, at ALL resorts. CP: So have you ever tried to actively draw any of the crowd from Salt Lake City? TS: No. CP: Never tried? Never had any desire. TS: Well, okay. We do a little of it. But why should I solicit you if I don’t have a place for you to stay? CP: Right, right. I mean you’ve got your niche, so. TS: Yeah, we’ve got a niche! CP: Right. TS: We think that if we ever get Bear Lake organized – have you been to Bear Lake lately? CP: I have! TS: Have you been there this winter? CP: I haven’t been this winter. Last time I went was – well, actually last time I went was this summer. TS: Okay, there was a few food places open, a few places to go eat weren’t there? CP: Uh-huh. TS: A couple of service stations, weren’t there? CP: Yeah. TS: Do you know what you’d find if you went over there now? CP: What’s that? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  26   �TS: You’d find three food services open – one of them’s just Thursday, Friday, Saturday; the other one’s open seven days a week and the other one’s open five days a week. Is there a grocery store? Well, not as big as this office we’re in. [Laughing] See. You got a place to go to a movie? CP: Uh-huh, TS: Do have a place to go bowling? CP: No, none of that. TS: Have you got a bar to go in? What have you got? Nothing. So would you want to take a vacation and go and stay at Bear Lake with nothing to do after seven o’clock at night? Probably not. So why should I solicit you to come to a place that I don’t have a place for you. CP: Right. TS: Now, let’s be honest. I think there’s people out there that we could solicit and tell them honestly what we are that would come and stay at a hotel/motel in Logan, and travel the 30 miles to the resort. Why? Mon-ey! They can stay down there for 40, 50, $60 – whatever it is – they can ski for $40. CP: Um-hmm. TS: That’s a damn cheap ski trip. CP: A good deal. TS: It is! But you have to be willing to relinquish the assets that are at Deer Valley or Park City. CP: Right. TS: You have to say, “Well they’re not of value to me.” I don’t have them, I don’t have any money to pay for them either. CP: So has anyone in your business actively tried to encourage development of Bear Lake at all, or is that kind of outside your – TS: I think they need a large convention center over there; they need a decent grocery store over there. They need some entertainment over there. But what I can understand, that of the people that own homes in Bear Lake, Garden City, all that area – that maybe 5% of Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  27   �them use them year-round, and the other 95 are used for a few weeks out of the year when Bear Lake is handy or if they came from the Wasatch Front, come up here and take over the Christmas Holidays. We do get quite a few people from the Wasatch Front over Christmas because they own places over there. But for us to go out and solicit large groups of people to come to Beaver, it might work once, but you’d never get them back. You’d never get them back because we are not that kind of a ski area. We’re that kind of a ski area, but we’re not that kind of a facility ski area (if that makes sense to you). CP: Yeah. TS: People say “Well look at all these people that go to Park City!” I said “My Lord! Look at Park City! It’s a mile long with stores on every side: hotels, motels, bars, eating food, rent skis, buys skis, buy a fur coat, buy a diamond ring, what do you want?!” CP: [Laughing] And they got a airport, you know, not very far away, so. TS: Yeah! See, so that what I think most ski vacationers want. Not all, not all. CP: Convenience. Yeah. TS: Convenience! I was in Ketchikan five years ago. And at Ketchikan these – CP: Alaska? TS: Alaska. Ketchikan, Alaska. Where these ships come in from these people that are on these cruises; cruise ships come in there. There were two cruise ships come in there that would hold roughly 4,800 people a piece. They both pulled up to the dock; long as a football field; four stories high – I don’t know how big. And we’d sit in there waiting for an airplane out of there, we had a day to loiter. And the town there at Ketchikan is about four blocks long, (the whole thing it’s a lot longer than that). Those tours were totally full of those people coming to buy stuff to take home. You think those locals didn’t know it? You could walk there at 10 o’clock and there would’ve been nobody in the store, but at 11 it would have been full of people taking your money and people shopping. And they would blow the whistle and all those people would leave and they’d go back on the boat and it was a ghost town again. So people will spend the money if you’ve got a place for them to spend it. And you don’t have that at Bear Lake. Now, summer pretty good; winter, not so good. CP: Well I just wanted to go back and ask you one more question about an environmental policy that’s come up in recent years, and just was wondering if it affected your business at all. Just the debate over motorized versus non-motorized transportation: snowmobiles – TS: It hasn’t got onto to us because we so far have been able to keep the snowmobilers out of there in the winter: because skiers and snowmobilers collide. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  28   �CP: Um-hmm. TS: If they go up there on the mountain and they dig a deep hole and some skier falls in it, hurts himself, who’s responsible? I don’t know where that guy is that left it with a snowmobile. Those are things that we get concerned about when we groom, that we don’t leave bad places for you to drop a ski or a board in and get hurt. Those are things that we try to avoid. No, we have stayed out of that fight between the cross-country skier and the snowmobiler. No, it hasn’t affected us because we’re a different – no, we don’t permit them to park in our parking lot; we need it for our people. There’s a parking lot down there, go use that and if it’s not big enough, don’t bother me go to the state. That’s their concern, not mine. CP: Right. TS: See, what happened with the environmental movement – when we first started to develop in the ski area in 1977. We had to do a big master plan: that was it. (Fact it was before it.) So what we did, we hired some people to make all the lines and the circles, and write the write-ups. And we had two meetings and we invited all the politicians, we invited all the environmental community, of course the Forest Service, ski groups, anybody else. And we met at the ski area. We had a few hundred people show up and we had about eight tables. And we had a chairman at each table: he talked about power, or he talked about whatever it was – cutting trees, or putting up ski lifts, or parking lots, or whatever. And so all of these environmental groups, they came and they got their input, they got their input to what they thought ought to happen. And those inputs were considered and then we wrote up the EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) and those things were put in there weighed against something else. You know what? We never had one complaint from the environmental community because they were invited to have their say. Now if we would’ve done that without including them, they would’ve found reasons to block it or get our master plan. But because they were involved, they had input into it, they were happy with that. So, we’ve done a couple of things right. CP: Right, right. I just wanted to ask another thing about how the ski area has changed over the years. How has it changed in terms of summer use? TS: Okay, years ago – of course when we were in the Sinks, we had nothing. We come into Beaver in ’47, we had nothing. Then about 12-15 years ago we decided to try summer activities. And so we planted three semi loads of grass out around the deck at the lodge so that it looked nice. We cleaned up all the brush and the rocks, we cleaned all that up. I got pictures to show you what it looked like, the devil. And so then we put the RV hookups; put in 15 of those. And slowly we started renting them. So now 15 on the weekends, 16 is not enough. So we put people on what we called the “upper side” and they can run a cord and get power; they don’t have sewer, they don’t have water. And then we have tent sites; six tent sites. Some of them one tent, two tents; some of them 7, 8, 9, 10 tents. We have permanent pitch tents. We have four, ten-man tents that are permanently pitched that you can rent for whatever you want. And you have water there, but no power, no sewer. But we do have toilets, temporary toilets. Then we have the yurt, we rent the yurt out. That’s Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  29   �rented out a lot in the summer. The day lodge, we rent the day lodge out. So we’ve gone from doing nothing, to finding everything we’ve got at the resort where we can put a tent, where we can put an RV spot. Now we can build some more RVs in the upper parking lot, we can do that and we will do that. But we’re looking for a little more demand because you understand in economics if you build and they don’t come, you still get to pay for it. CP: That’s right. TS: But when there’s enough demand and you build and you know they’re going to come, then you’re fine. So maybe our financial philosophy is different than the others: we don’t like to borrow money. We don’t borrow money. Beaver Mountain has not borrowed money since 10, 11 years ago when my wife and I bought my brothers and sisters out, we didn’t have the money so we had to borrow it. Since then we’ve been able to do whatever we’ve done, on our own money. And that’s good because we do not build, we do not spend before we’re sure of our return. That’s the way it works. That’s the way it should work! It’s worked for us. CP: So then, just to kind of sum up everything we’ve talked about – what do you feel is the future of Beaver Mountain? What do you think will happen after, when you pass it on to someone else? TS: Well, I don’t know what’s going to happen, but what I hope happens – two of our kids and their significant others are in the business with us. Our son Travis is around 50-ish; Jeff [son-in-law] is around 57, 58. Travis doesn’t have any boys; Jeff’s got two boys. At the present time they’re not very interested in the business. Will they become interested? Will the girls take it over and run it, do the man’s work? I don’t know, I don’t know. I would like to see it stay in the family; I’m sure my folks would, you know? What happens with development down below? Are they going to find an opportunity there to sell it and walk away from it and make a lot of money? Or will they cherish it like we have and say, “No, I don’t need the money, I don’t need the money”? I think the ski area will grow more. I think there will be a couple more lifts put in; there’s going to be some lodge additions, those types of things. We know that there’s going to be more food service put in up towards the other side of the ski patrol building. There’s going to be some buildings put in over at Marge’s Triple for food service and for restrooms; that’s going to happen. So I see the ski area staying together, unless, as we talked earlier, that the state finds a buyer for the whole thing and the only way he’ll buy it is if the ski area’s included and they find a way to boot us out of there. So that’s my hope. Now are you the one that asked about a mission statement? CP: No. TS: Oh, I got another meeting at 12:15 or something with somebody else on similar stuff. They want to talk about bicycles and summer bicycle rides and where’s your mission Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  30   �statement? Where are you headed? Well, I think mission statements are for a little bigger company than we are. I think if you sat Jeff in that corner and Travis and the rest of them in these other corners, you went around and asked them, “What do you think is going to happen to Beaver?” I think almost without exception you would get the same answer, because we’re a small company and we have meetings and get-togethers all the time and discuss where we’re going, so. Anyway, we’ll see what he wants to know. CP: Right. So you think it will stay – TS: A “Ma and Pa”? CP: Yeah a “Ma and Pa” that caters to a local crowd? TS: I think so. CP: Think so. TS: They say Logan is going to double in the next 20 years. Maybe, maybe. We do have room up there to build more day lodges and that if we need. We hope to build one now, we got problems with the ski shop, we got problems with the ski school, we got problems in food service. We need more room. We need more locker space, if you want to rent a locker. Our lockers are totally booked, and they have been. People they keep them and if they decide they’re not going to stay, they turn it over to somebody else. CP: Do you think that the warmer climate is going to affect the way that your business is run? TS: I read an article here awhile ago that scared me to death because they predicted that by 2038 it would not snow – and that’s the last year of our permit with the state. How expensive would that be? Yeah, I’m concerned over the climate. But the thing that bothers me is Congress or whoever, the Environmental Protection Agency, is not willing to let business do things that we hold down the greenhouse gases. They’re still running their coal-fired generating plants, when they could put nuclear in, that puts out one-tenth the emission. CP: Right. TS: And probably safer, if the truth was known. They said we would have to have two Chernobyls a week to be any more than dangerous than the coal-fired plants. Do you think we’re going to have two of them a week? I don’t think so. Three mile island? I don’t think so. Now, they’re talking about the down-winders. Yeah, that was probably a mistake. No, I don’t know. I think sometimes people do these things and say these things to try and get some notoriety. I wish they had a little more technical data to tell us about before they opened their yip. You know? Everybody wants to be up here; everybody wants to be the knowledgeable guy or gal and I think sometimes the stuff they throw at us is total bullcrap. But it is a concern because we do not have the snow now that we had when I was a kid. We do not have that, I know that. I know that. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  31   �CP: What kinds of measurements do you remember? TS: Well, that’s been so long ago. I can remember years of 120 inches of collected snow. We can get 350-400 inches of snowfall, but it settles down;120-140. But now, if we get 80 or 90 it’s pretty good. CP: Right. TS: It’s pretty darn good. I can’t remember what last year’s was, I’d have to – let me write that down in the book that I don’t have here. CP: It was pretty good last year. TS: Oh the skiing was good, yeah! It was slow coming. We didn’t open until the 22nd of December! CP: Right. TS: I remember one year, ’77 or ’79 we opened the 23rd of February and closed the 15th of March. That wasn’t too prosperous; we didn’t make too much money that year. CP: Um-hmm, right. So you save your money during the good years for when you have lean years? TS: Well some people save for a sunshiny day and we save for a rainy day. CP: Yeah? TS: But you know, it’s been good to us. And so I’ve been wise with our money, we’ve tried not to overbuy; we’ve tried not to over-speculate. Yeah, we’ve made mistakes; will we make more? Oh yeah, I’m sure we will. If we do anything we will, if we do anything we’ll make mistakes. It will be interesting to see what happens in the – wish I could look back on this in 10 years and remember what we talked about. But I think the ski area will continue to grow, as long as we have winter. As long as we market it right and treat our people right – and that’s part of marketing – and provide a fair service for a fair price. That’s what it’s all about. If you didn’t like hotdogs you got a Joe’s, you wouldn’t go you’d go somewhere else won’t you? CP: That’s right. TS: Yeah, that’s right. And our transportation any more, yeah it’s kind of expensive, but it’s not very far to Powder Mountain or Snowbasin, or Wolf Mountain, or you get a little further down into Salt Lake. But it doesn’t seem like it bothers people to drive that far anymore. CP: Yeah, well is there anything that you’d like to add? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  32   �TS: No, I’ve probably said more than I got knowledge to say. But if you have any questions – why, the phone’s here. Don’t be afraid to call. CP: Sure. TS: Don’t be afraid to call. And I’m sure I’ve missed a lot of stuff, but you know, you can’t live a lifetime in two hours. CP: Right, right. Well, it was good to talk to you. TS: It was good to talk to you and good luck to you with what – [Stop recording] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Ted  Seeholzer     Page  33   � Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Where else is this found? Give the URL for the item, if it is in another respository (like CONTENTdm) <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/337">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/337</a> Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. 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Title A name given to the resource Telluride Power Company plant in Logan Canyon, Utah, ca. 1900 Description An account of the resource View east shows Telluride Power Company operations at the mouth of Logan Canyon. ca. 1900. Cache D.U.P. Collection. Black and white photograph (8 x 10 in) mounted on board Subject The topic of the resource Telluride Power Company--Photographs Power-plants--Utah--Logan Canyon--Photographs Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Black and white photographs Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. 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Give the URL for the item, if it is in another respository (like CONTENTdm) <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/229">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/229</a> Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library using Epson Expression 10000 scanner, 8-bit RGB, at 600 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (600 dpi) display file is JPEG2000 Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2011-11-02 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Temple Fork Sawmill, Logan Canyon, Utah, 1880s Description An account of the resource Temple Fork Sawmill, Logan Canyon, UT, 1880s. Black and white photograph (4 x 5 in) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Ellsworth, S. George (Samuel George), 1916- Subject The topic of the resource Temple Fork (Logan Canyon, Utah)--Photographs Sawmills--Utah--Logan Canyon--Photographs Temple Fork Sawmill (Logan Canyon, Utah)--Photographs Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Black and white photographs Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Temple Fork (Utah) Logan Canyon (Utah) Cache County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1880-1889 19th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, S. George Ellsworth photograph collection, ca. 1940-1995, P0025 5:14:07 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. 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Logan Canyon Reflections https://highway89.org/files/original/c2bc879d31d909054da0909fac666fd0.mp3 f11ca2547bc83c84e9f284d11fe38961 https://highway89.org/files/original/c04b495f403d87adfcda6bcbb5de4ca5.pdf b1d280c0cf16d53ff3274533349f23a2 PDF Text Text Stokes Nature Center History & Lore of Logan Canyon Podcast Series Temple Sawmill In Spring 1877, Brigham Young, the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, decided to build a temple in Cache Valley. The locals looked to the canyons to the east for the resources they needed to complete this huge task. By summer of the same year, Thomas X. Smith and C. O. Card located an appropriate site in Logan Canyon, a side-canyon then called Maughan's Fork. This was a very competitive time for lumber. Nearby, the Utah & Northern Railroad was being constructed, and Coe and Carter, a company that supplied railroad ties, had scouts looking to the mountains of northern Utah to supply the wood they would need. Upon receiving news of this, the locals took immediate action to secure the stands of trees they had chosen for the temple. Card sent out a team to begin construction of the new sawmill, and not a moment too soon. Historian Marion Everton wrote, “When the Coe and Carter outfit arrived some forty-eight hours later they found the first logs laid out for a big sawmill and men busily engaged in constructing shelters, but not too busy to tell visitors that they intended to continue the occupation of Maughan's Fork with the exclusion of any and all other outfits.” Work progressed quickly, and on November 4, 1877, the mill sawed its first board. In 1878, the side-canyon where the sawmill was located began to be called by an appropriate name: Temple Fork. The sawmill proved to be overly capable, producing more wood than was needed for the new temple. Contracts were made with the Utah & Northern to cut the extra wood into railroad ties, and, ironically, the project that once rivaled the temple became a project that helped fund its construction. The sawmill operated for 9 years, producing more than 2.5 million board-feet of lumber, 21,000 railroad ties, and many other wood products. It was closed down in 1884 and put up for sale, but there were no buyers. In 1886, the sawmill met its end when it mysteriously burned down. Two sets of men's footprints in the snow led to and from the site, which led people to suspect arson. However, no clues indicating who set the fire, or why, were ever found. Sources: Simmonds, A. J. In God’s Lap: Cache Valley history as told in the newspaper columns of A. J. Simmonds, A Herald Journal Book. Herald Journal, 2004. Sweeney, Michael S. Last Unspoiled Place: Utah's Logan Canyon. National Geographic Society, 2008. � Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Where else is this found? Give the URL for the item, if it is in another respository (like CONTENTdm) <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/312">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/312</a> Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2012-05-24 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Temple Sawmill Description An account of the resource The sawmill that provided lumber for Cache Valley's LDS temple survived fierce competition, had a productive life, and then met its mysterious end. Voiced by Elaine Thatcher. Part of the Stokes Nature Center's podcast series History & Lore of Logan Canyon where each podcast is linked to a specific site in Logan Canyon. Includes transcription. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Stokes Nature Center Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Thatcher, Elaine Subject The topic of the resource Temple Fork Sawmill (Logan Canyon, Utah)--History Temple Fork (Logan Canyon, Utah)--History--19th century Sawmills--Utah--Logan Canyon--History--19th century Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. podcasts Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. 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Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah State Department of Highways Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Davis County)--Photographs Advertising--Utah--US 89 Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Black and white photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 12/9/1965 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Milepost 357.83 (Utah) US 89 (Utah) Davis County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1965-1975 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Outdoor Advertising Sign Inventories, Series 959, Box 2. Folder 14 Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. 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HANSEN BEFORE THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE May 6, 1993 Chairman Carr l distinguished members of the Subcommittee, I appreciate the opportunity I have to appear Subcommittee. b~fore the On behalf of the constituents of the First District of Utah I am asking along with leaders from the state of Utah for $73,600,000 for the continuation of completion of upgrading U.S. 89 and $3,600,000 for the completion of a new interchange on Interstate 15 (1-15). The U.s. Highway B9 route extends approximately 12 mil~s between the cities of Farmington and ogden. Not only does it provide the principal lihk between major Interstates and these cities, but it is the main lina of transportation between many smaller communities und their markets and suppliers. AdditionallYI it is a principal connection between a major Air FOrce installation, Hill Air Force Base, and the rest of the country. Last year Congress appropriated $2,400,000 to continue conducting initial studies and engineering. Th~ $2,400,000 is an initial portion of a larger, multi-year appropriation initially requested by myself, former Senator �Jake Garn and Senator Orrin Hatch. This project has been authorized through the Highway Reauthorization Bill but for far less than is neQded to complete the project. The reasons that I have come before the Committee to seek continued funding for U.S. 89, ·are that the concerns with the highway continue to mUltiply as the highway is excessively dangerous, the volume of traffic is too large fer the size of the highway, and the local and state governments simply cannot afford to pay for the upgrade of U.S. 89. I am also asking that the committee appropriate $3/000/000 for the completion of a new interchange on 1-15 at Forest st. in Brigham City, utah. Spending for the project has been authorized at a level of $3,600,000 in the Highway Reauthorization Bill. Th~ proposed site of the interchange is located west of Brigham City, Utah. This is the present location of Morton International and the future location of a visitor center for the United states Department of the Interiorfs Bear River Bird Refuge. Morton International is a automotive safety products. larg~ manufacturer of At present, there is no direct off-ramp providing access from 1-15 to the Morton International �facility- Being the largest manufacturer of automotive air bags, Morton Brigham ci~y Internatic~al is pro j ecting dra matic growth at the site over the next four years. Travelers tc the Morton Internat i onal facility must presently access the p l ant by exiting 1-15 approximatel y 3 miles south of the plant or approximately J mi les to the north of t h e p~ant and n ecess~~ a tas he avy to travel by way of busy streets to International facility. ~~ ~ c k s re~ch e~= ou t2 to t~ e p:ant t h e Morton Reduction of congest i on and increased safety are utmost in t h e planning of the ne ~v i n terchange. Additionally, the United States Department of Interior Bear River Bird Refuge is planning to locate it's visitor center at the site of the interchange. The visitor center is expected to draw in excess of 50 0 ,000 visitors per year, or 170,000 vehicles. Due to safety and logistic concerns, construction of a new intersect i on is vital to the viability of the visitol center. Again, I would like to reiterate my support for the effort of the State of Utah to obtain $73 / 000,000 to complete upgrade of U.S. Highway 89 and $3,600,000 to construct a new interchange on 1-15. As growth continues in these areas the safety and logistic concerns will only continue to mount. � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/1703">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/1703</a> Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. 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Hansen before the transportation subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, May 6, 1993 Description An account of the resource Testimony of Congressman James V. Hansen before the transportation subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee stating the reasons for funding to improve the interchange of I-15/US 89, with special mention of the Morton International Facility. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Hansen, James V. Subject The topic of the resource United States Highway 89 Roads Improvement--Utah Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 5/6/93 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Salt Lake City (Utah) Salt Lake County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1990-1999 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Papers of Congressman James V. Hansen, 1970-2003, COLL MSS 351 Series I Box 85 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. View the inventory for this collection at: <a href="http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv82138">http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv82138</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS351SerIBx85_Item_2.pdf Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/b3d77f928b392c419f19e10c8cf60e28.pdf a141affb023f955461494ecabc4f4f5b PDF Text Text TESTIMONY OF REP. JAMES V. HANSEN BEFORE THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMITTEE OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE APRIL 26, 1990 Mr. Chairman, in addition to my oral presentation before the committee, I appreciate the opportunity I have to submit this written statement for the committee record. On behalf of the constituents of the First District of Utah I am asking along with leaders from the state of Utah for $85,000,000 for the completion of upgrading u.s. 89 to a limited access expressway design. The reasons that we have come before the committee to seek funding for u.s. 89, between Burke Lane in Farmington, Utah, and Harrison Boulevard in Weber County, utah, are that the highway is excessively dangerous, the volume of traffic is too large for the size of the highway, and the local and state governments simply can/t afford to pay for the upgrade of u.s. 89. U.S. 89 is located along the Wasatch Front in the north-central part of Utah. It functions as a transportation link between Salt Lake city, Ogden, Hill Air Force Base, and the surrounding area. traffic. I~ is a It serves both local and commuter designa~ed route connecting Interstates 84 and 15 and is one of the only two north/south routes through Weber and north Davis Counties. As a young boy growing up in the area, I remember riding my bicycle up this road. The area was little more �than fruit orchards and rural farm land. since that time, the area surrounding the road has developed into one of Utah's fastest growinq population centers. Traffic has increased along the corridor approximately 135 percent since This traffic increase has resulted from both an 1970. increase in commuter traffic on u.s. 89 and increased local traffic traveling on and across the corridor. OVer twenty years ago, the emerging safety and conqestion problems of u.s. 89 were recognized, and the state of utah petitioned for federal money to develop the road an interstate. that into The application was not approved because, at time, the population and the traffic volumes on the road did not meet Federal Highway Administration standards. Since the recognition of the problem in the 1960 / s, the population and traffic volumes have increased to make u.s. 89 one of the most dangerous roads in the state. Before being elected to Congress, I served as an independent insurance agent in the area, and u.s. paid the most out to those injured on 89 was always where I u.s. 89. I can/t begin to enumerate on the number of deaths and serious accidents I bad to attend to alonq this twelve mile stretch of road. As I speak to my constituents at home and in conversing with my neighbors, I don't know of anyone who has not had a personal friend or ' relative injured or killed because of U.S. 89. To outline the situation, u.s. 89 divides the communities of Farmington, Fruit Heights, Kaysville, and Layton. The portions of these cities surrounding the highway �are completely residential. Over 125 streets and private drives have access to the highway. Presently, we have cars turning left on and off of the road, and, with no controlled access, you can ima9ine the safety implications. While the number of accidents are not abnormal for this type of road, the heavy congestion and cross traffic have caused the number of fatalities to be more than four times the normal rate. To add to the problem, the highway is a major connection route for trucks and automobile traffic between Interstate 84 and Interstate 15. There exists an alternate route to using Interstate 84, but the severe 6% grades that exist on I-80 through Parley's Canyon make using 1-84 the logical route. problem. Heavy truck use has been a major safety Requiring a truck going 55 mph to stop for a car turninq left onto the highway is an obvious threat to safety. At the expense of over $100,000, a study was conducted to find a solution to the problem. The wasatch Front Regional Council and the Utah Department of Transportation initiated the u.s. 89 Corridor study in response to the operational and safety issues of the Corridor. The study included a comprehensive analysis of the existing and future travel demands along u.s. 89 and concluded that the best solution is a limited access expressway design. Throughout the course of the study, local and state opinion has been sought. I am happy to say that at every �level we have received support for the limited access All local leaders responsible for cities expressway design. along the corridor have signed a petition of support. In addition, Governor Norman Bangerter, Senator Orrin Hatch, and Senator 3ake Garn have expressed their strong support for the highway_ According to other additional studies that have been conducted, the cost for the federal government to solve the problem by establishing an interstate would cost upwards of $l~O,OOO,ooo. The estimated cost for the limited access expressway design is $85,000,000. Presently, the state of Utah simply lacks the ability to fund the highway. The Utah State Department of Transportation estimates that given its present level of funding, it would take well over 15 years to finish the projeet. The safety and congestion problems continue to mount, and, if we do not move quickly, we will be faced with further loss of life. Mr. Chairman, in conclusion I would like to reiterate my support for the effort of the state of Utah to obtain $85 million to upgrade U.S. 89 in utah. The safety and congestion problems have become enormous and with a growing population the situation will only get worse. you again for permitting this testimony. Thank � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. 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Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 00959005005_1715_TexacoAhead.jpg Advertising and Marketing Road Signs Transportation https://highway89.org/files/original/af0b4b9dd8255af3f93c57ffd3df60ab.mp3 d32e0735f42440d5765054240e9252dd https://highway89.org/files/original/fe0d1ef3210c677f2d61ca7e5cac51c6.pdf c4cce95a61e96daf719459ad11e244a4 PDF Text Text LAND USE MANAGEMENT TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET Interviewee: Thadis Box Place of Interview: Mountain West Center for Regional Studies, USU Date of Interview: 21 March 2008 Interviewer: Recordist: Elaine Thatcher Elaine Thatcher Recording Equipment: Transcription Equipment used: Transcribed by: Transcript Proofed by: Marantz PMD660 Digital Recorder Power Player Transcription Software: Executive Communication Systems Glenda Nesbit Elaine Thatcher; Randy Williams (17 March 2011) Brief Description of Contents: Short demonstration interview at which several people were present, including Thad Box, Elaine Thatcher, Brad Cole, Randy Williams, Barbara Middleton, Bob Parson and Glenda Nesbit. The interview covers Box’s early years and education, including going to college on the GI bill and an epiphany he had after high school that directed his course of study from engineering to agriculture (ranching) related land use management. Reference: ET = Elaine Thatcher (Director, Mountain West Center for Regional Studies BP = Bob Parson (Interviewer; USU University Archivist) RW = Randy Williams (Interviewer; USU Folklore Curator) BC = Brad Cole (Interviewer; Associate Dean, USU Libraries) TB = Thad Box NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All additions to transcript are noted with brackets. TAPE TRANSCRIPTION ET: Okay, you hit, oops, I hit pause out of habit. Okay Thad. I’m with Thad Box. This is Elaine Thatcher and we are at the Mountain West Center for Regional Studies at Utah State University. It is March 21, 2008. And we are doing the first installment of an interview regarding land use and policy. Thad, would you say your whole name for me. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  1   �TB: My name is Thadis Wayne Box. ET: Thaddeus? TB: Thadis. T H A D I S ET: Oh. TB: I don’t think my mother knew how to spell. ET: (laughter) Okay. When were you born? TB: I was born 9 May 1929. ET: Where? TB: On the banks of the Little Llano River in Central Texas. ET: Is that where you grew up? TB: I grew up there in Burnet and Llano counties; two adjoining counties in the hill country in Texas. ET: That’s a beautiful part of Texas. Now I’m watching the meter – the meter is on the front that tells whether it’s too loud or too soft. So I’m keeping an eye on that as we go. Well, so how long did you live in Texas? TB: Oh I lived there; I guess I left in 194-, no 1959 when I came here. So I lived there, discounting the time I spent in the army. I was there from 1929 to 1959. ET: Wow. Okay. So its home. TB: its home. ET: Yeah TB: Well. Yeah. Cache Valley is also home. ET: So then you came here in 1959. TB: I came here in 1959 and I stayed here for three years until I took a job back down in Texas at Texas Tech, starting a Range Department there in directing the Arid Land Center. And then I came back here in 1970 as Dean. Retired here in 1989 after 20 years as Dean roughly, and then went to New Mexico State for an endowed chair down there. And then came back here after I retired the second time from New Mexico State; in 1996 when we came back. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  2   �ET: What… TB: We’re slow learners. This is our third time back in Cache Valley. (Laughter) We come and leave, we come and leave. ET: What draws you back each time? I mean, obviously one time it was a job. But what has brought you back? TB: The people and the country. You know, this is really where we grew up intellectually. You know the first time we went back to Texas after being up here we thought we wanted to go back to Texas and it was a bigger shock than coming in to Utah in the first place, going back, because we no longer belonged anyplace. And we grew up here intellectually with Fred Wagner and these other people that you’ll be interviewing. That they were our posse and this is the reason we keep coming back is because of the people here. ET: That’s great. Um, well, you have grown up into this, this land related profession. What brought you to your profession? TB: I think I was born into it. My family, (as far as I’ve traced them back to prerevolutionary time) were always people of the land. They were farmers and ranchers and moved west each time new land opened up. And then, I was born into a family there in Llano County that at that time, we were tenant farmers. Granddad and dad all lost their land in the Great Depression with …. We’ve got a bank crisis now, they had a bank crisis then and so we lost our land, we were back on the land as tenant farmers. And so I actually grew up with the land. I didn’t know anything else. ET: And then you went to school where? TB: I … Well I went to school at Southwest Texas State Teachers College for my first degree and Texas A & M for the Masters and Doctorate. I didn’t go to school, though, until after I went into the army. I wanted to go to school. Mother particularly and dad both, they’d neither gone past the grammar school area. But they wanted me to go to college. But I didn’t go because I just didn’t, until I got drafted into the army. And then when drafted in the army I went on the GI Bill and never stopped after that. ET: Mm-hm. And what did you major in? TB: Agricultural education in the first degree and then Range Ecology for a master’s and doctorate. I got into the Range program… I didn’t know there was such a thing as range management existed until one of my professors caught me one day. I was already in the process with the two other people building a radio station: I managed a radio station for a while. And we were building a new radio station and the professor, Leroy Young, stopped me in the hall, saw me looking at a bulletin board Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  3   �and said “You’re interested in range management?” And I said, “Yeah.” And he says “Come with me over to Texas A & M next week.” So I went over to Texas A & M and they offered me a fellowship and I sold out my part of the radio station and went back to school. ET: Hmm. Now I want to ask, I want to invite all of you if you see that I miss a followup, I mean or I might have been planning to ask it later. But if there’s a follow up question that you want to ask, raise your hand so that, so that I can call on you. Yes, Randy. RW: I was curious about your [attending] a teacher [college]. [Did you get a degree as a teacher at] a K-12 teacher at the Teacher’s College? TB: Yes. In fact I have a permanent teaching certificate, a high school teaching certificate which came into being during my first assignment here. The College of Natural Resources and the College of Education were having a big fight over who was to teach conservation education. And both colleges wanted it and the other one don’t. So finally the Dean of the Education College said the only way we can have this taught in natural resources is you have to have a certified teacher. And Whit Floyd who was Dean then came to the faculty and said “Does anybody in here have a teaching certificate?” I raised my hand and so I started teaching conservation education as an overload. They didn’t pay me extra for it. They didn’t give me any release time. “You just, you teach it.” And so I taught it. ET: Oh my gosh. BC: I was kind of curious, you mentioned the GI Bill. Could you talk a little bit about the impact that had on your generation in education? TB: Oh, well, absolutely. I think there were two great education acts. And neither of them really came across as an education act in the building of America as far as I’m concerned. The first one was the Morrell Act that established land grant colleges and we’re in one here today [Utah State University]. The other was the GI Bill, because what the GI Bill did was take a bunch of kids that had grown up in the cedar breaks or on cotton farms or somewhere else, drug them out, taught them a little sanitation and organization and then educated us. They sent us back and had us go to college, trade school, whatever we wanted to. But educate us. And if you look at what happened to the United States after that, when these people came into the work force, it literally changed this country. The captains of industry, the outstanding lawyers or politicians, all of them came out of that thing of where we dared to educate all the people. And I feel very strongly that that’s the responsibility of the people to educate themselves. And particularly educate the poor kids that aren’t going to get into college any other way. I wouldn’t have gone to college, in fact when I got out of high school I had, I think, six or seven different scholarships offered to me. I was Valedictorian of my class, I was a fair football Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  4   �player, and I could have gone to college, but I didn’t know how. I sent off to get the forms and they came back and they had stuff about student credit hours. I had no idea what they were. And I was too embarrassed to go and ask anybody else what they were. So I said I didn’t want to go to college. And went out building fence and doing what my people had done for years and years, and it wasn’t until I went into the Army. And to answer your question, a lot of people are like that. I’m not unique there. They simply didn’t know what was available out there. They didn’t know what ideas other people were thinking, or where you could get somebody interested in ideas other than how to make a living out of the land. ET: But you chose a land related college education and that… is that because you... why? Why was that? TB: This is going to sound corny but it actually happened. I was, after I got out of the Army for the summer I was running the jack hammer on a construction crew. I knew I wanted to go to college, but I had intended to be an engineer. Because I thought building bridges and all that sort of thing would be good. And I was working on construction and that seemed to be working out alright. And one afternoon after work I walked down and sat on a creek bank, looking down at, watching some cattle water down there. And a doe and fawn came up and watered down there. And I sat and looked at that. I said, “I don’t want to build bridges. I want to be back on the ranch somewhere. I want to be in ranching.” So that afternoon I decided that I’m going into agriculture. And the reason I took agricultural education I didn’t know anybody in any other form of agriculture, except the county agent and the ag teacher. Those were the only ones I’d had any contact with. ET: Was that moment strong enough to be called an epiphany? TB: I guess it’s an epiphany, yeah. I’ll go there with you. It was just I think facing up to what I really wanted, you know. I had thought, I considered law at one time, engineering. These were the sorts of things that they talk about that you go off and make a lot of money and do important things and I thought that was what I wanted. But when I came back and saw that doe and fawn down there on the creek bank, I decided I really wanted to be in the ranching business. And I kidded myself for many, many years, thinking that’s what I wanted to do even after I got in academia. I think one of these days I’ll make enough money to buy a ranch to go back to that. But I didn’t. ET: So you know what they say. The way to make a small fortune at ranching; start out with a big one. (laughter) Um, I had a similar experience, and you know I took… I took Western Literature from Tom Lyon here at USU back in the [19]80s and I remember he, one of his ideas was that people who become western writers who can be really identified as western writers are people who have in fact had some sort of an epiphany with the land. They’ve had some sort of experience that has Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  5   �transformed them. And brought them to a decision or has somehow changed their outlook or confirmed their outlook. And that’s why I ask, because it sort of sounds like one of those moments. TB: I don’t think I recognized it as that sort of a moment. It was just, you know, deciding that’s really what I want to do. I’ve been kidding myself, I don’t want to go off and wear a hard hat and design bridges and that sort of thing. I want to be out here with the cattle and deer and run a ranch. ET: That’s great. Well um, so let’s see, have we covered what all your professional training was? Have we, you had, you had your undergraduate degree. TB: I had an undergraduate degree then I did that in 2 ½ years. I came…. Well once I got out of the Army I decided I wanted to go through. So I went right through, summer school, everything else. Taking overloads every semester. And then we, I got a fellowship over at Texas A & M and went into Range Management work and had a really, luck I guess to be given a fellowship on the Rob and Bessie Welder Wildlife [Foundation] Refuge in South Texas. I was the first fellowship recipient there, where a wealthy oil man in South Texas had given his ranch and oil wells to a foundation to study wildlife in relationship to ranching. And so I was their first graduate student and I went down there and I learned a lot about research and ranching and so on. But I had very good fortune to be, meet a couple of people that really changed my life. And one of them was from here in Utah, Dr. Clarence Cottam. He was, came from down in Utah’s Dixie. He was Dean of Biology at Brigham Young [University] before he took the job down in Texas. And the other one was Caleb Glazener, a teetotoling Baptist from South Texas. And these two men, I think as far as their work ethic, their dedication to science, what they thought we ought to be doing, was more important than any academic work they did. Because they really believed that we were out there to do something for society, not to it; that our work had to make a difference. They wanted it to be good work. But they also wanted it to be applicable to the people in South Texas. ET: How do you spell Glazener? TB: GLAZENER ET: GLAZ TB: ENER ET: E N E R. And Cottam is C O T T AM? TB: COTTAM ET: Now tell me once more the name of the reserve? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  6   �TB: Rob & Bessie Welder (W E L D E R) Wildlife Refuge. Clarence Cottam’s brother Walter Cottam was the old ecologist down at the University of Utah. And their son is Grant Cottam or Walter’s son, Grant Cottam was the ecologist back at Wisconsin in you know, good blood lines and ecology came through their, got into my training very early. ET: That’s great. This is probably a point where we can stop. Is there anyone who wants to follow up with another question about his education? I think stopping at your education and we’re about to where we should end. I don’t want to stop. (laughter) TB: Well you didn’t stop with my education. My education really came after I got on the job out here in Utah. (laughing) BC: I have one more question, Elaine. When you got involved with looking at the wildlife and how it impacts ranching, where was that science at at that time period? Was it in infancy or were you building on another body of work or were you at the beginning of that? TB: I’m, I’m… BC: As far as, you know, you mentioned you went to this wildlife … TB: Yeah. BC…refuge to look at how ranching and wildlife coexisted. And I was wondering where the science was at that time TB: Oh, the science. Okay. The field. BC: The field. Was it in its infancy or… TB: It was in its infancy. And Mr. Welder was really a visionary, I think. Because his will that drew up the mission for that refuge is a classic. He wanted science, but he also wanted it to be practical and he wanted them tied together. And that foundation, now, I think, it turned out something like 250 or 260 Ph.D. candidates from all over the world. Anybody, after I came here on the faculty I had several students, Jim Bounds was one, that did work down there. You apply for a grant and you can send a student down there to do the work and the foundation covers all the work. But no it was sort of a ground-breaking idea of how do we make money out of ranching and still keep the wildlife and the community healthy. And the trustees that set that up were very careful. They did a nationwide search looking for people like that and they picked these two that I mentioned. Clarence Cottam, who had been the chief scientist for the Fish and Wildlife Service before he went to Brigham Young and then Caleb Glazener who was head of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  7   �Service at that time, and a world renowned wild turkey guy. So they put together some people that they knew and knew could do the work. Yeah, it was an early experiment in that sort of thing and it’s worked out very well. BC: Has it continued today? TB: Oh yes. Yes it has. I got their, their annual report just the other day and I think they have like 16 fellows down there now working on the refuge, which is interesting. When I was down there, well, they brought on two others right after I did. There were three of us, all males. This last group of 16 I think there are only three males, the rest of them are females. And there are a couple of Hispanics and at least one black woman there, which when I was down there you know, they had people of different colors and different jobs on the ranch. You just didn’t, you wouldn’t think about a scientist in a dark skinned person there. RW: I have a question. We may need to refine our questions about this. I just thought of, in some professions having a family, a wife. Some are more conducive to doing that than others. Like in our profession, folklore, public folklore, a lot of people can’t sustain a marriage because they’re gone a lot at night, they’re gone during, you know, just big chunks of time doing field work. Have you… where, did your marriage come in during this time? And your children? Is there, you know, does a spouse have to be on board with this kind of lifestyle? TB: Yes they do. And that’s a whole nother story. And that would take several tapes to tell that. But just the first one: I had just gotten married when I accepted the fellowship over at, at Texas A & M. And so Jenny went with me down to the Welder. And I didn’t have any field crew then and she was a city girl, she wasn’t very good at it, but she came out and helped me. She was in the field practically all the time every day. In fact, so much that when I finally got my first degree – the Master’s degree, the old soil conservation man in San Patricio County who had been out helping me and worked with me wrote the graduate dean and said would you please put Mr. and Mrs. on this degree. (Laughter) Because she was out there working with me every day. But where the strain really came in is later when I had projects in Africa and Australia and all over the world and would be gone, you know for a month or six weeks at a time and it’s hard on a wife to stay home and take care of the kids and so on when you’re doing things like that. ET: I hate to stop. But we’ll stop. TB: We’re going to get around to Logan Canyon sometime, aren’t we? (Laughter) ET: We will Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thad  Box,  21  March  208   Page  8   � https://highway89.org/files/original/90fdce30d777aec90d65d6713b3aacca.jpg 64dd5c4c56f2351616e18f3f810fe53e https://highway89.org/files/original/53d922cb2900fbf025c489bc6cd366a0.mp3 5e8dcc63c6172e841cc2e88cd28bb9a7 https://highway89.org/files/original/9d33c305b3289ce58ff347e2a82a61fa.pdf 4cbeb0158ba306efc5263da55d1fb797 PDF Text Text LAND USE MANAGEMENT TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET Interviewee: Thadis Box Place of Interview: Date of Interview: At Mr. Box’s home in Logan UT. April 1, 2008 Interviewer: Recordist: Bob Parson Bob Parson Recording Equipment: Cassette Recorder Transcription Equipment used: Transcribed by: Transcript Proofed by: Power Player Transcription Software: Executive Communication Systems Susan Gross Thad Box (4/4/09); Randy Williams (2011) Brief Description of Contents: The interview contains some childhood and pre-college influences on Thadis Box. He speaks of his education, mentors and of his subsequent career as a natural resource professor. Box speaks about his philosophy on ecology and land management practices, the development of natural resource management principles and how they may be extended and applied beyond land management. Reference: BP = Bob Parson (Interviewer; USU University Archivist) TB = Thad Box NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as “uh” and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcribed. All additions to transcript are noted with brackets. TAPE TRANSCRIPTION [Tape 1 of 2: A] BP: It is April Fools, so we want you to be honest! TB: Yeah, well I thought about putting a frog in your coffee cup, but I didn’t!! [Laughing] BP: I’m Bob Parson, I’m here with Doctor Thadis Box, former Dean of Natural Resources, Utah State University. We’re at his home on west Center Street. Beautiful home, first time I’ve been in here Thad. TB: Thank you. Well, I’ll show you around before you leave if you’d like. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  1   �BP: I’d appreciate that; a home with a lot of history in it. This was an Eccles home? TB: No, a Nibley. BP: Nibley home, right. Well we sort of started this interview a week or so ago; or two weeks ago when Elaine Thatcher began to interview you at the Mountain West Center on campus. And we discussed a little bit about your formative life and career in the Texas hill country. And I wanted to just sort of begin there and follow up. You mentioned a couple of mentors that you had down there. One was Clarence Cottam who was a Utah man. I wonder if he had any influence on you taking your initial position here in 1959? TB: Yes he did. In fact, he and my major professor (that I didn't mention) is also one of my mentors. Vernon Young, a direct descendant of Brigham Young, was my major professor. And when I graduated – both those people actually offered me jobs in Texas – but I had an offer from Utah State here. And I wanted to come up here because at that time Larry Stoddart and Wayne Cook and Art Smith were the big names in Range Management. I wanted a chance to work with them, so I came up here then. But they all gave me good recommendations and sort of clued me in on how to live in Utah, particularly Clarence Cottam. He was a very interesting guy. When I decided to take the job he brought me a stack of books. Clarence was a good Mormon – in fact I think he was stake president at the time. But he brought me books, not only by Mormons, but antiMormon books for me to read and said, “Get prepared to live in Utah, read these.” And we’d discuss them. BP: So he showed you both sides of the coin? TB: Yes, he did, he did. In fact one of the books that he recommended most highly had just come out at the time No Man Knows My History. BP: Wow. TB: By Fawn Brodie. And he said Fawn Brodie was a real scholar and that I should pay attention to what she wrote. And when I came up here I found out not everyone agreed with Dr. Cottam. In fact we lost a babysitter because she saw it in our house and left. BP: It was not well received in Mormonia. TB: Well one of the things I’ve learned living in Utah, coming in then, is that Mormons who are outside of Utah have a much different attitude toward the world and people around them and other religions, as you do once you get into Zion here. BP: Why do you think that is, Thad? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  2   �TB: Well I think they have to survive out there. They also get associated with people of all different religions and faiths and so on. And they just, I think have a broader view of the world. BP: Um-hmm. TB: They’re not any less a Mormon or for Mormons, I think those two men that I mentioned (Vernon Young and Clarence Cottam) are two of the finest men I’ve ever known and they lived the Mormon faith quite well, but they also let other people live their lives quite well! [Laughing] But that wasn’t what – has much to do with Logan Canyon I guess! BP: No! TB: It’s how I came here though. BP: But it is interesting and then that’s sort of background to the social landscape. I want to sort of follow up and I don’t know how many times you’d been here prior to your employment here, but what were your thoughts as you came into the mountain west, particularly Cache Valley, as compared to the hill country in Texas? TB: Well the first time I came here I had been to a meeting in Great Falls, Montana and drove down through Logan Canyon, stopped here and visited the university and then out. And at that time I was just overwhelmed at the beauty. I never thought I would live here at the time that we came through. And I was particularly impressed with Cache Valley. One of my earliest memories about that were the Lombardi Poplar trees lining the irrigation ditches, delimiting the fields; when you drove into the valley you could see it laid out like a map with the trees around the properties. BP: A distinctive part of the historic Mormon landscape. TB: Yeah, yes. And those trees disappeared in the ‘60s – earlier than that. When I left here in ’59 there were still lots of trees and I came back in ’70, most of them were gone. BP: What do you attribute that to? The short life of the trees? TB: Oh no. I attribute it to – I know why – because there was a movement with the federal aid program to farmers to save water, to get rid of poplar trees. And they paid people to kill them. And so they took them out all over the nation, not just in Cache Valley. So it was a subsidized government program that took them out. But anyway, back to what I felt like when I came into the mountain west. Let me go back -- that was my first trip through here, just a fleeting trip. BP: What year would that have been? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  3   �TB: That was in, must have been 1957; 1957. Then I came back here in 1959 as a professor, or Assistant Professor in the Range Department. I was hired over the telephone and with telegraphs (we didn’t have emails then); didn’t come up for an interview. BP: Didn’t fly you out? TB: Didn’t fly me up, no. And Jenny had never been in this part of the country at all. And we left College Station with a new car – ’59 Chev – and a trailer on behind it that I built myself out of an old Ford delivery wagon; looked like something going to Oklahoma! All of our possessions in it, and a kid that was just learning to walk. And as we drove west out through New Mexico – we’d spent quite bit of time in New Mexico – and into Colorado and then into Utah, we were more and more impressed at the vastness of the country, the friendliness of the country. Our first impression of Utah, we stopped in Monticello to get gasoline and the guy came up and he was wiping our windows (which they used to in the service stations) and he stuck his head in and saw our son and he said, “Do you need a doctor?” and we said, “No, we’re all right.” And he said, “Well we have a doctor.” Which rather surprised me, and I said, “Oh yeah, you do?” And he said, “Yeah we finally got one, he’s here now, he’s in town.” [Laughing] He started telling me about the doctor and I don’t remember what he was. He was some sort of a foreigner. But they were just really pleased to tell somebody that stopped to buy gasoline that they had a doctor in that town! And so that was sort of a shock – was Utah really this backward that nobody has doctors? -- Because we didn’t know. And we came on up here, drove into Cache Valley from the south and over the old road – not the one that goes up Wellsville Canyon now – the old Sardine Canyon road. We were really impressed; got in here really tired. I think we’d driven from Moab that day, a long trip with a trailer on behind us, anyway, and tired. Got a motel, got in and I called my professor –Larry Stoddart (this was in middle of the afternoon), he said, “Well come over for supper.” Which I thought was fine. And he said, “I’ll pick you up in a couple of hours” which he did. He drove us over to the house, it was summer so it was long days, and we ate a barbecue or something he cooked in the backyard. And then he loaded us up and took us up Logan Canyon. After all this driving, I thought, “My gosh, why is he going to give us another trip up the canyon?” But I was young and polite and thought he was going to tell me about range management. But he didn’t. He drove up the canyon, he pointed out the camping places, he pointed out fishing holes. He stopped and showed us this trail where their little boy learned to walk; we could go up that trail. And he talked about Logan Canyon like he was sharing a special gift to us. Even as tired as we were and wanted to get home and wanted to get the kid to bed, we were impressed at him giving us the gift of the canyon and told us about it. And it turned out to be one of the greatest gifts that we got when we came to Logan because for the many years we’ve been here, anytime we feel frustrated or tense we go up Logan Canyon. We did it with the kids when they were little, they were raising Cain with us and having trouble, we’d just load up and take them up the canyon, let them play in the water or go for a hike or something else. And as the kids left, Jenny and I now in the summer time, I’d say probably three times a week we have supper up the canyon. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  4   �BP: What’s your favorite spot up there? TB: Oh, I’m not going to give you the exact spot! Our favorite spot, and in fact the one last summer when Jenny and I were sitting up there and we were talking about getting near the end of life we decided that’s where we want our ashes to be scattered after the medical students get done carving or whatever they’re going to do [laughing] (we’re going to donate our bodies). But then I understand they cremate the remains and send them back to the family. So we’re going to have to tell them where it is. It’s up near Tony Grove, but it’s not at Tony Grove. It’s a place where you can stop your car and walk about 150 yards I guess and be completely out of the hearing of the cars and a little stream running by. I guess that’s the favorite place; one of the favorite places. BP: How important is it to humanity to have that solitude; to have places like that? Obviously to Lawrence Stoddart it was very important. That’s the first place he took you; the first thing that he wanted to show you. TB: Yeah, that had always impressed me. You know as tired as we were and the kid wanting to go to bed, he felt like he had to show us that canyon and I appreciate it. But your question how important is it? I don’t know. I think it’s important and reading psychological literature and recreation literature that I’ve done, I don’t know how important it is but it’s important for people to have some way of relaxing an getting the worries of the day out of the way. People do it many different ways. One of the great things about living here is that there are so many outdoor areas where you can go and get away. An example of that, when I found out about the 9/11 attacks I’d been at a meeting in the morning and didn’t know about it and came back in here about 10 o’clock. And my daughter in law who lived in town at the time called wanting to get together with family. Well I tried to get in touch with them and she’d picked up Paul and they’d gone somewhere else, so I just drove up the canyon. And I drove up to a place up in the Tony Grove area and walked, got away from everybody and wrote a poem (which later became a column that I published here in the local paper). But it was just having a place to go and sit and think without other people bothering you. And that’s very important. I’m rambling now, but that’s a way of answering your question. I don’t know how important it is. Some people, those that live in Tokyo or somewhere where there is no outdoors must find another spot, but it’s essential, I think, for human beings to have a way to get away from others. BP: Well I think you know, we are very fortunate here because in large cities – I mean that’s the argument used for the preservation of parks and open spaces and things like that. And we have the most beautiful park imaginable right up here in these mountains. TB: Oh yes. And Logan Canyon is a real treasure – but it’s not only the mountains and the public land and that direction; you can go west and then marvelous deserts in an hour’s drive. East it’s a little quicker; ten minutes from now I can be up and away from people. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  5   �One of the interesting things now with all the increase in population, number of people, you can still go up Logan Canyon and get out of your car and walk a quarter of a mile and be completely away from people. I don’t think many of the newcomers realize this; they drive up the road, they don’t bother just to pull up a side canyon and stop and start walking. BP: I think it is a unique canyon. I don’t have a lot of experience, but one time we were in Denver (lived there for a summer) and the canyons around Denver and around Boulder and places like that, you can’t do that. It’s all private property – a lot of it is. TB: You’re right. And in fact that’s one reason that we live in Utah. We live in Utah for the people and for the scenery and other things. But one of the reasons we live in Logan is that we have public land on all sides of us. And I have more freedom to get out and traipse around over the land now than I would’ve had I stayed in Texas and owned one of the largest ranches in Texas. I could not take 10 million dollars and buy the kind of space that I can use here, in my home town in Texas. Yeah, having public land is one of the main – BP: No public lands in Texas. TB: Oh, no. Just small blocks, little state parks and I think a couple small National Forests. BP: When you got here and accepted your first position, how long were you here before you left to go to New Mexico? TB: Oh, to go to New Mexico we were here thirty-something years. When I left the first time I went back to Texas. BP: Oh, right Texas. Oh, okay. TB: Yeah. Well we were here three years in the first hitch. Yeah. BP: Three years. And how was the discipline of range management and talk a little bit more about Art Smith and Larry Stoddart and Wayne Cook. TB: Well the discipline of Range Management, Forestry, all the natural resource professions were in a phase of what I call “rehabilitation” or rebuilding the landscape. As I look back at policy changes through the centuries, the first 100 years or so, up until about 1900 our national policy was to conquer nature: get people out, settle the land. And it was the right thing to do – I’m not denigrating our people, they had to settle the country, bring it under control; bring it to bear. And then we went through a period of time when we started trying to preserve things: setting aside national parks, setting aside national forests, and so on with preservation. And then just about the time of the dust bowls in the ‘30s the professions switched to one of trying to rebuild the thing that had already been messed up. You know we went from exploitation to trying to preserve it and seeing that wasn’t Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  6   �working, and let’s rebuild it. And that was the stage that Range Management was in in the 1950s when I came in. This school here, Utah State University, had a particular important role in that. They first started teaching Range Management, Watershed Management, Forestry in 1914. And it wasn’t until 1918 that they had a full curriculum under a man named Becraft started the program here. And then in 1928 there became a Forestry School added Forestry to Range Management and Watershed Management, brought in several other people and then the people that I came in contact with Art Smith, Larry Stoddart and Wayne Cook – they were sort of the second or third wave that came in, mostly just before World War II. And they are really the ones that made the big impression on the rest of the world of what was happening here in Utah. Stoddart and Smith wrote a textbook that was first published in 1943 I believe (it may have been published before that); they outlined the principles of Range Management that were used all across the world then. BP: I believe it was called Range Management. TB: Yeah it was, Range Management by Stoddart and Smith. And that was the reason I wanted to come here because they were the real leaders in this place. Very good scientists and amazing people. Stoddart was trained in the Nebraska School of Ecology and had that approach of Ecology and succession and brought that to this country. Art Smith was raised in Providence, went to school here, studied under Becraft (the first guy that I talked about) and then went to California and to Michigan for advanced degrees. And so he brought to the table the whole contact with the local people because he was the local people. You know I would often see him up the canyon on a horse. In fact some of the early students that you may interview in this series will talk about Art Smith riding his horse up to teach summer camp or breaking a colt the same time he was teaching kids. And so these were I’d say two gents in the field that I was very fortunate in being able to study with. BP: What was the reaction from resource users during that early period when the profession was trying to make inroads in to rebuild? TB: It was mixed as it is today. You know the more progressive farmers and ranchers and users of the land saw the value of science and how to apply it. And having worked both in private and public land states, I’d say in private land states they are more ready to accept this because it was their land that they were improving and they could see. Here in the intermountain west many of the users of the public land resisted very strongly any sort of regulation or any college people telling them what to do. I think the reasoning was that attitude was tied in to the loss of permits. Because the public land was managed with the laws that went into effect in the 1930s. Land was adjudicated and people had the privilege to graze a number of animals on each given allotment. And then as science came in and began to evaluate and say that many of them were overstocked. In fact I’d say most of them were overstocked. And so one of the tools was bringing the vegetation Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  7   �carrying capacity into equilibrium with the number of animals that were on there. And most people then had to have their number of animals reduced. The people who had those permits saw it as a loss of livelihood. That’s where there were really, really great conflicts over the years that continued and still continue to this day but not as much as when I came here in the ‘50s. It was probably at a peak then. There were a lot of new Forest Rangers coming in that were dead set to get the land back to where it could graze animals sustainably and there were people dead set that they weren’t going to take any animals off the land. And so it became very bitter and difficult situation. BP: During your long tenure here in the Valley have you seen positive changes in the vegetation and things up the canyon? TB: Oh yes! If we had a video and when the snow melts I could take you and show you places where Benny Goodwin (who was another young professor at the time that I was here) and I built exclosures up Right Hand Fork and down Left Hand Fork on the other side. The land was completely bare. Now the posts are still there for the exclosures but the wire was taken up a number of years ago by the Forest Service. But there’s no difference. There’s vegetation inside and outside the exposure now. It’s all healed over; the stream banks are healing over. When I was here in 1959-60 putting up those exclosures it was bare soil. It was just really beat out and grazed out, particularly in the bottoms. Up Temple Fork and Spawn Creek and that area, was an area where when I taught summer camp the first time in 1959, I’d take students to that Spawn Creek, Temple Fork area to do their exercises and we would find areas – most of them were completely grazed out. You could not find a whole lot of stuff except shrubs for them to work on. We’d have to pick around to find the kind of vegetation we needed to do our exams. And it was a good place to give a variation of different conditions as you went away from the creeks or rivers up the side hill. So we had all that, but yeah. To answer your question there is much, much more vegetation here – herbaceous vegetation – than there was when I came here in 1959. BP: And that should benefit not only the land, but it should benefit the permittee too. TB: Yes it would. And I think the permittees are – I’ve not been directly involved with them in the last decade, but it seems to me that there’s more understanding of what they’re trying to do and willingness to graze them efficiently than there was before. BP: What are your thoughts on the two extremes? You mentioned the one extreme of grazers in the early period that wanted essentially to put as many animal units up there as they could possibly put, and the other extreme that says, “Get them all out.” Is there a place for livestock on the mountain? TB: Of course there’s a place for livestock on the mountain. And in any argument, the extremes are both wrong, when you get right down to it. The objective should be (on Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  8   �private land or public land) particularly on the public land, where we’re trying to keep it for future generations is to use it with whatever use you want to, but use it sustainably – that meaning that it would perpetuate itself and options would be left open for future generations. You know a few generations ago the main use they wanted to make of land was livestock or cutting timber from it and sod. Now this generation has many different ideas. Some of them still want to grow livestock up there; some of them want to use it for just a watershed to make sure we have plenty of clear water; others may want to ski on it or something else. But the point is we ought to manage the land so that future uses will not be cut out, that they’ll be available. We may not even be able to imagine what the future uses are. So that means that the productive base itself – the plants and the soil – have to be kept healthy and there to serve whatever needs we want in the future. BP: Was that the intent of the Multiple Use Land Act in the mid-70s? To try to – TB: Sort of. It was also somewhat of a political tool. The intent of the act that set aside the National Forest, the act that created the Bureau of Land Management to manage the trade lands, all those – the intent was to develop some sort of sustainable uses on the land. They didn’t say it that way in those days, but that was the intent. You can go back and look at the arguments and the intent of Congress – that’s what they wanted was to perpetuate a healthy landscape in the long period of time. The Multiple Use Sustained Yield Act came out mainly because of the arguments between environmentalists and users – whether they be foresters or cattlemen or whatever else. And one of the political compromises said let’s put it in the law that we should have multiple uses and sustained yield. They spelled out the multiple uses pretty well, but they didn’t really understand what they were talking about with sustained yield. And the reason I said earlier it was somewhat a political act was that they wanted to guarantee future use of livestock or timber, and all these other things on the land and then threw in the sustained yield because they were looking again at the future of some sort. BP: What does sustained yield mean? How do you define that? TB: Well, how I define it and how it’s defined in the act and some other things are slightly different. Sustained yield in the acts of Congress usually mean that you can continue to produce timber or whatever product it is in perpetuity. In my definition of sustained yield is that sustained yield is something that is using a resource or a unit of any kind to where it can remain healthy and viable and keep options open for future generations. There are several general principles that I think one needs to do when they’re talking about sustained yield. One is that there should be equity and justice in the present generation and the generation – [Stop and start recording] [Tape 1 of 2: B] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  9   �BP: Okay we’ve turned the tape over here and Dr. Box was speaking about sustained yield before. I’m not quite sure when that ran out – it cut some of your words off. But anyway, let’s – TB: Okay well let me back up and talk about what my definition of what it takes to have sustained yield of anything – whether it’s a human community or a plant community. The first is that there is equity and justice in the current generation. By that I mean that the individuals in the generation, whether they be plants, or animals, or people have the opportunity to grow and prosper and reproduce. If they don’t reproduce there’s no way you’re going to have sustained yield. The second thing is that there should be equity and justice in future generations so that these generations can be passed one to the other; again, whether we’re talking about grass on a rangeland or people in a human community. And the third one that ties those two together is that the system has to have some sort of trans-generational transfer to where you could transfer things from the present generation into the future. And this includes genetic transfer, which we know about, it also includes cultural transfer – that you have to be able to transfer the values from one generation to the other. Again whether it’s animals knowing how to graze and why to fence that area, or people. And in all these the long term health of the system has to take priority over short-term gain and if it doesn’t then you lose sustainability. So all these put together is what I call sustained yield, or sustainability, is that we have a system that will continue in perpetuity. It doesn’t speak to uses, it doesn’t speak to “we’re going to use the range for sheep or we’re going to use it for steers.” What it does is that we keep the system healthy so that whatever the future generation wants can use it for that. And they have the obligation to use it so if somebody wants to go and run giraffes on it later they can! BP: Can I make an observation? TB: Yeah. BP: It seems to me that you’re lifelong study of vegetation and grass and rangelands and stuff has philosophically moved way beyond that to embrace the whole human condition. TB: Well I think we have to. I mean, we are humans so we have to look at the human condition. But we can learn a lot from looking at a piece of rangeland. BP: Um-hmm. TB: We can learn a lot if we stick to principles rather than get to arguing over uses or are we going to use this land for recreation and run motorized vehicles on it or are we going to run sheep on it? You know, you back up and look at that. The other thing that I didn’t mention in my little definition of sustainability is that we have to look very carefully at the interconnections and the interconnectedness of the system. The connections in the system may be as valuable or more valuable than the system itself, so you don’t want to break any of those connections. I get irritated. In the paper today there somebody was talking about sustained growth in Cache Valley. You can’t have sustained growth unless Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  10   �you are very careful in how you define growth. Growth in any reasonable definition is getting bigger or getting more of it. And so if you get more and more and bigger and bigger you eventually can’t get any bigger; you fill everything up. So the only way you can have sustained growth is to not consider growth getting larger or more economically productive or more people or anything else, but in quality. If you define growth as getting to be better quality then you can have sustained growth. And I’m way off range management now! [Laughing] BP: Well I don’t think you are because it comes down to an economic argument and the reason people wanted to put more and more animals on to the public land was because that was more and more revenue. It may be a quantum leap for some, but it’s not for me, to see the reason that people want more and more subdivisions and more and more commercial growth is to have more and more revenue. TB: Oh, of course! BP: That becomes one of the arguments. I think that your generation has been able to make that argument more effectively on the mountain up here than they have as far as the growth in communities. TB: You know one of the discouraging things is first, I would agree with you that I think people that came before me and hopefully my generation has done a pretty good job of taking care of the mountain, showing how it can be used. But the people as a whole have not come along with this. You know, they’ve become more and more disassociated with natural processes and are into artificial subsets of the main processes, whether it’s in the stock market or whether it’s painting houses or something else, and they don’t get back to looking at principles. And I just really get excited and celebrate when I hear somebody at any level – whether they’re a businessman or a politician or something else – that starts talking about principles and looking at how we can fit this in with the problem. BP: Um-hmm. I tend to get too far field too. But I just want to ask you because I know you mentioned before the connection with the land and how you had that connection in Texas and how you wanted to continue to have that connection. And fewer and fewer of us are able to have a connection with the land, and maybe that’s why there’s the disconnect between what you’re talking about as far as sustainability and human communities. TB: Oh, it absolutely is. It’s a big societal problem is that there are so few people that ever even have contact with the land. Fortunately I see a trend now in trying to get people back in touch with the land. There have been several people in education start looking at the ideas of getting people out and getting their hands dirty and getting them into their yards or leaving some natural areas and getting kids out into it. And I think it’s important at a very early age if we can. Most of the kids in America today – the only association that they have with the land is probably recreational experience: they went to a park; they went to Yellowstone one time. They don’t have the opportunity to get out and get themselves dirty. There was a little soapbox article in the Herald Journal last week (I forget the guy’s name) up in Preston that works in the D.I. up there that wrote about his Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  11   �backyard. And I just wanted to celebrate because he was talking about as a kid getting out there and the battles that he fought and how he won the NBA in the dirt and getting dirty and having forts that he defended against all comers. All those things they are important. And the kids I think want that. I have grandkids and one of the things that is most enjoyable to me is to go out with the little two year old and that they get more interested in the earthworm than they do in me! You know that is an exciting thing! But they’ve constantly got pressures from something else because they live in a different world. A couple of years ago when my grandson William was about just maybe two and a half, three years old – he was “helping” me (to use the word loosely) in my flower garden outside. I try to get the kids to work with me out there. And he found a dead butterfly and he brought to me and said, “Grandpa, make it fly.” And I said, “It can’t, its dead.” And he said, “Well put in new batteries.” BP: Wow! That speaks volumes there! TB: Right! Yeah. “Put in new batteries Grandpa.” And I couldn’t put in new batteries, but it was a moment to stop and talk to him about why you couldn’t put in new batteries when you found a dead butterfly. BP: How important in the training of students, how important was that summer camp up the canyon by Tony Grove? TB: Again, how important, I don’t know. I think it is extremely important in teaching anyone, not just natural resource people, but people that are studying to be natural resource professionals, need hands-on experience. Just like I was talking about the little kids need hands-on experience. They need to get out; they need to be able to identify the plants, they need to be able to fight a fire, they need to be able to do the sorts of things that you can’t do indoors. And that summer camp was a marvelous opportunity to do that. My first experience in teaching in Utah was in summer camp. I came here at the first of June in 1959 and Larry Stoddart told me we’re not going to have you teach anything this summer, I want you to travel with the other professors and get out and see their experiments; we have some money we can set up a little experiment for you, but we want you to get acquainted with this country. On July 3rd my phone rang and it was my department head, Stoddart said, “I’m going to have to go back on my word. Wayne Cook who teaches summer camp, his mother died back in Kansas and he’s going. You’ll have to start Monday morning.” That was a Friday! [Laughing] And I panicked! I didn’t know what – “What am I going to do!” I didn’t even know what -- . And he said, “Wayne his notes and curriculum stuff up in his office. You can go up and get it and look at it.” And I went up and looked and I didn’t really understand it. Benny Goodwin was here and I talked to Benny and he said, “Let’s go up and give you a short course.” So we went up the canyon and Benny walked around identifying plants. I didn’t even know the plants! I was raised down in Texas and these were whole new plants and stuff to me. So we spent all Fourth of July with Jenny taking care of the baby down on the Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  12   �river and Benny Goodwin and I walking around looking at plants. I took a Life magazine with me and he’d tell me the name of a plant and I’d throw it in there and write its name down. And we got about 100 plants. (No, that was Saturday. Sunday was the Fourth of July.) And I went up – Jenny and I alone – on the Fourth of July and we picked up all the – went through this again and I learned it. And then on the 5th of July, Monday, I was professor and I went in and talked to these kids. And I asked some of them afterwards (Jim Bowns, I think you’ll interview him this project later on, was one of the students there) and I asked them, “Did you know just how scared I was?” And they said, “No! We thought you were the professor.” But I did. So I learned as I went along there. BP: Those would have been upperclassman – didn’t they take this they’re senior --? TB: They took it between the sophomore and junior years. But these were mostly veterans that I was teaching there. Most of them were as old or older than I was. But anyway, my point is that being able to get out on the land with them and talk about principles of land management and so on. They didn’t know but I knew that land that I was standing on – I happened to have that crash course and being able to put names on plants and tell them what the grass was and being able to look at the leaf of a Poa to tell a Poa from a Festuca and so on and they thought I knew everything, but I didn’t. But to answer your question, in that two month’s time that we had them we were able to get these students to get a very good feel of what they would be learning the next two years. That’s the reason we did it between the sophomore and junior year because you keep tying back to that. You can take a field trip up there to show them later on. I think that sort of an opportunity is essential, and I think we’ve lost something that we no longer do it. We’re not the only college. A lot of colleges stopped. In fact, even medical schools and veterinary school and so on now do most of their work with computers and with simulations rather than with the real stuff. And you can do a lot with simulations, but I think if you put the two together you’d have much, much better stuff. You could run the simulations then go out and look at it, or collect the data and then run simulations. BP: Do you have any observations as to why you think that that has progressively been downplayed? And like you say it’s across the board in academia. TB: Oh yeah. Well, yeah I have some examples of that. It also ties into policy. Some years ago – in fact in the early ‘90s the Forest Service switched over and accepted the fact that MBAs had been saying that you could be a Forest Ranger without knowing the forest. You know, if you were a good manager you could do it. Prior to that if you went out on a piece of land you expected the public land manager to know everything there was about it. You know, you need to know the name of the plants, you need to know all the wildlife there, you need to know where the drainages were and how much water was in them – roughly, you know you didn’t have to put a weir in every one of them but you had to know whether it was a permanent spring or not. And that gave a different kind of management than the people that look at outcomes or data that they gather and the only thing that they can gather are the vegetation and climate and soils and so on, and then make projections from that. There’s a big difference, I think in the understanding this. And as you said it’s not just in natural resources, it’s in all academia. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  13   �One of my students here that I had in summer camp went on to become a veterinarian. He went to Colorado State and I saw him a couple of years ago. He’s now a very wealthy and famous dog surgeon down in Phoenix. And he takes on, he said, about five or six interns a year to teach them how to do surgery and so on. When he was at Colorado State, Colorado State collected the old greyhounds at the race track there. And it was his job to prepare them, cut them up, get them ready to ship to other veterinary schools. And he handled thousands of dogs before he ever operated on one. And now there are very few people who have ever had that opportunity to be able to really look and dissect an animal. And the same thing happens on the range lands. BP: Well I’ll put you on the spot a little bit, but don’t you think that’s – I mean, when you get some grazer, some rancher that’s been up here and knows every nook and cranny of these mountains or out in the BLM country or something like that, and then you have somebody that the Forest Service or the BLM sends in to manage that and they don’t know anything about the landscape itself – doesn’t it leave the bureaucracy struggling for legitimacy? TB: Yes it does. And it makes both the ranger or whoever it is – the manager – and the permittee both at a disadvantage because they aren’t communicating. One of the most important things, I think, in being a good land manager on public lands is not just their technical ability, but their ability to communicate; to come in and talk the same language, to be able to get out and listen to what this old guy that you’re talking about that knows every nook and cranny, to be humble enough to say, “Would you take me up to that draw sometime and show me that spring is a permanent spring and maybe we can improve it some way;” instead of just trying to hide behind a regulation or a law. In my many years of natural resource education in several states and in another country in Australia even, we did you know, hundreds of surveys of people try to find out what we should be teaching our kids. Very seldom did we ever get a comment that said that these kids don’t know their trees or their grass or their animals or anything. But every time we’d get bundles of stuff to teach these kids to talk, teach them to write, teach them to think, teach them to get along with people. And part of this is a problem because the people that at least used to go into natural resources self-selected because they were the kind of people that liked to go out in the woods and not talk to anybody. And so you were automatically working with a bunch of kids that weren’t really skilled with getting along with other people. BP: When you came back here the second time as Dean, that was a period of time – in the ‘70s, right? TB: Yes. BP: That was a period of time there were a lot of those kind of people that self-selected to get into natural resource management and those kinds of things. I guess maybe part of that was the movement of the time. Will you speak a little bit about that? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  14   �TB: Oh yeah. My 20 years as Dean here I saw all the extremes. We were talking about extremes earlier. In the early 1970s we had the largest enrollment in Natural Resources here that’s ever been in history – and probably ever will be. We were up to 12-1300 kids one year. I taught a freshman class that the room seated 314 kids, and like the airlines I would usually overbook to sign up maybe 330 and I’d think that they all wouldn’t show up, but they did all show up! And others walked in off the halls. And I had them standing up and the Fire Marshall writing me nasty notes about too many people in there. But it was a time when a lot of people were really wanting to get back to nature, get out in the woods. It was, you know near the end of the – well, it wasn’t the end, they didn’t see the end in sight,– the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War was hanging over people; the bomb was very real. They were scared there might not be a tomorrow. The bomb was going to be dropped. The whole attitude of society was building into these kids that they had to make use of the world right now and a way to make better. They wanted to get away from the war; they wanted to get away from the bomb. They wanted to rebuild the earth. And it was a marvelous time as far as getting people into education. But the change wasn’t taking place out on the land. The people were going along just as they always had. And so there was a conflict there between these idealistic young people coming in and the old timers and the users. You know one of the things we said then – you’d get into a mob running behind it and say, “Wait a minute, wait a minute, where are your leaders?” Because there were new people out doing the leading then. And almost all the ‘50s were that way with students. And up until that time most the people that went into natural resources, we assumed would get a job in natural resources. You know there was always a demand for a Forest Ranger or a Range Manager or a Wildlife technician or somebody like that. These kids were coming in – they didn’t want a job, necessarily. They wanted to learn something about the earth and a way to get out and make it better. They had just as soon go into the Peace Corps and teach English as they would to work on forestry. There was a whole different bunch of people that came in and the profession changed because of it. And I think it changed for the better in many ways. BP: Um-hmm. And some of the people that we’ll be interviewing – I don’t know most of them, I know Barbara has spoken with them, but some of these are products of that time period. TB: Oh yes, yes. In fact looking down her list a lot of those are products of that time period. BP: How do you think their idealism changed once they got out – of course you’d have to ask them that for sure? TB: Yeah, you’ll have to ask them that. Those that you’ll be interviewing are the ones that stayed in natural resources mainly. Well, no I noticed a couple on there that became Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  15   �school teachers and other things. But yeah, you’ll have to ask them that. But I’d like to think that their grounding in ecology – we made attempts to get even those big classes out on the land and to get them to think about the land – I think made a difference in whatever they carried on. And I would argue that part of general education should be a land-oriented course somewhere to where you get out and make contact with the land. But they don’t do it; its hard work and such things as liability laws make a big difference now. When I first started teaching we went on a field trip and we’d say, “Who wants to take their car?” And they’d raise their hands and we’d take a bunch of cars up there – wouldn’t dare do it now because you’d be subject to all sorts of lawsuits. BP: You wouldn’t even dare take a bus unless you’ve got some sort of liability coverage. Yeah, that’s definitely been a limiting factor than before. TB: Okay – one of the objectives that I understand of this oral history project is to look at how policy has effected land management. And you hinted on one policy there that I want to go back and sort of emphasize – and that’s a policy in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s: opening up the management of resources to non-resource people. And it was done for really good reasons – Affirmative Action to get more women and minorities in there and so on. But it broke down that idea that the manager had to be conversant with the land; that they had to know how to manage things. And this didn’t just go on in the natural resource professions. Where I first noticed it was in US Aid because we had a lot of overseas projects at the time. And it started with the Reagan Administration and went on through. There was the idea that if you had an MBA you could manage anything, you know. You didn’t need to know what you were dealing with; that if you had the principles of management, you could manage it. And I saw very good aid programs overseas that were dealing with very primitive people in agriculture – completely destroyed because they were looking for all the reports and management and so on. So that was one thing: the change of attitude that managers could manage anything. BP: Can I inject something? TB: Yeah. BP: What drove this? What’s the dog that was wagging the tail in this? Politics? TB: Yeah, it’s politics. And most politics are politics because there’s a real reason out there somewhere that people are interested in. Politicians don’t dream up things to irritate people – which most people think they do! [Laughing] They have an ideal or philosophy that they want to get in. And I think this leads to what I was going to say. The second thing that you probably won’t have many people talk about policy in natural resources that I think had a huge influence, that was the idea of privatizing everything. And it came in with the Reagan Administration. And this idea of getting MBAs and so on was part of the idea of privatization. And how privatization affected public land Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  16   �management is something that was pretty well hidden, you didn’t see it. But instead of the rangers taking care of the campgrounds, for instance, and hiring a natural resource student who would go up there and empty the garbage cans and get some on hand training and so on – they contracted it out to a contractor who hired the cheapest labor he could get (maybe an illegal alien, maybe his kids, somebody else to do it). And you broke this chain of people working with the land, starting out doing the very simple sorts of things and then working up to someday heading the Forest Service. And you’ll hear those stories of people that started out emptying garbage cans. That didn’t happen once you started privatizing things and outsourcing the management. It was more visible in the Park Service where they brought in people. The biggest Park Service manager now I think started out providing meals for prisons, but they got a contract to manage the Park Service. So they came in and eventually they take over everything. And that happened in all the land resource management. So I’d say that was one of the big policy changes that affected land management and it won’t even come up on your radar on most people you talk about. They’ll talk about the National Forest Management Act, they’ll talk about NEPA, they’ll talk about all these things that are very important; but the hands-on implementation came about with the idea that we’re going to privatize the functions of whatever agency it was. BP: Well, so when you do that then again it comes down to the bottom line – it comes down to economics rather than trying to get people involved in this system of managing our lands. If a person is getting paid to empty garbage cans, that’s all they care about. If they’re getting paid a little something to empty garbage cans, and it allows them to get up into the mountains, into the campgrounds where they want to be eventually as a professional, then it’s a different story, right? TB: Yeah, but the sad thing is if you look at the economics of it, the privatization usually ended up costing more rather than less. BP: Well, you know I’m making another jump here, but look what’s happened to the military privatization, I mean. TB: Yes! No you’re not making a jump – you’re going back to the principle. I was talking about principles and they came in, primarily in the Reagan Administration and they’ve gotten a little bit the idea that private enterprise can do a better job than the public in anything. And there are people that held workshops and so on that argued that you should privatize everything including the fire department and police department. BP: Prisons. TB: Prisons, yeah. [Stop and start recording] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  17   �[Tape 2 of 2: A] BP: This is tape two; Thad Box and Bob Parson speaking this morning, April 1st, 2008. You were talking Thad, about privatization of public agencies. TB: Yeah, I’d gotten off on this thing of how policy affects management and saying that I think one of the biggest policy changes that has affected land management is the privatization of the management of many of our resources. Which I got started in earlier that I mentioned that it lead to selecting managers who understood managing businesses rather than managing land and I think those two are tied together. And the privatization started out very slowly with some of the more recreational lands like the national parks and then maybe some of the military lands that need to be managed, then gradually got into the actual land management agencies like the Forest Service and the BLM. Another policy issue that has greatly affected land management, not only here in Logan Canyon but worldwide, and that’s been the relative decline in the availability of research monies. The money available to do land management research has gradually gone down. BP: From a high point of when? TB: Oh, I don’t know – I’d have to look at the data. But my feeling is it probably had a better balance along in the late ‘80s and then we had before; I know if you throw in international land management research as well as local. But for a long time a lot of the research money for land management came through the state experiment stations and came as earmarked money to go to land management. And gradually they switched from money tied to specific land research to competitive research – BP: Competitive grants. TB: Competitive grants with the National Science Foundation, the National Institute of Health and those sorts of things. That is not bad in itself; in fact I think it’s good that we have competitive research and the best researchers getting the money. But what that did, it lead to a different kind of research many times, than the kind that needed to be done. Where the old state experiment station money came through, you’d be looking at a specific problem that would be dealt with on a given area. And you were expected to develop principles out of that, but also address what was happening on the land there. Let me give you an example of some of the old time research that was done under that that is not being done now. I talked about Art Smith and Larry Stoddart earlier. Some of the work that they did up around summer camp and Logan Canyon and over to Hardware Ranch and that area in Blacksmith Fork Canyon was looking at the use of animals and their diets and a combination of stock. They came up with principles that if you put more than one class of animals on a rangeland that you make more efficient use of it; that it makes better sense to have cattle, sheep, deer, elk because each of them have different grazing habits. And so you can have Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  18   �more total biomass with animals that eat different kinds of plants than you have alone. And so they were able to do that kind of work with money for specific science, though the principle came out of it. They did that back in – I don’t know, it was before I came here in ’59, so I’d say in the mid-50s sometime – they did it, published it, it’s quoted all around the world, even today. Some of this common-use grazing sort of stuff. When I came back here in 1970 as Dean, one of the first meetings I attended was the Forest Service had called a public meeting on the allotment up around Tony Grove. They wanted to switch to a common-use allotment up there. It was being grazed by cattle only and they wanted to bring in – BP: The Forest Service wanted to, or the permittees wanted to? TB: The Forest Service wanted to. The permittees weren’t too happy about it because they were cattle people. Several of the environmental groups just opposed it greatly. I remember standing up on the hill there with all the Forest Service and these groups. I was new back in town. And one of the people from one of the environmental groups said, “We want to postpone this until you do some studies to show whether this will happen or not.” And I pointed across the valley over there from where we were standing and said, “Back in the 1950s Stoddart and Smith did some studies over there that proves the point that it’s better for the land to put a combination of animals up here. Go to the literature and find out what’s been done.” They still wouldn’t hear it, they had to set up their own study to find out. BP: And did they do a study? TB: No, I don’t think so. I don’t think they ever put the sheep up there. I haven’t seen them. I think, you know they were just able to block it. But my point is that the principles, many of the principles that we need have already been done and in the old literature, and if you can bring that out and bring it up to date, you don’t need to do a lot more research. BP: Do you find that the profession now is reluctant to look back at the older studies? TB: I’m not sure whether they are or not. I wouldn’t want to make that accusation that they’re reluctant to look back. I think it’s more likely that the people who are making the decisions have not had the culture of managing the land and looking back at the studies. They may have come out of another field entirely – Sociology (and we need Sociologists, I’m not arguing that), but something that is not dealing with the ecology of the land and so there is a tendency not to look back then. BP: Um-hmm. I’m going to pause this for just a second. [Stop and start recording] BP: Alright we had just a little interruption there. Okay we’re back talking about – what were we talking about? [Laughing] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  19   �TB: Well I guess we were talking about management up Logan Canyon and what’s happened up there. And in the break I mentioned that when I first came here in 1959 and before I had to teach summer camp, Stoddart had told me that I should get with some of the old timers and look at a lot of the work that had been done. And I spent a lot of time with several people – Ranger MJ who died last year, and some of the people ARS people and looking at exclosures all over what’s now Logan Canyon drainage. And there were lots of exclosures that had been put in by various agencies up there. And the area outside were grazed off completely and you could look at the vegetation inside that should be there now. Now you go back to those same exclosures and there’s very little difference between what’s inside and out so the area has improved a lot. What you could do as far as experimenting with the land has changed a lot too. One of the early, I guess it was the first year that I taught up at summer camp Wayne Cook had a study that he wanted to look at the use of various herbicides in controlling Wyethia this plant that comes out in the spring with a yellow flower that you see that’s characteristic of overgrazed ranges. There’s a whole big swath of it just above summer camp up there. And he had a grant that looked at control of it using several different kinds of herbicides. And instead of going back away from the road where people couldn't see it, he had the airplanes fly from the top of the hill to the road so you could see the various strips. And of course it killed out the aspens and Wyethia and other things. But he was very proud of this and he put up a sign of what he was doing up there to improve the land by killing out these noxious plants (they weren’t necessarily noxious, but the invading plants). And we wouldn’t dare do that now. In fact, herbicides are banned from the land, but even if they weren’t the Forest Service would insist that you’d have to get out of the viewscape and so on. BP: You would not be putting it on with an airplane either probably. TB: No. Well in some areas they still do – or maybe a helicopter or something else. But that same area that he flew the herbicides on has been burned at least twice since then by Forest Service personnel with controlled burning, trying to control the aspen or keep the aspen young and re-sprouting in that area. Wayne did it with herbicides and got rid of the Wyethia at the same time. BP: Yeah. TB: Also where you go over the summit going to Brigham City on the highway down here, off to the left right at the summit that whole hillside was covered with Wyethia and Wayne went up there and spelled out “weed experiment” with his herbicide. And it was visible until about the time I retired. In 1990 you could no longer see the bare ground, but what you saw grasses that spelled “weed experiment” and there were these flowering yellow plants all around it. In the spring you could see that. BP: What are your thoughts on those kind of programs? What are your thoughts on herbicides? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  20   �TB: I use them on the lawn for dandelions but I don’t think that they belong on the public lands, except in very severe and restricted cases where you can’t do something else. I think that most of what we need to be doing with public and private land is to use the principles of ecology and natural phenomena to manage the land. And herbicides should only be used where it’s not practical to do otherwise. And then, you know you have to know what you’re doing. You just shouldn’t use herbicides to kill plants, you need to know what effect it’s going to have on the connections that I talked about earlier – the bacteria, the plants, the animals are all connected. BP: Do you think we overuse [inaudible] over a certain period of time because it was easy? TB: Yeah, it’s easy. The sins of herbicides are not necessarily that they mess up the environment so much because most of them break down fairly quickly. But the main problem with them is again a principle thing – when you used it you generally used it for a specific, single case. And that case, if it succeeds may mess up the rest of the system. You know it’s not so much the toxicity of the use – though that’s important in some time – but it’s how it breaks the connection, how it changes the whole system. And this happens when you start dealing with single uses. You know I think a classic in that and we talked about earlier about the poplar trees in Cache Valley – this government project to pay for getting rid of vegetation started because an economics professor down in Arizona did a calculation (he didn’t actually kill the vegetation) but showed that if you killed all the vegetation on the watershed that you could increase water flow by (I don’t remember what) five-fold or something. BP: Is this the Salt Cedar down – TB: No it was not just Salt Cedar. This was – I forget the economist’s name – but it made all the papers. People said, you know water is always the short resource in arid lands, “we need to get rid of all this useless vegetation that’s using it.” Well trees are exorbitant users of water and certainly poplar trees are. And so the government put in programs that you could pay people to get rid of vegetation. They killed out all the big Cottonwoods down in Arizona along the streams there that had great use beyond just using water, as far as keeping the ecosystem managed. But they killed them out just to get more water. And it took us a couple of decades to find out that we were doing something wrong. Well my point here is that any time you go in with a surgical strike for one particular use – whether it’s to increase water yield or make more grazing for livestock or to increase teddy bears, or whatever else – that you’re going to get in trouble because you’re not looking at all the interactions that are taking place. BP: Isn’t that where the discipline of natural resource management comes in? TB: Yes! BP: I mean isn’t that essentially what you teach, isn’t it? Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  21   �TB: Yes. You mentioned earlier, accused me of becoming more philosophical and branching out into everything. The big core of resource management is ecology; looking at the health of the system. And if you get the health of the system, whether you call it a cattle range or a forest or fisheries that produce big trout, the principles of ecology are very important. And if you start looking at how are we going to get more big fish out of the pond, you’re likely to screw up the whole thing. You need to look at how you manage the whole system. The same way if you start looking at the landscape we’ve been talking about up Logan Canyon simply as a place to graze livestock, you’re in trouble at the very start because the objective should be to keep that landscape healthy and to keep it useful so that whatever uses we decide to make of it we can make of it. And whatever use we decide we want to make, we should make certain that it won’t destroy or cut out options for people in the future. There are some places that you almost have to do that. For instance if you open up a gravel pit here up Logan Canyon you’re going to probably change that particular spot to where it can’t be brought back just by good ecological management – that you have to do something on these drastically disturbed landscapes. Same thing if you graze a range too long and you lose the soil on it; you change it to where you’ve got to maybe do some rehabilitation of some sort. But otherwise you work with nature rather than against it. BP: So nature’s pretty adaptive and – what’s the word I’m looking for? – it will come back. TB: No. I think one of the big mistakes that we have made in my generation of natural resource managers is to teach, or at least mis-teach, to where people picked up on this idea that if you do something bad to the land – whether you over-farm it or over-graze it or burn it too much or cut timber off of it – that all you need to do is to back off and it will come back. That’s not true. We used to think it was. In fact, I mentioned that Stoddart came out of the Nebraska School of Ecology – that was one thing that Clements taught and one of the main things we call “Clementsian Paradigm of Ecology” that succession starts from bare rock and gets to a climax and then uses force it back down that chain, you take the use off and nature will bring it back. We now know that that doesn’t happen. But a lot of people – and they teach it in grade schools and so on – believe that that will happen. That if you just stop doing the bad things it will take care of itself. It would if you hadn’t changed the system. But as I mentioned earlier with the soils washed away, if the climate has changed during that period of time or if the conditions are different, you’ve got a whole different system. And now we talk about states and transitions and thresholds that if you force land through use – these dry farms over here on the west side of the valley – if you stopped farming them now with the subsoil showing on them and so on, they won’t come back to the same palouse, prairie-like vegetation that was there when the pioneers first came in. BP: Right. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  22   �TB: They’ll come back to a bunch of weeds and other things. So you’ve got to be careful with this thing that nature will take care of itself. It will, it will stabilize the ground but it won’t be the same sort of a community at all. The same uses won’t be available. BP: Where would you date that change in philosophy? In Clements idea – the coming to grips with the idea that yeah, you can screw nature up to the point that it won’t always come back at the climax. TB: It’s been around a long time but it really wasn’t accepted. Actually a British ecologist named Tansley, probably in the 1930s was talking about this sort of thing. And then Odum in his book in the ‘50s wrote something similar. But it wasn’t generally accepted until -- must’ve been about the ‘70s or ‘80s. Some Australian scientists really challenged the Clementsian Paradigm. They were looking at much broader problems – you know, broader landscapes than we have here where they have ranching properties that they have over there that they call “stations” that are half as big as the state of Nebraska. And so you’re looking at different sorts of things. And they noticed the old Clementsian Paradigm didn’t work. We’d also noticed that here. I’d first noticed it when I came to the mountains. I had been trained in the prairies where that Clementsian system works fairly well. You come here to the mountains, there is a different eco-system on the north slopes and the south slopes; there’s different ones between different kinds of areas within the mountains. So we knew it didn’t work, but nobody had really worked out the principles and thought it through until this Australian group (led by a South African really) started looking at it and starting publishing in the literature. And then it came back into this country. And we’re still arguing about it. There are people in the land management profession that would get very angry with what I’ve said about that nature doesn’t bring places back if you just quit using it. So we’re in that process of change now. Just as a sideline, when I was in Australia in January, I had a yarn with Margaret Friedel who is one of the scientists over there that was involved in that and interviewed her and wrote an article for Rangelands or let her write it; just published her comments about how they developed this concept and started early in there. We know now more than we did. We still don’t know really how to manage the new concepts that are coming in because we know that you can change a site so much that it will never come back to what it was before, but how do we get it back? And I think what you do is really establish the interconnections as much as you can and then maybe nature can take it back. But it will be a different community than what you had there originally. BP: Nature itself can alter sites to the point where -- I mean is the landscape ever stationary? Is it ever static? TB: No, of course not. You know one of the things that amuses me and irritates me and I get mad at is just looking at the letters to the editor in the Herald Journal of people arguing over climate change! [Laughing] Of course the climate changes! It changes all the time. It’s not the same now, and that’s one of the main things in “nature” if you want to say, or Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  23   �whatever, that the system adjusts to the changes. And most of the time it’s slow. Sometimes you get a drought that will come on and maybe for a period of 50, 30, 60, 10 years and then change back. Or it may be a general trend. I became a natural resource manager because of the drought of the ‘50s. I always wanted to be a rancher and the drought of the ‘50s made my dad go broke and I went to college to learn how to be a scientist. I never went back to the land. I’m getting off the subject. Your question was does the landscape change with nature? Of course it does and we have all sorts of examples. You can go up in the mountains and look at the fossils and see that it has changed dramatically. And the argument over whether it’s man-caused or not is also as silly as the one that some people saying we don’t have climate change. Well we do. We could argue over the direction it’s going. And whether it’s man-caused is argued. If you look at my field, range management, and in any place in the western United States when it was opened up for grazing, we killed out the Indians and the buffalo. Within three decades of the time it came here (and I’ve got data that show it happened in the plains, it happened in Salt Lake) – within three decades of when human beings came in with their grazing animals the land was overgrazed. One system after the other came in. Now that was man-caused. And we can show that the dust bowl of the 1930s was because of over-plowing and overgrazing. It was exacerbated by drought. Sure, drought came in there but the erosion was mancaused. So to argue that humans don’t change landscapes make no more sense than the climate doesn’t change. So I read these passionate letters to the editor about climate change, I think, “These people don’t know what they’re talking about.” BP: So the land is really more fragile, I mean it can be changed easily? TB: It can be changed easily. I don’t think land is fragile. That’s one of the ways of thinking – and there are some ecologists that disagree with me. You see a lot of times they talk about ecosystems being fragile. They’re very resilient. BP: That is the word I was looking for a minute ago, Thad! Resilient. TB: They take a lot of change and come back. There are some systems that are fragile and there are some resilent systems – and it usually shows up in what their evolutionary past was. If you get a vegetation type that evolved in the absence of a large grazer – we see more of them in Australia than we do here (but there are some places that if you look back the fossil records you know they’d never had a big grazing animal on there) – they tend to be more fragile and their vegetation will die out sooner when you start grazing it and be less apt to come back and you’ll get another type of vegetation coming in. But I don’t see the land as fragile. It takes a lot of abuse and it has an amazing regenerative power. One of the things that humbles me as a biologist is the regenerative power that occurs in all systems. I don’t know what your wound history is, and don’t want to know, but you can cut yourself, you can get shot in the army, and there are all sorts of things, and you Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  24   �get well. They even note examples of where you’ve grown whole new vein systems for some reason and they don’t know until after they do the autopsy that you’ve done your own natural bypass. There’s great regenerative ability in natural systems. So, again, I’m getting off the subject. BP: I think it’s all connected. I think your point that you’re trying to make is that there’s a connection between the land, between humans, between animals; and again, it’s the ecologist in you, right? TB: Yeah, I guess it’s the ecologist in me. I guess I’m very fortunate in that being trained in that and working – well I know I’m fortunate to having a good job for many years in ecology. But I was very fortunate to be raised on the land from the beginning. You know, to be a kid outdoors and observing things that happened and wondering about them. And sometimes it got me in trouble, you know. When I was a kid my uncle, who was a year older than I, used to catch lizards and hook them up to old Prince Albert tobacco cans and work them as a team. And we noticed that their tails would break off very easily, but they could re-grow a tail. Well I had a great uncle that had his arm shot off in World War I and one day I asked my granddad if God would let lizards grow a new tail, why can’t Albert grow a new arm? Well that got me in trouble! [Laughing] I was being blasphemous, questioning God and a whole bunch of things. And I don’t think I’m unique. I think kids want to know answers to those questions. I talked about my grandkid wanting to put batteries in the butterfly. Why can’t man grow an arm? BP: Well that’s the questioning nature of humans. TB: Yeah. BP: Why we’re out to discover things. TB: Another thing that may be off the point, but one of my opportunities in my career was to work in Somalia before there was much – [Stop and start recording] [Tape 2 of 2: B] BP: We just turned the tape over and Thad was about to tell a story when he was in Somalia. TB: Yeah. The reason I’m bringing this story up to relate it to land management on national forests is how very primitive people sometimes understand the connections and nature much better than many of our professionals. I had the opportunity to work in Somalia in 1967 when there was only 85 miles of tarmac road in the whole country. And being out with the nomads, many nights I spent in nomad camps. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  25   �One of the things I was trying to do was to build a checklist of plants and find out what the plants were used for. I had a checklist that an old British biologist had made many years ago. It had the Somali name and the genus and species and that was all. And I was struggling trying to key the plants out with a key that wasn’t working very well. Our cook who was with our project starting telling me the Somali names of the plants. And it turned out that he’s been herding camel since he was 12 years old. I could ask him any question I wanted to about a plant; he could tell me its Somali name. He could tell me what kind of soil it grew on, how soon it came up after the rain. And he wasn’t unique. The people that took care of the camels and grazed them there knew that sort of knowledge. They learned it out there. And they’d learned the inter-relationships between them: when you could graze and keep the vegetation going. I was taking notes as fast as I could and once I got the Somali name I’d get the Latin name. And essentially he wrote my report for me. This kid had grown up out there. And my point being that anyone who spends a long time out on the land – watching camels or herding sheep, or just out there hunting deer or whatever else – if they’re observing it all. They see these connections and begin to make connections together. And then if you suddenly find a theory or a system that ties them together, you’re very happy. Art Smith used to tell the story about Ray Becraft who started the program here. Becraft came through Utah State, studied with James Jardine and then took over the program with just his baccalaureate degree, like they used to. And he was teaching forestry and so on. I don’t know whether he got a grant or how he was able to do it, but he was able to go to the University of Chicago where the famous ecologist Cowles developed this system of succession or described this system succession. Well Art Smith said that Becraft told him that when he started hearing those theories of Professor Cowles his head hurt. He couldn’t go to sleep at night because he was relating them to what he had seen all his life in the hills in Utah, and the grazing in Utah and so on. So here was a kid, you know, 1500 miles away who got back there and he he ran into something that caused him to tie all that he’d observed all his life – herding sheep or whatever he did – together. BP: Now where was Ray Becraft from originally, do you know? TB: He was from Brigham City, I believe. Yeah, I’m pretty sure he was from Brigham City. And he came here and did his work here. And he worked with Cowles off and on then for a number of years. In fact some of the documents I think I got in Special Collection when I was looking at the history of our college, I found that Cowles came out here and taught summer camp a couple of years. BP: He was here for summer school in 1924 I know. TB: Yeah. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  26   �BP: And probably other years too. TB: Yeah. And so that connection very early between the people here who were developing the curriculum and land management and the best theoretical ecologist in America at the time, it wasn’t an accident that this university developed that sort of tie. It goes right back to those roots. BP: Pretty interesting. Yeah, that summer school that they established in the 1920s was – they had the biggest names – it was a stroke of genius. I mean it really was because these were professors that didn’t teach during the summer and they offer them a nice stipend to come out here and it was a good climate in the summer. TB: And you have those documents in Special Collections? BP: We do. TB: I want to come up and dig through those because I think that’s really, right there is the key to the early culture of this College of Natural Resources. It started one generation before Becraft, with the Jardine brothers. They were from Cherry Creek, Idaho and came down here. And I think one of them majored in Math and the other in English or something. I know one of the Jardine’s taught English here. But they also started putting together this concept of natural resource management. BP: They did. TB: Mainly I think because of the watershed problems; the hills washing down. And they were looking at – and the one that studied Engineering was more interested in that. But then when Jardine left, Ray Becraft came in and he studied and teaching. He taught forestry, he taught range management, he taught watershed management -- all in 1918. And then with his tie with Cowles and the theoretical ecologist it gradually developed into what it is today. BP: Yeah. Very interesting history with how that came together – TB: Well I shouldn’t be talking to an historian about this – BP: Well, yeah but you were part of it! TB: You know there are two things that I am interested in: in biology and natural resources history certainly is important. But it’s not just the history of genes, it’s also the history of memes. And when Dawkins came up with this memes concept of the unit of cultural transfer – BP: You’re going to have to define that for me. I’m not familiar with it. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  27   �TB: Okay. “Memes” is a term developed by the biologist Richard Dawkins who has just published this book that there is no god or something – BP: Oh, okay. Um-hmm. TB: A great, famous theoretical biologist. He came up with a concept called “Memes” (m-em-e-s) where he said that there was a unit of cultural transmission – that you could transfer beliefs and values from one generation to the other. And that they were as important as the genes in determining what the culture would be like. And that speaks very loudly to me. And I think it speaks to people that work with land management, even though most of them don’t know it because that’s not a concept that is normally taught in biology courses. That there are stories, most of these have gone through mother to child and learning and stories taught around campfires and whatever, but it’s the memes that are passed on are as important for a school as the genes. You’ve got to be able to pass on the passion, the dedication. And I think one of the things that’s wrong with our country now (it’s not wrong, I mean it’s just happening with our country that we’ve got to correct) is that we aren’t passing on the values that make us a stronger, more democratic country. We’re passing on values that its better to get rich than it is to serve your fellow man. BP: Right. TB: And so that is – and I’m way off the subject now! But that’s an important thing – BP: Well let me tell you – you know who John Widtsoe was? TB: Yeah. BP: He was the president here and the dry farm expert. But anyway, I just saw a letter that he wrote to a former student who had been here, in which he congratulated him on his graduation and his new employment (and I forget where he’d been hired, but some place out of state) and told him to always bear in mind his responsibility as a college man, his responsibility for the public good, and not to be overwhelmed with seeking money. And that was his advice to this young graduate. I mean that’s – and you know you would never hear that, you would never hear that. And of course that was a hundred years ago, it was 1908. I think that’s important. TB: Well I had that drummed into me with family and with these mentors that I mentioned (Clarence Cottam, Vernon Young, Larry Stoddart, Smith) – all, you know, that it was important to serve. And that was the reason that I went into this, was to make the world better. And if you’re going to interview (I see the list) some of the people that I taught they may tell stories about me because that was one of the things that I always did was try to drum into them. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  28   �In fact, many of the classes that I started when I was teaching in what was then the new Forestry building (the one that’s now the Natural Resource Biology building). The windows in the classroom faced the mountain. And on the first day of class I’d tell them to get up and walk out and go look at that mountain. And then I’d tell them that their job was to make that mountain better. And it’s corny, but it’s important. It’s important that we feel value, or value what we do and that it will help change the world. BP: And do you see that as missing in the educational, in the curriculum today? TB: Yeah. Well, no I won’t say that it’s missing because there are people that do it. But this generation, and the generations are different. And they have different ways of looking at how to make the world better. You know, I’m sure that some of them believe that the way to make the world better is to get very wealthy and then you can spend it making the world better or something else. But I don’t see the general emphasis on that you’re here to learn how to serve the general public; you’re here to make the community stronger. There’s a lot more “it’s all about me.” I’ve noticed this, in fact I’ve been thinking about writing up the change in the generations. When I started teaching in 1959, most of the kids there were not kids, but young men (no young women there), they’re young men and most of them were veterans of the Korean War. I was a veteran of the Korean War and we’re about the same age. They were there to get a job, work out on the forest and make the land better. You know and improve their status in life. Most of them came off the farm, didn’t have any idea of ever being wealthy. Their idea was to get a job where they could do something useful. And then in the 1970s – we talked about this earlier – there was this idealism that swept that whole generation of the ‘70s, that you know, we’ve got to do something better. And they were obsessed on the threat of the bomb, the war. And the Vietnam War closed down. But we still had the bomb. So the generation of the ‘60s became the “me” generation; “I want to get mine.” And Rambo ruled, you know. They were big. They were tough! That was what that generation was all about. BP: The generation of the ‘80s. TB: Yeah, yeah. I said ‘60s – the generation of the ‘80s, I’m sorry. The generation of the ‘70s was this make the world happy and everything’s going to be alright and then after the Vietnam War it was the “Rambo Rule” time and I was going to get mine while it’s good. And then the generation of the ‘90s (and that was the last generation that I really taught) was a real mixed bag. Some people wanted to get back to the serve their world (and a lot of Peace Corps volunteers and so on came through) but the others were wanting to, you know get ahead quickly and make a lot of money. And so it was a mixed bag and I can’t follow through on it. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  29   �But if you look back now at our leaders, most of them are coming out of that ‘60s generation – that the whole idea was to get mine while the getting’s good because the bomb’s over us and we’re liable not to be here anyway. And I think it’s affected us all the way through society. It’s a long ways around of answering your question of whatever it was – I don’t remember! [Laughing] BP: Yeah. I think, you know, we are what we’ve been taught and our culture. And I’ve found that – how do you say that again? TB: Memes. BP: Memes. TB: M-e-m-e-s. Google “Richard Dawkins” and “memes” and you’ll – BP: I’ll put in “Dawkins.” TB: Yeah. BP: I think we’ve covered most of this. The one thing I didn’t ask you is a part from religious zeal for the land are you a practicing religionist? TB: No. I’m an atheist. BP: Um-hmm. Okay, that answers that! TB: [Laughing] I wasn’t always. I was raised in very fundamentalist Christian church from a long series of Methodist preachers. BP: Uh-huh. TB: My sister’s just been working on our genealogy and I didn’t realize how many Methodist preachers there were. I was raised in that tradition. My first stint in Utah I taught the Presbyterian Sunday School for college-age students. Had all the black people on campus in my Sunday school because they were brought down there by Charles Belcher who was going to make sure that Cornell Green and Willie Redmond and all those guys went to church! [Laughing] BP: Did you find that it was out of a degree of real soul searching when you finally decided that you did not have a belief in God, or was that something that you perhaps carried with you for some time and you just finally came to the realization? TB: I think it just gradually grew on me. It was hard to admit it. BP: You’re carrying a lot of these cultural things. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  30   �TB: Yeah. Because you know, it was so much a part of my life. And I taught Sunday school, I was a ruling elder in both the Southern and the Northern Presbyterian churches for many years. And I guess where I finally decided to be honest and come out of the closet was that if there is a God and the god is not omnipotent then it is no god. And if there is an omnipotent god and he lets the world get as screwed up as it is, he’s inefficient or incompetent! So it makes no sense to believe in a god. This is the first time anybody’s ever recorded that I’ve said it. I don’t go around telling people they shouldn’t believe in God, that’s their business. BP: No reason to. TB: But for me it doesn’t work. And I guess a very personal thing may have been what put me over the hump on this, My mother died a long, nine year agonizing death with Alzheimer’s disease. She was one of the most Christian people I ever knew. One of the most giving, selfless people I ever knew. So if there was anybody that God ought to have treated right it would have been her. And you know, if there’d been a god that was omnipotent, why would he let that happen? It just makes no sense. BP: Yeah, there are questions you can only answer two ways. One is that there must not be, and the other I don’t know how people – people do deal with that. But there is a certain morality that comes out of the Christian traditions and you don’t hear them talk much about it in this day and age. But you talk about your mother and having that Christian – is that anything that carries over? TB: Oh yes! And Bob I don’t deny at all, I am a cultural Christian. I am a Christian, culturally. BP: Well I am a cultural Mormon. [Laughing] TB: Yeah, well I’ve run into a lot of them that way. I’m a cultural Christian and most of the teachings of the New Testament I buy into because they’re good socially. But that’s entirely different from saying that I believe in a god. BP: Sure. TB: I believe in the actions and the body and some of that. And you mentioned that there were two choices: “I don’t know” or “there is no God.” I’m a scientist so you know, you set up any sort of null hypothesis and you can’t find that there is a god. So you know, I’m much more comfortable saying that I’m an atheist than I am saying that I’m an agnostic. And as I say, I don’t go around talking this or preaching because I’m a cultural Christian and I’m proud of my Christianity. But I’m not going to believe in God, that a god did it. BP: We are, like I said, we’re the sum of everything we’ve gained up to this point in our lives, and so I’m sure it’s affected you – TB: Yeah, and it’s affected me mainly in my association with my fellow human beings. Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  31   �BP: Sure. TB: I’ve never thought about this and I’ll think about it after we turn this off, I’m not sure how my Christianity and the evolution through the Christianity has affected my relationship to the land, or if it did at all. It certainly reflected my attitude toward using the land, but it still very much anthropomorphic. If you notice all the time that I talked about uses it was for human beings’ good. And that’s part of who I am. I grow crops or whatever because people need to eat. And I got into the profession of agriculture before I did into ecology and the reason was I got in to feed a hungry world. That was very much sort of a missionary thing – to get out and feed a hungry world. BP: Is there anything else you’d like to add right now Thad? TB: No, if you think of anything talk’s cheap! I’d be glad to visit with you. BP: I think there’s much more you’ve got to say. TB: Well I think we didn’t get into what I thought was this was mainly about was the effects of policy on management. And it’s in there but it’s sort of – we can look at that again. And like I say, I’m willing to talk anytime. I enjoy it. BP: I enjoyed it too. TB: Well thank you. BP: Thank you very much sir. [Stop recording] Land  Use  Management  Oral  History  Project:  Thadis  Box     Page  32   � https://highway89.org/files/original/e757e554a140865f3e092004b8ae80f8.pdf 27857c6f91d16ca8789823644ada7bf4 PDF Text Text About this collection: By Thad Box Logan Canyon runs east from the lush Cache Valley, which supported Shoshone families for hundreds of years. Beavers raised their broods in the streams and marshes. The first Europeans, mountain men and fur traders, gave rivers and canyons French names. Mormon pioneers established farms and towns in the valley, cut mountain forests for lumber and railroad ties, developed dairies and beef herds in the canyon. Landless, migratory sheepmen brought flocks from afar. By the late 1800s, the land in canyons and mountains was barren. Sheep herds could be counted from Logan by the clouds of dust they raised. Logan River and its tributaries were polluted by silt and debris. Utah Agricultural College was established in 1888 as Utah's land grant school. The Cache National Forest was created in 1902 at the request of local citizens who feared mudslides from denuded lands. These local citizens wanted the landscape rehabilitated. For the next 100 years scientists, engineers and land managers conducted research, applied what was learned and rebuilt the abused land. In so doing, hundreds of scientists, scholars, land managers and local citizens helped reclaim the areas in and around Logan Canyon into a special place of beauty. They gradually rebuilt its productivity. Hundreds of thousands of people come through the canyon each year. The canyon has become more than a beautiful mountain canyon; it is a part of people's lives and an icon of their culture. Some of the earliest work at Utah Agricultural College and the Utah Agricultural Experiment Station was stabilizing land to prevent landslides and improving overgrazed and overcut mountains. Curricula were developed in the emerging fields of forestry, ecology, range management, watershed management and environmental engineering. Managers were trained in Utah, but worked worldwide. Academic units in the College of Natural Resources and the water program developed reputations for land care. Their research was applied all over the world. In an effort to document these efforts, Special Collections and Archives in the Merrill-Cazier Library have the personal and professional papers of many of the scientists and land managers who helped rebuild Logan Canyon. More are being added. These collections form a valuable reference for anyone interested in land management and policy. These include papers from pioneer academics such as Laurence Stoddart and Arthur Smith, forest ecologist Lincoln Ellison and forest manager William Hurst. Beginning in 2008, Utah State University’s Special Collections & Archives, the Mountain West Center for Regional Studies and the College of Natural Resources Department of Environment and Society collaborated to collect the oral histories of key land use managers and users. Trained interviewers from The Logan Canyon Land Use Management Project gathered oral histories of people who have worked in or enjoyed the Canyon during the last century. In these interviews, available in audio and transcript form, people talk about what Logan Canyon meant to them. The stories of ranchers, recreationists, scientists, activists, scholars, foresters and sheepherders add cultural depth to the work of scientists, engineers and academics. This growing collection of oral histories and personal papers from those who have worked in Logan Canyon is fast becoming a major resource for others interested in rehabilitation, land management and policy. These oral recollections form a basis for understanding policy in one area. Principles from them can be applied to broader land areas.     � Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Where else is this found? Give the URL for the item, if it is in another respository (like CONTENTdm) <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/109">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/109</a> Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Hosted by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library Conversion Specs Recording equipment: Marantz PMD660 Digital Recorder Transcription equipment: Power Player Transcription Software: Executive Communication Systems Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2012-10-16 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thad Box interviews, 21 March 2008 and 1 April 2008, transcriptions, color photograph Description An account of the resource The first interview covers Thad Box’s early years in Texas and his education. The interview was a demonstration of interview techniques by Elaine Thatcher to members of the Land Use Management Oral History Project members, including Brad Cole, Randy Williams, Barbara Middleton, Bob Parson and Glenda Nesbit. The second interview contains some childhood and pre-college influences of Thad Box. He speaks of his education, mentors, and of his subsequent career as a natural resource professor. Box speaks about his philosophy on ecology and land management practices, the development of natural resource management principles and how they may be extended and applied beyond land management. He talks about the importance of people to have access to nature. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Box, Thadis W. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Thatcher, Elaine Subject The topic of the resource Box, Thadis W.--Interviews Box, Thadis W.--Family Utah State University--Faculty--Interviews Agricultural education--Texas Logan Canyon (Utah) Recreation--Utah--Logan Canyon Mormons--Social conditions Rob and Bessie Welder Wildlife Foundation Cottam, Clarence, 1899- Glazener, Caleb Young, Vernon A. (Vernon Alphus), 1894-1973 Range management--Study and teaching United States. Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944 Canyons--Utah--Cache County--Psychological aspects Solitude--Utah--Logan Canyon Public lands--Utah--Logan Canyon Stoddart, L. A. (Laurence Alexander), 1909-1968 Smith, Arthur D. (Arthur Dwight), 1907-1993 Restoration ecology--Utah--Logan Canyon Grazing--Utah--Logan Canyon Land use--Utah--Logan Canyon United States. Multiple Use-Sustained Yield Act of 1960 Sustainability Privatization--Law and legislation--United States Range management--Research Cultural landscapes Land research Rangelands--Revegetation Utah State University. Forestry Field Station Camp Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Oral histories Interviews Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Llano County (Texas) Cache County (Utah) Australia Somalia Blacksmith Fork Canyon (Utah) Hardware Ranch (Utah) Logan Canyon (Utah) Tony Grove (Utah) Utah United States Logan (Utah) Cache County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1920-1929 1930-1939 1940-1949 1950-1959 1960-1969 1970-1979 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections &amp Archives, Logan Canyon Land Use Management Oral History Collection, FOLK COLL 42 Box 2 Fd. 4 &amp 5 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Logan Canyon Land Use Management Oral History Collection can be found at: <a href="http://library.usu.edu/folklo/folkarchive/FolkColl42.php">http://library.usu.edu/folklo/folkarchive/FolkColl42.php</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Fife Folklore Archives Curator, phone (435) 797-3493 Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Logan Canyon Land Use Management Oral History Collection Type The nature or genre of the resource Sound Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource audio/mp3 Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context FolkColl42bx2ThadisBox Date Created Date of creation of the resource. 21 March 2008 1 April 2008 Date Modified Date on which the resource was changed. 2008-03-21 2008-04-01 Is Version Of A related resource of which the described resource is a version, edition, or adaptation. Changes in version imply substantive changes in content rather than differences in format. Logan Canyon Reflections https://highway89.org/files/original/d732870103814374d8aaa2e5ee8ac43f.pdf 3e412955cc3412b0fc424887b7c8400e PDF Text Text �\ Steak Sandwich $2.75 boneless top si rloin, served with "Old" style hash browns, tossed green salad, onion rings, garlic bread. Drinking Man's Special. $2.65 boneless top si rloin, served with "Old" style hash browns, tomato salad, three eggs over easy, garlic bread. Truck Driver's Special $2.55 ~ lb. Chopped Beef, served with "Old" style hash browns, tossed green salad, onion rings, garlic bread. Broiled Chopped Bee f $1.65 Swiss cheese & egg on broiled chopped beef patty. Served with tossed green salad, turkey sa lad, beans & applesauce. The Porker $1.55 deep fried pork tenderloin. Served with tossed green salad, turkey salad, b eans & applesauce. Submarine $1.40 ham, bologna, lettuce, corncd beef, tomatoes, salomi, American cheese. Served with turkey salad, beans & applesauce. Guineau Grinder $1.40 ham, bologna, American cheese, salomi, Swiss cheese, com ed beef, guineau sauce. Served with hltkey salad, beans & applesauce. Little Rich Kid $1.40 Braunschweiger, Swiss cheese, lettuce, bacon, tomato, American cheese. Served with turkey salad, beans & applesauce. $1.40 Bistro kipper snacks, Swiss cheese, lettuce, tomato, American cheese, onions. Served with turkey salad, beans & applesauce. Poor Boy $1.35 Ham, Swiss cheese, lettuce, corned beef, tomato, pastrami. Served with turkey salad, beans & appesauce. LUNCHEON SPECIALTIES EVERY DAY lWO A.M. - 2,30 P.M. / �\ I ~,IJILIAJID)~ Tossed Green Salad 95c Served with garlic bread, cheese curd, tomato, olives, pickle, pickled beets & choice of dressing. ~@\1l1i~~ Oyster Stew $1.85 Served with tossed green salad & garlic bread. Clam Chowder $1.25 Served with tossed green salad & garlic bread. ~lItJID)lI @~JID)I\~~ SOc Onion Rings Fresh onions & Special Bistro Breading. Garlic Bread II EIl...ll 70c La'ge o,de, - 351 Small order MII:O:: II] BUDWEI SE R, COO RS, OLYMPIA DARK ON TAP "Oly" Dark derives its flavor and color from the unique process of toasting the barley before brewing. Because of this we recommend "Oly" Dark with our food. Schooner Pitcher SOFT DI 35c $1.75 I~ J - • PEPSI . .... ............................................................. DIET PEPSI ........................................................... SEVEN-UP ..................... ........ ............. ...................... .. ROOT BEER .............................................................. COFFEE ............. (refills included) ..... ............ _.. __ .. HOT TEA .......... (refills included) .......... ... _.......... ICE D T EA ...... ____ ___ _... (in Season) ..................... ... FRUIT PUNCH ........... (in Season) ........................ MILK ............................... ............................................. BUTTERMILK ...................................... .. .... 30, 301 301 301 30¢ 30¢ 30¢ 30¢ 30, 30, SET-UPS AVAILABLE Soda, Water, Seven-Up, Coke, Sour . . . . 35¢ Beer and Set-up prices subject to change with live entertainment. SANDWICHES EVERY DAY lWO A.M. - 8,00 P.M . 11:30 A.M. - 9:00 P.M. (on weekends) �l ~~~ ____~________~ �~rrr fIDtrnu Coors and Budweiser on Tap Sc([)([)ner . .. 25¢ 15¢ Small Beer . Extra Big Scooner . 40¢ - Packaged Beer To Go- �STEAKS "T" Bone Filet of Tenderloin $4.00 $3.50 SANDWICHES Poor Boy 95¢ Ham, Swiss Cheese, Pastrami, Corned Beef, Tomato and Lettuce. and Re lish. Submarine $1.00 Salomi, Cheese, Bologna, Ham. Tongue, Lettuce and Tomato, Relish. Bistro 85¢ Kipper Snacks, Swiss Cheese. American Cheese, Lettuce, Tomato, Onion, Sweet Pickle. Little Rich Kid $1.00 Braunschwciger, Lettuce. Tomato, Bacon, Swiss Cheese. American Cheese, Relish. �Steak Sandwich . . . . $1.65 boneless top sirloin, French fries, onion rings, salaG, and garlic bread. Submarine . . . . . . $1.00 salomi, cllcesc, bologna, ham, corned beef, tomato, le ttuce, beans. and relish . Little Rich Kid . . . . . $1.00 braullschweiger. Swiss cheese, lettuce, tomato, bacon, American cheese, beans, and relish. Poor Boy . . . . . . . . 9S¢ ham. Swiss cheese, lettuce, corned beef tomato, pastrami" beans, and relish. Bistro . . . . . . . . . . SS¢ kipper snacks, Swiss cheese, lettuce, tomato, American cheese. onion, beans, and relish. Broiled Chopped Beef . . SS¢ broiled with Swiss cheese and egg. Served with tossed green salad, potato salad, beans and reTish. ~alait6 Shrimp Salad $1.55 Tossed Green Salad . 60¢ served with garlic bread and choice of dressing. ~OUp.6 Clam Chowder . . . 9S¢ (New England Style) Oyster Stew . . . . . . 9S¢ �llliuutrs "T" Bone $3.85 Filet of Tenderloin $3.75 Shrimp $2.90 Stuffed Pork Chops . .. $2.80 "'THE BISTRO'S dinners are full course and are served with relish tray. appetizer, tossed green salad, and dessert.' Beverage (except beer) ittr ittttU Budweiser and Coors on Tap Schooner 25t Small Beer 1St Extra Big Schooner 40¢ - Packaged Beer To Go - � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bistro menu, 1963 to 1966 Description An account of the resource The Bistro menu from 1963 to 1966. Includes items and prices for lunch and dinner menu. Lunch list includes sandwiches, salads, soups, side orders, beer menu, and soft drinks. Dinner menu includes steaks, sandwiches, salads, soups, dinners, and beer menu. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1963; 1964; 1965; 1966; Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Bear Lake (Utah); Bear Lake County (Idaho); Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Rich County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 3 Folder 15 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx003Fd15.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/061a829d363b4d8dc6b843fe48866776.pdf 78a7e1d7800517be92deaa0123d140a6 PDF Text Text �Steak Sandwich $1.75 boneless top sirloin, French fries, onion rings, salad, and garlic bread. $1.05 Submarine salomi, cheese, bologna, ham, corned beef, tomato, lettuce, beans, and relish. Guineau Grinder $1.05 Ham , Swiss cheese, bologna, American cheese. corned beef, salom i, gu ineau sauce, beans and relish. Li ttle Rich Kid $1.05 braunschweiger, Swiss cheese, le ttuce, tomato, bacon , American cheese, beans, and relish. Poor Boy . $1.00 ham , Swiss cheese, lettuce, corned beef tomato, pastrami, beans, and relish. Broiled Chopped Beef . $1.00 broiled with Swiss cheese and egg. Served with tossed green salad, potato salad, beans and relish. 95¢ Bistro kipper snacks, Swiss cheese, lettuce, tomato, American cheese, onion, beans, and relish. ~Al[LA~~ Tossed Green Salad 70¢ served with garlic bread and choice of dress ing. ~@1[D'~ Oyster Stew . Clam Chowder . $1.25 95¢ GARLIC BHEAD 301 & 60/ 35/ ON ION RI NGS 35, POTATO CEMS 50¢ & SI.OO SNICKER SNACKS Swiss and American cheese with onion sticks I �Budweiser and Coors on Tap Bistro Beer Mug (16 oz.) 35¢ Schooner 25¢ Small Beer 15¢ Pitcher - $1.25 - Packaged Beer To Go - Coors - Budweiser - Olympia $1.50 Six Pack .-. Luncheon Specialties Every Day 11 :30 - 2:00 Sandwiches Every Day 11 :30 a.m .. 10:00 p.m. .- . Sin gle order with extra plate / 251 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bistro menu, 1967 to 1969 Description An account of the resource The Bistro menu from 1967 to 1969. Includes items and prices. List includes sandwiches, salads, soups, side orders, beer menu, and soft drinks. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1967; 1968; 1969; Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Bear Lake (Utah); Bear Lake County (Idaho); Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Rich County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 3 Folder 16 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx003Fd16.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/8067c1bd27aa09269f09b6fbf00f7f17.pdf fffdd0bbe06dc84bbc531b69d62146f6 PDF Text Text 1 �Good Morning! BREAKFAST to. 1. Two Eggs, Hash Brown Potatoes, Taast and Coffee .............. 70¢ No.2. H ot C:tkr .. (3) Bu tt ... !'. t\'l fl plf> Syrnp. C:offf'c ~........................... 501' No.3. Short Slack (2 ) Butter, Maple Syrup, Coffee .......................... 4 5~\ No.4. H am and Eggs, Hash Brown Potatoes, Toast, Jelly, Coffee .... $1.00 Toasted English Muffin, Wild 1-1 uckleherry Jfl m .................................... Ofla earle Price! J UICES: Orange I Sr Tomato 15r Large 25r EGGS: One Egg any style 20r Two Eggs nny style 35r POT ATO : I-lash Browned ISr French Fried 20( BREADS: Buttered T O:lst l5r Sweet Roll 15r ~'IEAT : Fried Ham 45r Bacon 35¢ HOT DRI NKS : Coffee lOr Cold Fresh Milk J5¢ Milk a nd a Sweet Roll 30(' Hot Chocolate 15r Tca Pcr Pot 15(' 15(' �SOU P AND SALTED WAFERS ................................................................ DAILY SPEC IAL .......................................................................................... HOT MEAT AND VEGETABLE PIE, BREAD AND BUTTE R .......... HAMBURGER ................................................................................................ DOUBLEBURGER ........................................................................................ CHEESEBURGER ........................................................................................ FRENCH FRIES .......................................................................................... SEABURGER ................................................................................................ CHI LI AND SALTED WAFEIlS ................................................................ BAR.BE.QUE SANDWICH ........................................................................ HOGlE SAN .................................................................................................. HOT POIlK SANDWICH , POTATO AND GIlAVY ................................ FI SH-PLATE, TARTAR SAUCE, VEGETABLE, POTATO, IlHEAD AND BUTTER ....................................................................... 20¢ 851 70r 30t 50r 35t 20. 50r 40¢ 35t 60/ 85¢ SO¢ 13everag es COFFEE .................................... 101 - GOFFEE REFILLS .................... 51 MILK ........................................ 151 TEA ............................................ IS; IGE TEA ............................ 151 COKE ........................................ 10; lRONPORT AND GHERRY .. 10; ORANGE .................................. lOt ROOT BEER ............................ lOt MALTS ...................................... 351 SHAKES .................................... 351 SODAS ................................ 3Ol' SanJwick es (Toasted, 5¢ extra) HAM .......................................... SO/ TUNA ........................................ 50/ BEEF ........................................ 50/ TONGUE .................................. 45/ CHEESE .................................... 401 M INGED HAM ........................ 45¢ FHIED HAM AND EGG SANDW ICH ........ "Sr SalaJs PINEAPPLE AND COTTAGE c n EESE (Salted wafers also) 601 TUNA FISH .............................. 1>5; TOSSE D GIlEEN, BLE U CHEESE DRESSING .......... 45/ POTATO .................................. 50; S;de mde< Potato Salad 35f) 1Je55 erts P IE ............................................ 201 CAKE ........................................ 1St IGE CREAM ............................ 15< NUT SUNDAES ALAMODE ................................ 30; ALAMODE ................................ 251 SUNDAES .................................. 25; ...................... 351 • • • IF LOST, GO TO THE 'BIRD - YOUR FRIENDS ARE PROBABLY WA/ TI NG FOR YOU T H ERE! Lllnch Time: 11 :00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m ., tahle service 351' per person minimum � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bluebird menu, 1964 and 1965 Description An account of the resource Menu for the Bluebird Cafe in Logan, Utah from 1964 to 1965. Includes list of items and prices. Items include breakfast, daily specials, beverages, sandwiches, salads, and desserts. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1963; 1964; 1965; 1966; 1967; 1968; 1969; 1970; Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 4 Folder 2 Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx004Fd02.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/da464fd03caf66846e6545a31c8baedc.pdf 01e7ca87b5d96cb56acd4d5d00228cf2 PDF Text Text .P,..an..-4 ~kcliJ<,J ~'O'(flt6 "F" OOO" F"OR THE BODY "F" DDO· j• • It ,e .. F"DR TH E MIND �S oJa ~ul2t(lil2 S pecialties America's Favorite 4 \I ALTED \ IILKS 5Ot" \11 1...1\ ~ 11 \ KES. \N Y FLAVOB -'5f' ICE C n E.Ht - LAnCE DISH 20, SIIFIUlET$ 20(' 1('1' C UE \ \1 SOD \S .. U 1\ 1' \IIF\I1 \ \ \ Ith i:\ Til E BI~ C: I N~ I NC ; Fish Cocktail "A FIC Fon r ou n BI LL OF FAnE: SHOW ~IE YOU H BILL OF CO\IP'''~Y'' 401' fl , IH) T .JOf SOr P I't .1 11.\ I HESII 1.1 \ 11-: FIUT /. F Fli ESIl L F\IO'\ \ DE Fu r S11 I. I\ IF \ D E I. • •• lint Ch"(~I I ,11t- (1I1il ~ 1 I1 0t Cuff"I' 'hoUolll h·" n l p~ T\',I l}t'r pot ".mlo.1. P!hluill li nt C'i..rd. lint 1'1I 1I('h S PI.'t'i;ll t y :W!' ("T!'l1ll' Ell'(LI. ('O ff l'\' f 1.lv or 25c IS.' IS.' () ra ll ~" BLUEBIRD CHEESEBURGER T o mato and Onion Slice Fre nch Frie d Potato, 951' IS; 15' I( E CBEA \ 1 SU NDAE lOr \\ilh P t't';Uh 401' 2. HAM AND ECCS Il n~ h Ilmwllt'd POlato TO:l~t and corret· 81..').'i J lI il'l' 20(' T om,Ito JII K1.· 20c OUt" II.l lf (:r.lp.·(ruil IO\" Frill! Co("\..I .til 1111" Soup du jOllr 301' • •• GII~ " C:'u dl m '\t·uh ... rt,:t·r Salads FRIEl) SPIUNG ClUCKEN Cold French Fried Potato 81.60 Roll and Butter ••• lIL t T OlI1D SPEC! \L \\ 1I .leI \\(' lb lrd II\(, Ix ·ople w ho \..(·pt II) l"('mp O\t"r th ... J.I~t 51 )t'a ...... it would Iw.\t' hel'o lUll:':. ;I. I l l' "ould pmudl~ ~ 11I)\\ it to \ Jr. S" ifl ,mt! 01 \Iho ;lsh 'd , T h;}.t lI o nde rflil J. ~ t of friends ;Iud \\ r.L reh has 1-ti\O.~ n us muc h pll';Ls uH' ,lTld it 1)lt',,\I'\ l1S , .Ltld ) Ollr I1 ;Hlll' . Good food ,md .'(ood ('()mp-lIl) f, ou r p,Ltro n ~. !h,Lt i ~ O\Lr ~O ,ll. \I " . 3. Sp ecia l SUI,Jies _5u ,II • • • 1'1...t { 4. A\IERI C \ ~ T·· U.. I ~~. C lllL . Ch , "" II. ~l t \',.",d. ,. .\ II." "'~'. 1'E\IP1' \T10 \ .. ~,.."I" Fre nc h Frit.-d Potalo H ot Sa uce. Roll and BuliN . . , SL60 . . .. ' .. I,. C" ..... ~" ... t.,.,,,, and 1',...."''''''"' f'", ... and U ....) 1',.."" "",. \I .,..,. CO,\E Y lSI \'\1) I'.." . , I •• (, ..... on,t .... 5 ..... 100:1. ~' ''''1\hUlIOW . . . " ",,' .....I (.",",., l'<L'T SALAD \'" . ~'~'I. S"."!...rry ond I',nupp"" (;h.,,,y. ~~ .. and Fll l !T c.....~. r ,. .. ) r,.~m c••• n,t \lk,,1 II.n .. " •• , JI,,,.... I'I ,I~ 'I."I"".U.,\o And (:1..." "... IT\:E\PI'I .E 1lI .0 SS0\ J 11 ...1 II ~"",, ... \1~,,1 I',,,, '1'1" ~""I. 1"n'''I'I'I~, ~ u" ~,,,t I'"." n. \,.\'\ \ SPL("'I \\. . \"..,,,!!I., ~hrimp 8 1 1.') "', Shrimp IWl1lq m'! . 1.·50 C O\lPLE TE SI-IBI M P OR C III C KE:'II" D1NN E IlS _ ,' 2.50 \ ·,·t,:t,t,lltl,' CIlHlI)ination ,I1. WI d, !\" ...... \,. .... 10" •.,. • ...1 v ... I ,~ II t.",!. ".un :-;ub and U ..."y. I . • •• , H ih~ ., JOe edrd) 1 hI.' IlIl1dmd ') Spt'd.11 Clll h I loml' S.lIldwid l $ 1.50 ~ L3.') AND OTHER DELICIOUS r:>OD FROM THE GRIDDLE Ro.lsi Bl'l,f T- lio Llt· Stt·.lk . $·1.50 \1111('('(1 1I ••kc~ 1 Il am 6.')1' T t' ndt'rI,.i ll -54.25 Swh~ IIr ,\ nl('ri c.Ul C "CC~t· 601 C h l"t' ~I' 7·'ir B.I(,()11 a lit! T um.do • • • T h ursd .IY l:!:I !" 81 .:15 &5< 751' ami 1111 111 3.5" H ('Sl' I"\'e (he ba nqul't room ) 'OU d .'sirc now. ~ 1.1kc r our wishcs known to the Iltb tl'SS, Bl u(·hi rd Uleu C h, of Ikd S.mdwicil B,I\..l'd 11.\111 "1.j() TILe Bl uehinl h.ls the f.ICilitil's ;\IId (Ill' s(.lff t" (.Ike cart' o f you r CI'cr)' nCl'(L Luochcons, Tc.I~. D inner P;lrtics ,mel other SI)I.'<:'i.11 En'llls art' a p lt-astl rc \\ hCIl ) OU h.J\c Blucbi rd food , servil'e and l:id litics. Il o me m.td t, \l nyo n n'liw Fa·lll·h, 1000 Id,mcl, 1I ".." cd Almond •. Ifot no,lst o f tlw day. pot.ltO, .l!r.I\) Ilot PrilO(, C hi('\" t' ll Salad Tos.~cd C r c~.'ns BANQUET FAC ILITIES Yf)tlr dlOi(-c of J)r"s~ il1 ~; C,u n'. S a IIdw ic/zes (To;I~t<.·d 85, CO l t. l ~t· C het ·s~· 60t 50, CUE \I £,: f I ECT\ SlJ~D \ E c. It.... '" .. , I" r",_..., (;..If. · \t"'P' G5t I'illl'ilpplt' .m (\ ••• 1.,.. C,n"" . 'S1 .5O Fri ll! Supr,·Hl.· C .... ,,) . Lou ie 50¢ . nd . • J UMBO FRIED SJ-IRIMP flO( .s 1.25 T o p SIr lo in 84.00 C lloJlPcd Ht,c( S!('ak ( .. ,.,.~ I ,h t'r .L1Lt! I..LlIl h C hoJl~ n .I{"()!l IllI for lite:' fril'lUb .md Jun·d ont S Se nd Can\.l n·s Bl ut" hi rd CIII)(.. o l .II "~ $:2.75 F.LLI10 U", for t,:f)(,Jm'" S.1. :15 .~.2.'5 ;lnd .111 tilt" Trimmings: SOIlP or Tomato Jll ice. Assorh'd n ('li , h ('~, \'C',L.~. , t. l hl c, POLli O, Bo lI .tIlt! Blltt t' r, D irull" r S:l lad, C:offt,t' • .\lilk nr Or,Lnt,:(', !lIm ·hird Pi.'. C.lk \· o r Ie.., C rl·.llIl . \.LL(· sinn.' 19 ( J COlllp!t'l t' tn.lil or tJ..IIl LT\ 't'nit,t' • \\'ed lL e ~J. I )' I l. PI,Ll'c }'lIlr Ilrckr .11 lilt' C .ll lt!~ n .tr. 15 �" FOOO· FOR THE SPIRIT � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bluebird menu, 1966 and 1967 Description An account of the resource Menu for the Bluebird Cafe in Logan, Utah from 1966 to 1967. Includes list of soda fountain specialties, special sundies, sandwiches, "America's Favorite 4" : Bluebird cheeseburger, ham and eggs, fried spring chicken, and jumbo fried shrimp, steaks, fish cocktail, and salads. Brochure also includes promotional material for Logan. Images of Bluebird sign lit up with the caption of "Food" for the Body; Old Main with caption "Food" for the mind, and the Logan L.D.S. temple with the caption "Food" for the spirit. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Outdoor Recreation; Menu; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Brochures; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1966; 1967; Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 4 Folder 3 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx004Fd03.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/6cdccbfcfcfd1a719a1d278eecf7db47.pdf 7f3b71b46dc83134957edc69fab47809 PDF Text Text �Orange ........ 20¢ and 35¢ Grapefruit (~) ...................... 35¢ Fresh Fruit in Season .......... 45¢ Tomato ........20¢ and 35¢ ( stmwbcrri cs, peac hes. pears, mspberries) Pn lllcs .................................... 35¢ JUICE OF FRES HLY SQUEEZED O RANGES ............ 40¢ No. C IIOICE: Ham , and Eggs, I-lash Browned Potato, Toast and Jelly, Coffee $1.40 I - YAN KEE No. 2-Brcakfast Steak, One Egg, J)otatoes, Toast and Jelly, Coffee ........................ $ 1.95 No.3 -Two Eggs, Hash Browned Potato, To..1.st and Jelly, Coffee ............................ 80\\ No. 4-T wo Hot Cakes, Ham, Bacon or Sausage, Butter, Ma ple Syrup. Coffee _. $1.00 No. 5-0nc Egg, Ham, Bacon or Sausage, Toast and Jelly. Coffee .......................... $1.00 (with I-lash Brown Potato 8 1.15) Short Stack Hot Cakes, Crea mery Butter, Maple Syrup, ~'Iil k or Coffee .. 55¢ Fu ll Stack I-I ot Cakes, Crea mery Butter, Maple Syrup. Milk or Coffee .. 65f Fresh CriSp Waffl e. Creamery Butter, :\ Inple Sywp. ~ l i lk or Coffee ...... 6.'5( �Canadian Bacon ........................ 50¢ Country Sa usage ...................... 4S¢ Smoked Ham Slice ................. 65¢ 1 F resh Egg .............................. 25¢ Four Slices Bacon ................... 50¢ 2 Fresh Eggs ............................ 40¢ Hashed Brow n Potatoes .......... 20¢ HAM OMELET. HASH BHOWNS, TOAST, CO FFEE .... SI.25 r r) .. rll rl JDIHH Il1W 1 .. !J!n!:I _2.>.} r) P__ I I 2> ~' IW Cinnamon Toast ............. . Breakfast Roll, Plai n or Toasted .. Toast, Jelly French Toast, 30r .......................................................... 20¢ ............................................................................................... 201 ~'I il pl e Syrup .. _....... __....... _.................................................... 751 Milk Toast .................................................................................................... 4S¢ D ry Cereal with Half and l-blf Crea m ...................................................... 40¢ Cream of Wh eat and Half and Half Cren lll .............................................. 40r .......................... 40r Oatmeal wit h Half and Half Cream An v Cerea l with Toast or Breakfast Roll ............... . ............ _.. 5.5¢ .. \' .. r !'J!IJI !:J!2> B r)rlrl"~l Deli cious Coffee ( bottomless cup ) .............................. ISy Hot Chocolate .._....................... l S¢Black or Green Tea .................. 15¢ Sweet Milk ._............... lS y Buttermi lk ................................ 1 5t~ Jnstant PostUIl1 ................ ........ 15¢ � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bluebird menu, 1968 Description An account of the resource Breakfast menu for The Bluebird Cafe in Logan, Utah. Includes image of cowboy on a horse at Tony Grove Lake in Logan Canyon. Breakfast menu includes juices, fruits, club breakfasts, waffles and hot cakes, meats and eggs, cereals, toast and rolls, and beverages. Prices also included. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1968 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 4 Folder 4 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx004Fd04.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/09fa73907a9b3a7b09025577f6703c43.pdf 5c1b5b929550459e47862d435ae40f26 PDF Text Text �CChanbqivinq It is appropriate on this day for all of us here at Th e Bluebird to participate in Thanks· Giving. In OUT 58th year, we of The Blu ebird - past and present - appreciate your patronage. Other food choices are available. Ask waitress for Th e Blu ebird l. . cgular Menu . )'OUI' I �3-£oliJalj 1)inner 0ppetizen Iced Tomato Juice V-8 Juice Festive Fruit Cup Chilled Fresh Apple Cider Cream of Tomato Soup [drees ROAST UTAH TURKEY 3.25 Hazelnut Dressing, Giblet Gravy, Potato and Cape Cod Cranberries BAKED SUGAR CURED HAM 3.25 Sweet Potato, Glozed Pineapple Ring ROAST PRIME RIBS OF BEEF, NAT URAL GRAVY 4.75 Baked Idaho Potato Pilgrim's Salad with Cho:ce of Dressing Served with All of the Above <U(;) Fump}cin Pie Apple Pie with Cracker Barrel Cheese Bra ndied Mince to.'leat Pie A Selection of Ice Creams and Sherbets Coffee Tea Milk For Children Under 8 Choice of Fruit Cup or Juice TURKEY, HAM 0' CHOPPED STEAK 2.25 Choice of D essert and Beverage ~-- �l • I I • I i / II • ��BEEF STEAKS STEAK SANDW ICH Salod, Toost, French Fries 2. 45 TENDERLOIN 4 . 25 SPEC IA L T- BONE 5.25 TO P SIRLOIN 3.75 GROUND ROUND 2.05 CUBE STEAK . I. 95 . CH ICKEN FRIED STEAK 2 . 00 I"ototo, Solad and rolls included _11 .. 11 ..... HII ................ II II.UII,II Appetilel'r OUR HOMEMADE SOUP SHRIMP COCKTAIL JUI CES FRESH FRU IT S 1/2 G RAP EF RU IT . . 40 1.00 20- . 35 45-.35 . 40 I ~ellfoot!r ~.~3 : • : FRIED JUMBO SHR IM P . HALIBUT STEAK . •:i : OCEAN PLATTER , Shri mps, Scal lops, Cod • 8evel'IlfU . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 40 : • . 2.25 : . 2 . 25 2.50 OY STER S IN SEASON . . . . . . . . . 15 Soup or Sa lod, French Fries or Whipped Potato , Souces .20 : Ro II and Butter . 15 n ..... ,I ••,I., ........................................... , ••, •••• ,1, ..... '....... ,111,. .20 . 20 . 15 COFFEE M ILK SOFT DRINK S TEA, San ko, Po stum HOT CH OCOLATE ICED TEA . . . I'riet! Chickell TENDER - GOLDEN FR IED CHICKE N Tossed Sa lod and Fren ch Fried Potatoes /)urel'tr Pie - With Baked Pototo . . . Fresh today f rom our own ovens . . . 2. 25 2. 40 . . 40 A 10 Mode . . . . . . . . . . . 55 CAKE . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 BLUEBIRD FRESH BERRY PIE , In Season . 55 BLUEBI RD ICE CREAM . . . . 30 Th urs.- 12, 15 CA RDON'S B LUEBIRD CHOCO LATES "Olrt of Good 1'.,te" I LlII . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . .. . .. . . ,IIIII . . . . . . . . . . , •• ,IIII .. ~ .......... IIIII . . . ' "11'1;; Tues. - 12:00 • Wed. - 12,00 We invite you to examine our 4 Privote Dining Ro oms . Complete facilities for business meetings, socials, weddings, co cktail buffets. Ask your waitress for Catering Department assistance. �- ~ .i- 1111 1 . . . 11 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .... . . . . . . ,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . " 111 . . . . . 111 11 . . ~ All /)11 y BrelllclllS't ; BACON , SAUSAGE", HAM & EGGS : SHRIMP LO UIE. SHR IMP BOUQUET I. 75 I. 75 C HIC KEN SALAD. 1.60 FRUIT SU PREM E 1.35 § Hash Browns, Toast and Je ll y : Lots of Hot Coffee ; 1.60 : . i I ~.I I.I.IIII . . . II ••• I . . . . I . .. ... . III . . . . . I ..... I I I II .. . " "' " I •• I1 . . . SIlml ,.,i clJeS' PI NEAPPLE or PEAR and COTTAGE CHE ESE TOSSED FRES H GREEN S ~ .90 .40 FlESH VEGET AILE SALAD Your Choice of Our Own So lad (T oosted .10 Extra) BACON & TOMATO BAKED HAM I. 10 .80 .80 MINCED BAK ED HAM CHEESE Dressi ngs: French, 1000 Island, Mayonna ise, or Bleu Cheese .70 ROAST BEE F .85 SLICED CH ICKEN 0 ' TURKEY 1.35 BLUEB IRD CLU BHOUSE . . . 1.35 ICE CREAM SODAS, Any Flovor .50 PA RFA ITS. . . . wi th Pecans FRESH LIME FREEZE FRES H LEMONADE .45 .55 • .60 . 30 FRE SH LI MEAD E M AL TED M I LKS • .40 .55 • MI LK S HAKES Any Flavor ICE CREAM SUNDAES . BANAN A SPEC IAL, Whole Banana, Strawberry and Van ill a Ice Cream, Pin eappl e Fruit , Pecon Nuts HOT FU DGE SUNDA E . D ELUXE CHEESEBURG ER French Fries, Garnish PLA IN N UTRITIO U S HAMBU RG ER . . . . . 70 . . . . . . . . . .75 . . . . . . . • . .50 H ot SIl1ld,.,icIJesHOT ROAS T SAN DW ICH Whi pped Potato, Bluebi rd Gravy C REME ElECT A SUNDAE, Coffee Nut Ice Cream, Coffee Syrup, Roosted Almonds . . . . . . 1. 60 Pri vate Banquet Rooms . 65 BLU EB IRD SPECIA L, Strawberry and Van illa Ice Cream, Strawberry Fruit, Whipped Cream and Cherry . . .55 TEDDY BEAR , Real Choco late Ice Cream, Cho colate Caramel Dressing , Roosted Almonds and . 60 Dipped Almonds, Cherry. . . . . . . . . . AMER ICAN G IRL, Two Flavors of Ice Cream and One She rbet, Marshma ll ow Dressi ng, Pecan Nuts ~Ch~ 1. 05 . 50 .40 . 50 with Pecans and Che rry HIlIJ1IJ lIrferS' Candy and Nut Moil Order Service orr Pre mi se s Cat ering ~~ - ~?~ ' -=~~=-~~ The Blue bi rd is Cache Volley's ----~ "FU LL ""- te'===''' SERV ICE " RESTAURAN T " " " - . . . . . . . . . . . . . .~ N UT SA LAD, Vanil la Ice Cream , Strawberry a nd Pineapple Fruit, Pecan Nuts, Marshma llow and Cherry . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CONEY ISLAND, Chocolat e and Vani lla Ice Cream St rawberry and Pine app le Fruit, Sliced Bananas, Ground N uts and Che rry. . . . . . . . . TEMPTAT ION FRU IT , Vanilla Ice Cream, Sl iced Bananas, Pineapple a nd Strawberry Fruit, Marshmall ow and C herries . . . . . . . . Ki ddi e Cor1ler .65 . ao .65 HAMBURG ER . . " .70 C HICKY , Drumst ick and w ing , French Fries, Orange or Milk , Ice Cream . 1 .20 POR KY PI G, Baked Hom San dwi ch , Chips , Drin k, Ice Cream. . . . . . . 1 .1 0 �,• �A facia l express ion of Good-Will: Eyes spark le, lip corners turn heavenwa rd . The ligh t from the eyes emana tes from the sou l and is corpuscular in nature . It enters the beho lder's head and scoots away worry! Smiles . . . Marvelous expressions! ':Breakla"t Special" BREAKFAST SPECIAL No. 1 Orange or Tomato Ju ice TWO GOLDEN BROWN HOT CAKES Thre e Piec es Cr is p Bacon , Coffee 1.040 BREAKFAST SPECIAL No.2 Orange or Tomato Juice CANADIAN BACON TWO SCRAMBLED EGGS Ha sh Brown Potatoes Buttered Toast Fresh Coffee 1.65 BREAKFAST SPECIAL No. 3 THR EE GOLDEN BROWN HOT CAK ES Two Fresh Ranch Egg5 HOlm or B.con or S. U" ge Lots of CoHee 1.80 THREE LARGE HOT CAKES , Butter . Syrup and CoHee . .... .... .............. .... . TWO LARGE HOT CA k ES, Butte r. Syrup and CoHee ... . ... ........ ......... ..... TWO LARGE HOT CA KES & TWO LARGE FRESH EGGS, CoHee ....... .... TWO HOT CAKES & TWO EGGS, Sausage, Ham or Bacon and Coffee . . ................ . ,..... , ..... .... .. ........... ..... ...... ... ................ .... TWO HOT CA KES , Side of Hash Browns and Coff ee .. .... ........... .... .. ......... SOc SSe 1 .15 1.75 90c �Below Serve d with Crisp Hash Browns , Toast , Jelly and Loh of Fr es h Coffee TENDER HAM STEAK & TWO EGGS ..... LINK or COUNTRY SAUSAGE & TWO EGGS . 1.70 1.50 CRISP BACON & TWO EGGS ... ........ .. ONE LARGE RANCH EGG & CRISP BACON 1.55 1.35 HAM OMELmE ..... .. ..................... .............. .. ....... _....... _. PLAIN OMELmE .......... :........ ....................... ......... . . 1.65 1.25 TWO EGGS I Any Style I ..................................... STEAK & EGGS. Potatoes , Toa st and Coffee .... .. 2.50 ONE EGG .................................. 25c TWO EGGS .............................. HAM .......................................... BACON ...................................... SAUSAGE .................................. HASH BROWNS ...................... 45c IIOc HOT CEREAL, Toast ud J elly, Half and Half ................... . COLD CEREAL with Half and Half ... ... .. .. .. ....... . 95e TWO PIECES OF TOAST and J elly . FRENC H TOAST, Three Piece s MILK TOAST ...... ... . CINNAMON TOAST . HOT LARGE BUTTERHORN DONUT . ......... _. ..... ....... . roc 65c 40c TOMATO ORANGE 65c SOc G RA PEFRUIT 30e 85c 60e oWe 25c 15c .20· .35 .20· .35 .20· .35 ======== ':Be.,era~e" ======== COFFEE .................................... . .15 HOT CHOCOLATE .. TEA ........................ ................. . .20 MILK . .. .. ... ..... SANKA .... .............................. . 20 . 20 . 20 We Are Proud of Our Coffee. A Specia l Blend I, Suppl ied By : COOK'S COFFEE It Is the Best Available When Combined with Pure Canyon Water and Served Hot and Fresh. W e Don't Thin k You Will Find Any Better. "We Hope You Enioy It! " � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bluebird menu, 1970 to 1975 Description An account of the resource Thanksgiving Holiday dinner at the Bluebird Cafe includes appetizers, entrees, desserts, and children's dinner. Includes Bluebird Regular menu. List of beef steaks, appetizers, beverages, desserts, seafoods, fried chicken, fresh tasty salads, all day breakfast, sandwiches, hamburgers, hot sandwiches, kiddie corner, and ye olde marble soda shoppe. Includes breakfast menu of specials, hot cakes, eggs and omlettes, side orders, toast and rolls, cereals, juices, and beverages. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1970; 1971; 1972; 1973; 1974; 1975; Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 4 Folder 6 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx004Fd06.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/c910cc659f111b5190ffe6b0117c48d9.pdf a23f136d56bcaf718483c65ec2584877 PDF Text Text Our I Q77mcnu CO" • "No~tJIg.iJ" .. ~dicalcd (0 Mr. M.N. Neube rger. gCllIlcman pJr cX\."l·11 nee ;uul a founder of the Bluebird. now serving in his 64 lh year. SINCE 1914 �BEEF STEAKS STEAK SANDW ICH . . . Salad, Toast , French Fri es TENDERLO IN TOP SIRLOIN GROUND ROUND CHICKEN FRIED STEAK Pototo , Salad and rolls included " l f I ..... IIIIIIII ...... IIII ......... "III.11I Appetizerr OUR HOMEMADE SOUP SHR IMP COCKTAil JUICES . ... . . FRESH FRU IT S . . . . FRESH HA LF G RA PEF RUIT Bevel'llfeS' . lJ ......... I I . . ~ . . . . . .;!: ! I I I I . I II . I . I •••• I I . .. . . . . . COFFEE M i lK . .. . SOFT DR INKS . TEA , POSTUM HOT CHOCOLATE ICED TEA. SA NKA • ~ . -·................ . . ' ." ~ ..:~ I~ ... . SellfoodS' FRIED JUMBO SHRIMP . 1111.1; ,-, . HA LI BUT STEAK OCEAN PLATT ER, Shrimps , Scallops, Cod OYSTERS IN SEAS O N . . . . . . . . Sou p or Salad, French Fries Of Whipped PGtfl0, Sauces, Roll and Butter OtS'S'tl'tS' Baked Potato . PIE - Fresh today from ou r own ovens A 10 Mode . . CAKE ....... . . . . . Fried CAicke/l BLUEB IRD FRESH BERRY PIE, In Season BLUEB IRD ICE CREAM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1111 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.'. . . . . TENDER - GO LDEN FRIED CH ICKEN Tossed Solad and French Fried Potatoes With Baked Pototo . . . . . . . SPECI AL DIET PLATE S Turkey Breast an d Solad Frui t and C ottage Cheese . . Roast Beef, Vegetobl e, Salad . (Melba Toasts or Ro JI) • Thurs.- 12:15 CARDON'S BLUE BI RD CHOCOLATES "GIft of Good Taste " Tues. - 12:00 Wed . - 12,00 We invite yo u to examine our 4 Pri vate Dining Ro oms . Comp lete fa cilities for business meetings, socia ls, weddings, co cktail buffets. Ask your waitress for Catering Deportment assistance. �--: --: -- ---: --: 1...... ,1, ..... " ............ ,., ....... ,11, .... , .............. , ••• 11',1.1 : :: : l'reS'o I'IlS'tlJ Sa/adS' SHRI MP l O UIE . . SHRI MP BOUQUET C HIC KEN SA LAD . FRU IT SUP REM E PINEAPPLE or PEAR and COTT AGE CHEE SE TOSSED FRESH GREEN S BACON, SAUSAGE 0' HAM & EGGS Has h Browns, Toast and Jelly l ots of Hot Coffee , ••• ,11 . . . . . . . . . . , . . . . " ••••• ,1 . . . . . . . . . , ••• ,111 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1IIIINf SlUldwicneS' (Toasted . 10 Extra) BAC ON & TOMATO BAKED HAM MINCED BA KED HAM CHEESE ROAST BEEF SLI CED TU RKEY BLUEBIRD C LUBHOUSE. Your Cho ice o f Our Own Salad Dressings: French, 1000 Island , Mayonnai se, or Bl eu Cheese ICE CREAM SODAS, Any Flavor PARFAITS. . . . HaJlllJlIrftrS' with Pecons DELU XE CHEESEBURGER FRESH li ME FREEZE FRESH lEMONADE FRES H LIMEAD E French Fries, Garnish PLAIN NUTRITIOU S HAMBU RGER . . . . MALTED MILKS . MILK SHAKES Any Flavor ICE CREAM SUNDAES . with Pecons HOT ROAST SAN DWICH BANANA SPECI AL, Whole Banano, Strawberry and Vanil la Ice Cream , Pi neapp le Fruit, Pecan Nuts Whi pped Pototo, Blueb ird Gravy and C h,erry . . . . . . . . . . . . . HOT FUDGE SUNDAE . . . . . . . . . . CREME ELECTA SUND AE , Coffee Nut Ice Cream, Coffee Syrup , Roosted Al monds : :: . . . . . Privat e Banquet Rooms . BLUEBI RD SPECI AL, Strawberry and Vanilla Ice Cream, St rawberry Fruit I Wh ipped Cream and Cherry . . TEDDY BEAR, Real Chocolate Ice Cream, C hocol ate Caramel Dressing, Roasted Almonds and Dipped Almonds, Cherry. . . . . . . . . . AMERICAN GIRL, Two Flovors of Ice Cream and One Sherbet, Morshmallow Dressing, Pecan Nuts ond Cherry .... . . . . NU T SALAD,Vani lla Ice Cream, Straw berry and Pi neappl e Fruit, Pe can Nuts, Marshmoll ow and Cherry. . . . . . . . . . . . . . CONEY ISLAND, Choco late and Vonilla Ice Cream Strawberry and Pi neappl e Fru it, Sliced Bananos, Ground N uts ond Cherry. . . . . . . . . TEM PTATI ON FRUIT , Van illa Ice Cream, Sliced Bananas, Pineapple and Strawbe rry Fruit, Marshmo ll ow and Cherries . . . . . . . . Con dy and Nut Moi l Order Service O ff Premises Catering ~~_ ~7~~~~~~ The Bluebird is Coche Vo lley's ~=""" ' - - -... "FUll SERVIC E" RESTAU RANT ~ ~~~ Kiddie Cornel' HAMBURGER . . . . C HI CKY, Drumstick ond w ing, French Fri es, O ronge or Milk, Ice Cream PORKY PIG , Baked Hom Sandw ic h , Chips, Drink, Ic e Cream . . . . . . ��~~w;a ~ .~4':'·<J1!·& ~ V-8 Juice Fruit Cup Bluebird Vegetable Beef Soup or Tomato Juice ROAST YOUNG TOM TURKEY - $3.95 Whipped Potato Giblet Gravy ROAST TOP ROUND OF BEEF . $4.15 Mashed Potato, Bluebird Gravy SEAFOOD PLA TTER . $4.65 French Fried Potato ROAST PRIME RIBS OF BEEF au jus .. $5.95 Baked Potato • • • Tiny Whole Bluelake Green Beans • • • Crispy Greens Salad· Choice of Dressing • Coffee • fruit Punch Milk • • • Cocoanut Cream Apple Boysenberry Pie Assorted Bluebird Ice Creams Fresh Strawberry Pie (20c extra) · . . Complete Ala Carte Menu Available �Fruit Cup V-8 Juice Tomato Juice or Veqetable Beef Soup M ILLER'S PREMI UM BAKED HAM Pineapple Ring Au Gratin Po tato Small Whole Bluelake Green Beans Tossed Garden Greens, Thousand Island Dressing RoJI and Butter - Choice of Beverage Bluebird's ovm Pies, Cake or Ice Cream $4.10 Luscious F resh Strawberry Pie - 20c ,ex tra �> • • ,I ;~ I! I; " Il � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bluebird menu, 1976 to 1981 Description An account of the resource Regluar Bluebird Cafe menu includes beef steaks, appetizers, beverages, desserts, seafoods, fried chicken, fresh tasty salads, all day breakfast, sandwiches, hamburgers, hot sandwiches, kiddie corner, and ye olde marble soda shoppe (prices not listed). Also includes special Easter Holiday dinner. menu Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1976; 1977; 1978; 1979; 1980; 1981; Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 4 Folder 7 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx004Fd07.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/c305fdbaec4750e63db50bcaf19ad334.pdf fc843519c15f8f37685b09cc34474074 PDF Text Text I' \ "Little Ty k e s" Specials f rOIll (Children under 12) "', �The Bluebird's Children's Menu foods designed for easy eating - Planned to make Eating O ut, with the family a pleasure! BOZO Hamburger Patty Mashed Potato and Gravy Bread and Butter Vegetable~ Milk (lI' Orangeade Ice Cream $1.00 Drumstick and Wing French Fried Potato Orangeade or Milk Ice Cream $1.10 PETER RABBIT SOUpy CHILD'S NAME Son Moo 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. S. 9. 10. To," W"" Th~ Frl Sot Get up in the morning when called Get dressed all by myself Keep my room neat Hang up my clothes Come home when mother.calls Eat all of my meals Wash hands and face when needed Brush teeth carefully Go to bed on time Be sure to kiss and hug mother and dad before going to bed Mashed Potato and Gravy Vegetable. Lettuce, Orangeade or Milk Bread and Butter Ice c...am sO¢ Hey kids - - - want to be Mother's helper? Use this check chart to remind you to do your jobs around the house. Hang this chart in your bedroom and check it every day. Be a good he lper at home this easy Check-Chart way. Fruit Juioe Bowl of Todays Soup Salted Crackers Milk or Orangeade Ice Cream 70¢ BAA BAA Grilled Lamb Chop Mashed Potato and Vegetable Bread and Butter Milk or Orangeade Ice Cream $1.25 PORKIE PIG Baked Ham Sandwich Potato Chips. Slice Piclde Milk or Orangeade Ice Cream 90¢ �M others a nd Fa thers love their Chilaren xoxo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 A B C DE F G H I j K L M N O P Q RSTUVWXYZ We must all use our best ma nners alw ays. If you ea t everythinq up and are nice m ayb e m other will brinq y ou to the Blu eb ird next w eek. (Take thi s Menu home and use the chart inside) � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Bluebird menu, Little Tykes specials, 1969 Description An account of the resource Little Tykes Specials from the Bluebird Cafe in Logan, Utah from 1969. Menu items include bozo (hamburger patty, mashed potato and gravy, bread and butter, vegetable, milk or Orangeade, Ice cream), chicky (drumstick and wing, French fried potato, Orangeade or milk, ice cream) peter rabbit (mashed potato and gravy, vegetable, lettuce, Orangeade or milk, bread and butter, Ice cream), soupy (fruit juice, bowl of Today's soup, salted crackers, milk or Orangeade, ice cream), baa baa (Grilled lamb chop, mashed potato and vegetable, bread and butter, milk or Orangeade, ice cream), and porkie pig (baked ham sandwich, potato chips, slice pickle, milk or Orangeade, ice cream). Includes a Mother's helper check chart. Back reads: "Mothers and Fathers love their children...We must all use our best manners always. If you eat everything up and are nice maybe mother will bring you to the Bluebird next week. (Take this Menu home and use the chart inside)" Subject The topic of the resource Tourism; Menus; Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Menus; Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available J. P. Smith Printing Company; Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1969 Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States; Language A language of the resource eng; Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989, COLL MSS 431 Box 4 Folder 5 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Collection inventory of the J.P. Smith Printing Company records, 1961 - 1989 please see: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv99395</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS0431Bx004Fd05.pdf https://highway89.org/files/original/acd4efc67b4d20e8f12a1af12ebfea80.jpg 3a6c7832739e6831dabd46f8d2b77f7e Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Where else is this found? Give the URL for the item, if it is in another respository (like CONTENTdm) <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/234">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/LoganCanyon/id/234</a> Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library using Epson Expression 10000 scanner, 8-bit RGB, at 600 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (600 dpi) display file is JPEG2000 Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2011-11-02 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Cascade, Logan Canyon, Utah, ca. 1935 Description An account of the resource The Cascade, Logan Canyon. Color postcard, ca. 1935. (3.5 x 5.5 in) Subject The topic of the resource Logan Canyon (Utah) Waterfalls--Utah--Logan Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Black and white photographs Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan Canyon (Utah) Cache County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1930-1939 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Postcard collection, 1895-1990, P0031 UT:046 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Postcard collection, 1895-1990 can be found at: <a href="http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv12420">http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv12420</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Libraries Photograph Curator, phone (435) 797-0890 Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Postcard collection, 1895-1990, P0031 Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context P0031UT046 Date Created Date of creation of the resource. ca. 1935 Date Modified Date on which the resource was changed. 1905-04-18 Is Version Of A related resource of which the described resource is a version, edition, or adaptation. Changes in version imply substantive changes in content rather than differences in format. Logan Canyon Reflections https://highway89.org/files/original/09d2eb0ee9163e043b27664ccecc8354.jpg 6fe9dc00fbc53f4558fbfe0a57f5fb5e Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2259 Width Width of digital item in pixels 2960 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example Grayscale File Size Size of the file in bytes. 947981 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi); display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2013-08-29 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Drifter Restaurant road sign in Kane County Description An account of the resource Scenic 89 tourism road sign photographed along Highway 89 in Kane County as part of a project by the State Department of Highways to document Utah highways signs. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah State Department of Highways Subject The topic of the resource Kane County (Utah) United States Highway 89 Roads--Signs Advertising Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Black and white photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1967-08-25 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Milepost 024.30 (Utah) US 89 (Utah) Kane County (Utah) United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1965-1975 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Outdoor Advertising Sign Inventories, Series 959, Box 5. Folder 1. Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 00959005001_Drifter.jpg Advertising and Marketing Road Signs Transportation https://highway89.org/files/original/7a7fee9fc22e0e48726533b3c2a182c3.jpg bde049d5725d507f6f076ba0d7fbe004 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Image Height 5136 Image Width Image Width in pixels 5192 Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 1200 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example RGB Checksum 9c930f4badb4f9253b642088ba9a4e97 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 72411642 Conversion Specs Scanned by Northern Arizona University. Cline Library using Epson 2450 scanner Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order a print or digital file of this item, please see Northern Arizona University. Cline Library's Reproduction Order Form at: <a>http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ordering/#ordering</a> Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://cdm16748.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/cpa/id/9474">http://cdm16748.contentdm.oclc.org:80/cdm/ref/collection/cpa/id/9474</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Encinosa Fire burns down 89A in Oak Creek Canyon, July '90. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Dudley, Steve Subject The topic of the resource Encinosa Fire, Coconino National Forest, Ariz., 1990; Forest fires; Forest fire fighters; United States. Forest Service Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Color Photograph, 11x15 cms. Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1990 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Coconino National Forest (Ariz.); Oak Creek Canyon (Ariz.); United States Highway 89 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Digital surrogates are the property of the repository. Reproduction requires permission, please contact special.collections@nau.edu. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Dudley, Steve Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context NAU_10418.jpg https://highway89.org/files/original/a06b82c72b85fd7d7b40ac5fa59e88e8.pdf 4e8a109b375643088193b5957de26ba1 PDF Text Text The Falls in Winter. Montpelier Canon, Montpelier, Idaho �� Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/1768">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/1768</a> Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please see Utah State University's Reproduction Order Form at:<a> https://library.usu.edu/specol/using/copies.php</a> Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library Height Height of digital item in pixels 3346 Width Width of digital item in pixels 2192 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 600 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example RGB Checksum 392464432 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 4656974 Bytes Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Fall in Winter, Montpelier Canon, Montpelier, Idaho, 1909 Description An account of the resource The Fall in Winter, Montpelier Canon, Montpelier, Idaho, 1909. Signed and inscribed on the back from Anna to William. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Greaves, William C. Subject The topic of the resource Postcards Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographic postcards Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Montpelier (Idaho) Bear Lake County (Idaho) Idaho United States Logan (Utah) Cache County (Utah) Utah Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1900-1909 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Postcard Collection, P0031, Box 1 ID 014 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Finding aid for this collection can be found at: <a href="http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv12420">http://nwda.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv12420</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context P0031_Bx1ID_014 https://highway89.org/files/original/d1b28d0ac31f709a68da1d0c3c2e5865.jpg 384b769451a32c9ee1f712f0ae4ba770 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Image Height 4613 Image Width Image Width in pixels 6676 Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Checksum 7de4a1e236e48ec1fd038bca939ce1bc File Size Size of the file in bytes. 2285244 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order a print or digital file of this item, please see Northern Arizona University. Cline Library's Reproduction Order Form at: <a>http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ordering/#ordering</a> Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ref/collection/ahsnd/id/7">http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ref/collection/ahsnd/id/7</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Gap Trading Post, 85 miles north of Flagstaff, Arizona on Highway 89 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Unknown Subject The topic of the resource Trading posts; Stone buildings; Gap Trading Post Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Black-and-White Photograph [postcard] Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1920-1950 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Gap, The (Ariz.) Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1920-1929; 20th century Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Digital surrogates are the property of the repository. Reproduction requires permission, please contact special.collections@nau.edu. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Arizona Historical Society. Northern Division. Beard, James (AHS) Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context AHS_8050.jpg https://highway89.org/files/original/2bb864d3102f15b277a72fd13e7199a5.jpg 959808d42a9dcabaee3c903fa64bca05 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Image Height 1371 Image Width Image Width in pixels 1343 Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Checksum 927709b0140bdb576403fd8a18bafd2d File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1505358 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order a print or digital file of this item, please see Northern Arizona University. Cline Library's Reproduction Order Form at: <a>http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ordering/#ordering</a> Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://cdm16748.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/cpa/id/23217">http://cdm16748.contentdm.oclc.org:80/cdm/ref/collection/cpa/id/23217</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Garden, Klo-A-Chee-Kin Hotel, Cameron, Arizona. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Unknown Subject The topic of the resource Hotels; Stone buildings; Gardens; Klo-A-Chee-Kin Hotel Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Postcard Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1945 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Cameron (Ariz.);United States Highway 89; Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1940-1949; 20th century Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Northern Arizona University. Cline Library. Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Digital surrogates are the property of the repository. Reproduction requires permission, please contact special.collections@nau.edu. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. 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Photographs Black and white photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1965-12-27 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Milepost 064.56 (Utah) US 89 (Utah) Garfield County (Utah) United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1965-1975 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Outdoor Advertising Sign Inventories, Series 959, Box 3. Folder 15. Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. 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LODGE 1713 i IN JACKSON JACK~ON'S HOLE, WYOMI NG I �..e. ~ tk 7'~ SU NDAY , OCT. 6-{8 PM.)- Gel Acquointed " Howdy. Strong", ,, Pony Food ?11 ••.. Fun .... and f,, ' erloinmenl . MONDAY , OC T. 7 -(I O A M.)_ Oll i. ;ol Opening S. ..ion. 1957 Con ."nlion. MC NDAl' AFTERNOON -(3 P.M.l- YOllR CHOiCE ..•• Rid. :h. Cho', l ift , " 'o fe, but thrilling 15 minul. oU t nl to th. roof of Ih . world atop Iofly Snow King MounTa in _ OR _ a G~ jded ""'0' To ur th':>\llIh Jocklon Hole to Grand T. tonl, Je nny Loke and Jac hon Lak e. MONDAY NIGHT -( 7 P.M.)_ CHUCK WAGON . :y le Buffel Supper. All you WAN T cnd mOre Ih on you ~ H OU LD e ol. R, fr ashm , nll. Enle, ' o ,nme n ' ond moU anylhing , I. e we can Ihin k of in Ihe me anlime. ,h. bring your FAMILY and your FRIENDS Enioy ,hi, ,II, iIl:"" Au'umn hoiidoy in Wyoming' . lobvioul " Jackson Hole (,un . uy" wh.r. , h. m :Slt.tl' T.,on. ri .. inlo Ih. cloud. from ,h. 'po,kling wol ... of Mauli'u' Je nny ond Jochon Lak ••. You 'll lov. JACKSON , II.. " Howdy, St, onger" lawn gate way 10 Grand Te ton ond 1'. lIowJlo" . National Parh. TUESDAY, OCT. B -( 10 A.M.)_ fa, a louch of .. o,iely , I, ,' , ge l in a bi l of wo, • . MAIN BUSINESS SESSION . Elec' ion, Comm:II" R,p::>,h, Inle' e"ing Gue . I Spe ak, ... TUE SDAY NIG HT -C8 P.M.)- Annuol BANQUET and G rand INTUN ATlONA l BALl. E.tceUe n, menu f,ol c, ing Choic, Ptime Rib. DiUingui,hed G ue . I•. Populo, Dance Bond. ALL THIS f . . JUST TEN BUCKS . SPEC IAL Ba nq uet Tickeh Inc1ud :ng R_gi. I,clion fe , Tu e. doy Bu,in", Mae:in g o .. oileble e l S~.!'O p er plole . ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------ADVANCE REGISTRATIONS URGENTlY REQUESTED - USE THIS FORM 89'e,s Conve ntion CommiHee CHAMBER OF COMM.ERCE, JACKSON , WYO. DETACH MAIL TO: ALL EVENTS - SUNDAY , MONDAY, TUESDAY Check e nclo ..d fo' $ ~ _ _ ._._.. in poymenl of NO DEPOSIT REQUI RED _",_ RfQI 5lRA1'IQN fu. for ,h . following p. "en. 01 $\0.00 , och. (All EVENTS) NAME TOWN " 'erv, occ:>mmodo'ion. wilh b e d . c. checked: NAME TOWN DOUBLE ... _ .. _ NAME TOWN Ot: NAME TOWN TUESDAY ONLY - MEETING AND BANQUET TWIN _ .... __ • ,:. :,. Chl,k en,losed fc: r S .... ____ ._... _ .... in pcym,nt for _ _ _ Bonq ue' T,c;;e" 0 1 S~.SO each . HOLD f OR: NAME ... _ ........... __ ._........................ __ ._ ... _._. TOWN ........................ _ ..•.. _ .. (All Jochon 89'e, Mote" or. GOOD ond role. 0" compo ,obll. PlIO" leI committee piau you .) �RAY V. STEWART President Willioms, Arizona The Officers and Directors of the 89'ers Internationa l Highwoy Associotion, Inc., join in extend ing a personal invitation lo each and everyone of you to ottend this Third Annuol Convention, and pa rticipate in the constructiv~ octivities of your Association. Your friends will olso be welcome. OFfiCERS AND DIRECTORS RAY V. STEWART, President, Williams, Arizona BENTlEY MITC HELL, Vice-Pres., l ogon, Utah ERNEST R. SARAN, V.-P., Calgary, Alte ., Canada W. G. BASS, Sec. & Treas., Wickenbv~g, Arizona Sr. GUillERMO FREEMAN, Mozallon, Sin., Mex. BURNETT A. HE NDRYX, Panguitch, Utah FRANK W. SORGATZ, Montpelier, Idaho PAUL J. STEVIG, Afton, Wyoming CHARLIE B. MARTIN, Jr. , livingston, Montana INTERNATIONAL HEADQUARTERS 140 W. Second S. St. Salt lake City , Utah MARTI N H. CAN TWEll, Executive Secretary � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Image Height 2002 Image Width Image Width in pixels 1208 Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/1194">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/1194</a> Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. 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Title A name given to the resource Third Annual 89'ers Membership Meeting announcements Description An account of the resource Third Annual 89'ers International Highway Assocation Inc. Membership Meeting and "Howdy, Stranger" convention announcements Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Stewart, Ray V. Subject The topic of the resource Tourism United States Highway 89 Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Pamphlets Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1957-10-06 1957-10-07 1957-10-08 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Jackson (Wyoming) Teton County (Wyoming) Wyoming United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1950-1959 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Edgar Bentley Mitchell Papers, 1950-1959, COLL 322 Box 1 Folder 11 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. View the inventory for this collection at: <a href="http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv06356">http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv06356</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Special Collections and Archives, phone (435) 797-2663. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS322Bx1Fd11 Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/38fc9d6bd9e1b19f540389d66525d604.pdf a19339ba4c63fc7592d799a0dffea1d2 PDF Text Text . ~ ....- .. Opening Session _ Third Annual I!emborship lieeting The 89'ers International Hlghvmy Association, Inc. A1'ton, Wyoming ; October 7, 1957 The opening business sossion was called to order by Vice Pr esident Bentley ;.litchell who ~e"d a letter from P"esidcnt Hay V. Stewart, in wh ich the P"esident stated that he had been unavo i dable detained and was therefore officially desienating Vice P"cs i dent ;.iitchell to act i n his place. Vice President i.Iit chell announced that he had talked with P"ea ident stewart by telephone and that t ho P"csident cxpected t o arrive in Afton :/Ionday evening . The invocation \'ras offered by Puul Stevig , Vvyoming Director of the Associati on. The Honora.ble Doyle L .. Child, 14ayor of Afton, v/elcomed the oonvention t o Star Valley and en~ouraged the Association to be aggress i ve and c o~pc titive in the carrying out of its purposes. Lorenzo S. \1alker, President of the Afton Chamber of Commeroe, we lcomed the delegatss to Af'~on and commented upon the fine spirit of c ooperation which exists between the Chamber and the looal 89'era group. Vice President i,I1tchall raad a wira from the Honorabl e Ernest 11. McFarland., Governor of Arizona, in which the Governor expressed regreta that he had been unable to attend the Convention and extended his best wishes for a successful meeting. Sim..1.1ar messages were read from the Honorable George D. Clyde , Governor of Utah, tho Honorable J. Hugo Axonson , Governor of I'.1ontana, the Honorable lJi lward L. Simpson, Governor of Wyoming, the Honorable 81' Alvaro Obregon, Governor of the State of Sonora, Mexico, D. James Cannon, Direotor of the Utah Touri st and Publioity Councll, Marilyn Sergeant, Research and Promotion Ass istant of the Arizona Development Board, and Demetrio P. K:lriakis, Charter Member and ardent 89'er supportsI' from l~ogales, Sonora, Mexioo. 0 A letter was also read from C. B. Brewster , P"esident of the Chamber of Commerce at Banff, Alberta, Canada, in which !Jr. Brewster had designat ed Mrs. Dorothy Boyce, an executive of the Banff Chamber, to represent the organization in his absenoe. A letter was also read from 81'. GWllel'mo Freeman, Director of the 89 ' ero Hie1may Association for the Republic of I.lexico. Sr. Freeman has be en undergoing medical treatment at the Uayo Clinio in Rochester and expressed apologies and re gre ts that his doctors wou ld not permit him to make the ·~rip. Vice P"esident LI1tchell suggested that inasmuch as the Jrlnutes of the last annual meeting of the ol'ganizatlon uel'e rather lonethy and had been oovered in detailB in bulletins d istributed to the mecbership that he "/ould entertain a motion t hat a reading of said minutes be suspended �/ . • ( I ' ( and that t hey stand approved as \lritten . The motion was made by Direotor Charles illartin, seconded by Vi ce President Ernest Sar an and carried . 'fhe follon i ng committees ner e then appointed by Vice President :J1tchell ; ~'OIllNATING \ CO)==; Ernest Saran , Chairman , ;"1. G. Bas s , Nord II1lkes . Vice President iJitohell announcod that t he d ir ectorships to be aI'e as folloy/s: From Wyoming, one director to s orve a threeyear 'term; from Arlzona, .t wo diroctors to serve a throe-yeur term. eaa.b.; fro," Ut3h , one d ir octor to fill the unexpired one - year term of Burnett Hendryx, who hM left tl'6 89 ' er area and tu:cen r esidenc e in CalHornia. ~t. fil1ed ~~.;' •. AUDITING GOl,1LiU'TEE: RESOLUTIONS Frank Sorgatz, Ch:.!lr man; lkirk PUgmire, Allen Cameron CO~UJIT'=: Charles Martin , Chairman ; Mrs. Dorothy Boyce, Jerry Breen, Ralph Cameron, Ceoil Smith, Fred Hutohins. It Was announced that the standing advertising and promotional committee which had be en appointed t o administer the current advertising and promotional program of tho Association would report their activities at the Tuesday session. This committee consists of Bentley :litchell , Chairman, Frank Sorga t z, Burnett Hendry", and lkirtin Cantwell. Vice President, Ernest Saran, of Calgary, Alberta was asked to introduce the various delegates from Canada. The v8.l"ious committee ohair.men were requested to call meetings of the i r r espeotive committees at onoe so that reports coul d be submitted to the membership at the ma in business sessions on Tuesday . Ther e being no f ur ther business , tho meeting \mB recessed at 10;45 A.;,!. to r econvene on Tuesday lIlo" ning at 11: 00 A.M. Rcspeotfully submitted , Martin H. Cantwell Exeouti ve Seoretary - 2 - �• • • QFF1C1AL iJI N UTES Recessed Session - Third Annual UB!l1berahip I,looting The 69 'ers International HiGhway Association, Inc. Af ton, Wyoming; Ootober B. 1957 rrhe reoessed session was ca.lled to order by President Ray V Stewar t at 11:00 A.M. 0 Minutes of the opening session Y/Gre xead, and it was Lloved by Director Llartin thnt they be approved us wl'itteno Tho mot i on \'18.8 seoonded by Director Saran. l!otion carried. Executive Seoretary Cantlloll (love a verbal. reoap of the membership r eport for the fiscal year from Ootober I, 1956 to October I , 1957. "The grand total of notive and honoxal'Y members on record as of October 1 , 1957 >!as reported t o be 621. Coopared to the 448 aotive member" in good standing on reoord as of Ootober I , 1956, the report ref l ected a membershi p Gain of 173 for t,he fiscal year. A oopy of the membership report is attached heroto and made a part of those official minutes. The report of the Auditing Committee ,vas read by CorJIDittee Chairman Frank W. Sorgatz. The Committee reported that the re oords, fUes, vouchers and books of the Corporation TT6!lsurer W. Go Bass had been audited and examined, and found to be in good order. The Committee further reported that the reoords of the Executive Seoretary Mar tin H. Cant\lell aocounting for Corporation funds cleared through the Sal': Lake City office were found to agree I"JHh the books and reoords of the Corporation Treasurer. A certified oopy of this report Is attaohed hereto and made a part of these minutes. The report of the Resolution Coomittee was read by Charlie B. Martin, Jr., Chairman.. A total of ten resolutions were reco!!ll:l.ended . eaoh boill(l voted upon i ndividually follOldng its reading, All ten resolutions we1'e passed by the unani!l1ous vote of tho membership with several minor amendments beiD3 made. Copies of each of the resolutions as amended and adopted ~e a ttached hereto and made a part of these minutes. At 12:30 P . l!. the morning session Vias recessed by President Ray V. Ste\Jart to rec onvene at 2:00 P.!'!. *********** The afternoon session was called to order by President Ray V. Stewart at 2:00 P.!.!., the first order of unfinished business being the r ~port of the Nominating Committee. Director Ernest R, Saran, Chairman of the NOminating Committee, stated that his coumittee had a reoommendation pertaining to the term of office of certain directorships rJhich i t nished to reooll!llend for the consideration of the delegates. Under the present setup, Director Saran explained, both directorships in Arizona I"Jould oxpire next year and the same rlOuld be true of the two directorships in Utah. Whe r eas it is the intent !lad purpose of the oorporation by-la'"S ,'merever possible to mainJ tain hold-over directors and stagger the elections of new di rectors to the best advantage, it Vias the reoommendation of the Nomlnating Committee that in the case of Arizona one director be eleoted to serve the 3-year �t~l'r nd t he other &. ;,.' GotOl' be elected for 0. l-year term. and that in the . cnoa e r the Stato of Utah ono director bo eloctod to serve a J-yoar ter~. 'Jhai",:,an Saran further announoed thu t tho GxistiIlll vacancy in the director,1hip t ram Utah "as duo to tho resic;nation of f ormer Direotor Burnett liendl';rx who ha d moved to Cali1'o:;,ni a. Cha irman Saran further rep orted tha t -the ros i snation of Director Franlc U. Sorgatz \'Iould require the ele ction of a rep lacemont dir e ctor f e r the State of Idaho to serve the r emal,ni ng one year of the unexpired ysar. 1. vv Direat o ~ship oandida tes sel ected by the t hen announced a s follo\ls: }'OR ARIZCNA: Charles Hagerman of FOR UTAH: ~l oI1l inatiIlll Committee were \1 . G. Bass of ', iickcnburg to sorvo a J-yoar torm; ~ ~eB cott to serve a I-year term. Homer Bandloy of Riehfield to servo a J-year t erm. FOR WYOUING: Pau:i. J . Stavig of Mton to serva a )-year term. FOR IDAHO: ruark rugmir e of Paris to serve the l-year unexpired term va ca t e d by the resIGnation of Fr ank \'1. Sorgatz. Cha irman Saran f u.~the r reported that it was the recommendation of the Noninat i ng Conunitteo t ha t the aC~G1on of the Board of Direotors in tho e l e ction of Sr. Guillermo Freeman to serve a vacated 3-year term as Direct or fr om t he Repull1ic of Mexi co be approved and su.stained by the membership. Dir e ctor Erne st R. Saran , Chairoan of the Nominating Committee, then made t he following motion: "It is moved that all of the foregoing recommendations as made by the Nouinating Committee pertaining to the term of offioe t o be s erved by each of the Directors to be elected be approved and adopted, and it is further moved tha t the recommendation of t he Nominating Committee pertaining to the Dil'eotor f rom the Republio of M exico be approved and adopted , and it is furthe r moved that the nomina tions be closed and that the Seoretary be instruoted to cast a unanlmou.s ballot in favol' of the recommende d nomineos and that they be elected by aoclamation." The motion vms s e conded by Direotor IJartin and carriod by the unanimous vote of a ll delegates present. Vice Pr esiden't BentleJ[ t!itchcll, Chairman of t he Promotion Committee , roported that t o date s ome ~ 7CO O.00 in advertisine support had been secUl' ad for t he guido t ype br oohure to be published und dis tributed early in 1958. Chairman Hitcho ll stated t ha.t \mile the exact publication date could not be a nnounc ed at tho noment , i t was the aim of this colillllittoe to have the broch ur e off t he pr ess in time to oatch certain major travel and spo"t s hows. Chairman llitchell further rsported that the mnking of the 89'er movi e had be en t emporarily postponed in order to permit concentration on tho completi on of tho brochure and to make additional fu.nds availutle for the printine of additional copies of tho broohu.re in exoess of ',he f, ua r anteed minimum of 50 , 000 ciroulation , Exeoutive Seoretary Ijart in Cantwell ",ho has been aSSigned to conduct t he solicita tion of financial support f or t he promotional proGram reported that he has be en out on tho hiGhway constantly since early in April and that a t leas'. prelillinary presenta tion of the proGram has been lIl!lde in - 2 - �I all t,9'e1'9 oO:-.J!.lll.ultJos frc;:_ J>io6~llcs, Sonora J U:xico to Edm.onton, Alberta, Cnna'in. Cantllcll'Ol,orted that tho reoeption in nll al'Gas had been very i'J.vora'Jlc und tha~~ ,,;','htlc 30J.icitat;ion :!.n several of tho sections had been pl'rlctlcally 00,;:'.)1: ted there is still connidel'ubl0 orswization vlOrk 1'emin1n~ to bo do:)}, 1'-'3.rticulal'ly in Utah, Arlzona, and :icxico. Vice P1'es .' Jen~ti El'nost R. Saran Gave a bl'iaf l'G)Ort of t,.16 l'ocGpt1on and support Ci { .. n tho prOcrO,J1 in the Province of Albcr~lia. Vice Prosident Saran stated ..... nt ho ha.d ncco!.lpanicd 3ecretary Gunt\Joll on "i;hc Ill.'l.jor portion of t: . to~ thro~l ~lbart~ and that an excollent iapression of the orsaniz'" / _~on a:1d ito ala .:L11<l objcc"blvos ll.:ld been Civcn. Ho om.phasized the imP0l'tu_';o of "the fuct thut the ol'gOllization has o.chiGvod tho :rocoGnition and upport of t~c Alberta Provinc i al Gove rnment i n addition to tho munic:h ~.l 6ove:!.'nmp.n~1J3 ane. Cil3rJbo~ of Cor.:m.crce in all of lUberta' s tlBjor ci -4j j .5. Fe sto.tcd tha.t to date 34 individual nembershi ps had beon SCOUl'fd ;'.: Albor'~a, and predicted that this ficure would rea ch well over 100 bele:..' tho llOJCG convention. V" ': ;' Frcside.lt Sal'an then proposed that this Association s'ponsor an' or ...(\i.Z8 a Gccd-\'Jill tOUl' of its members into the Provinco of Alber ta t .. -., - "laco curly in June of 1958 just prior to thc start of the heavy ·iioUl'-i /' 803.00n. Vics Prosidont Sal'an sUGGested tha t tho calva oade s tart y,~.t:U J ~'3:·:eL10:1y at thf1 ootder t·) be par·ti cipated in by the Gover nor of l.~:.nt ...} iJ.:Jd thE; Pl'd::i..:.:c of the .-~rovince of Alborta, to be fo l lowed by a 91-i; ' ,.i1l{l tom: up ,\l.bert~ Route 2 through the cities of Cal Gary, Red DI~;;" I <.lnd Ed-lonton, tilon C'lst -tic .Jasper National Parle and around the fC\1 f " ~Ubor'~a scenic loop to Lake Louise, Banff J and baok to Cal gary . Hr fo ~~tcd that the GfJVG1'Il!!!.On-t; of the Province as \lel1 as muni oi pal govern1'" 3 Hould ue happy to gr-eet uncl ent~rtain the v isiting 89 t er s and ex"," -1od ~ cordia.l invitation on their behalf to the entire organization. Vice President S8.ran then l.'e.m,'1~ked that thousands of Albo r tans 1'lere eagerly l ooking forw,,~d to tho ti;;lo when they could dri 7e throue;h YellowstonE Park on the i ::- nay tc tiouthcrn uinter i'osorts and move6. that the incoJl1ng Board of .liroctors be instructed to follow throUGh and continuo t.le efforts pertain:i.lt3 to thin j.ssoclc.tton's pro j ect of scouring yeo.rD.l'ound north-south t:C.lvcl tm.'oueh Yellm.'stone Po.rk. Tho .!:lotion VI8.S seoonded by II. G. Bass, and c'tnied by 'Gho une.niaous vote of all deleGates. President StC\"la2't then introdut'}'3d Guest spoaker t Don \'[at kins of HoL'ltionn Dlrl'lc't;or for the Yello\/stono Park Co. and the Er. \latldns cuve a short ·talk on tho value of inte r cO.".j1U!.ity public rclll,~lons \'Ihich ',:ns follm'lod by a queat10ns and ansuer ~' 1'l!..r] in '4";hich mny 0:: tho dolcGJ.tos present participated. FO~3.i:,eJ.lo, Public E:w:l.lf:;on .sto~os.. r"Gsidcnt St,,·;,~~t then introduced Ly J.e So.rvis. ;.j,uJD.Ger of the Utah A'..1.t::>aouile Association and ~-\..:. . \ Oi'f'ioG at Salt 1akG City, Utah. rt:. Sarvis . o:-:r,lDl!lod tho uethods omployed and various oources from \'lhich t he AAA sccUJ.'es road in:orlntion Gl von to potent i al travoler s and use(\ in supplyina 't'CU~inc;1. Ha G.!:1phasizGd 1:;110 faot that oach local COLiI:l.unit y OQ uld do itself a valuablo favor if arrangements could be made ,mer eby tho AAA orfico and other l'outi"'G aGencies could bo supplied w1th up- t o-date current I nfor!~tion as to the condition of various construoti on ar eas alollG the hiCh';,13.Y. The talk ''''" folloned by a round-t"ble <iiscUDsion of the various problens pertaininG to Qccuxate inforlJ.atlon and proper routing" - 3 - �( Rctirinc PrcGidenJ~ Ray V. StO\'lart then thanked tho off i cer s and ",olUberc for the loyal'vy Ilnd coopcrution thoy had extonded during hi s three terms in office. Thel'o to1ug 210 .:'u:cther bUBincss, the I1hird i\.nnual 1,lombe~8h i p :.roeting of the 59'ers D'l'G0~nationa.l Fi GhvJ:l.Y Association, Inco 'VIas adjourned SINE DIE at 4:20 P.l.!. 0' subrai t;'tcd , I,:artl.n H. CantVlsll Executive Secretar:, - II- - �" " ( ( R I so.!! UTI 0 11 1: O. 1 ;'iIrJlE.\S there 5.8 still con~ldcrablo construction neC6.:l:;:a-L'Y Oll t.ll3.t ror·Gion of Hir;A\'J..Y U~ S .. 89 knmJU as the: Grand Ganyon of ~";~le .=n.::.lce RivCl~'1 in ordCl' to oriL3 ttiG road up to standa.l'cl bot een )\..1.pine '3_ud Juckr,on .. ,'[yamin!), und r 3HERE.;;\S cart?in ~1'~~~. Power I n teI'ests arc i ntent upon building a !I.i:;h pouer daHl o.CI'CSS nn.rroYis of t his Canyon, and 1V1IERE.:\3 the construction of such a da!llt if pC~.Qli tted, would des t roy one of' tha nost sD0ctaculur seanie tow'1st attrac t ions in 'the Sta.te of \;yo,~ing !illd on tl1G ent i re r 'Jute U. s .. 89 J a nd rlHEREAS t he Jackson Hole 69 ' er6 Cl ub, the Jackson Hola Hotary Club, the Jac1;::son Ho l e ChillTlbe:!.' of Commer ce, fl...'lU the Jtar Valley G9 t crs Club,. ond the Dear Lake Basin S9 ' ers 0l ub: repr0sontinG in the aWGgate SO!ii.e five hundred property miners in the Stat e of ',[yominS nnd Id~ho arc unElnimously OPl) Oscd to tl-te dcstl'uctioll of t his beautiful Canyon, NO,'I TlIEIlliFOR<: BE IT RESOLVED that illl poss ib;Lc u n ited, effor·1t be made to encouraae anG. expedi to the ful l vOfllpl ot i on of this :")nnke III ver Canyon sector of U. !:5. C9, and that the 89 f e:rs Int ernational Higil\'I8.Y Associatton, Inc. in convention assGrqbl.ed thi s 8th day of Oct obor, 1957 at :~fton, WYOlili ng do pretost constru,ctioIl of an unwan ted and unneces$al,'Y Federa:J.. PmlsI' Dam in tho narr~:r"/s of the Snake n i vor, und BE 1'1' ElIRT1= RDSOLVJlD that ~his protest be mado lmo;m to, and, a COl'Y of this Rb:SOLUTICll be filed '\Jiti~ the Eoderal ])\.ll' cau of Hecl aplation, an:... t.he respoctive Govornors, Senators) nnd ConGressmen of tho states of J.1ontiQ.ll€l.) ~.'yoL:ing $ Id£lho t Utah J ilnd Arizona. Tho fo~e.eoing RE30LUTIUr lIO. 1 \"'.15 appro',ed dlld. adoptod by the &9 t e1' s ·l~~ ....r\E\'TIClic'\.L iIIGlL,:;lX :H3dv CL .'il I<...1';-) nJ~. by the *uno.niuous vote of dclcGa.toE- on the floor of the Aosociution' s Third Intornc..·;;ional Conven'i;ioll, meetinG at .titan s i'!yominG Octobor 8, 1957. ATTBST" * ~Ol~.?xecutivc seoretary Delcao.tes officially re.pro;;;entin[; Foreign Governments no·t voting �( \'mrni~AS; II :',T117Hbl:"J, he did Ll(ilcJ.~ .. ~" ": J·lo.:~(';lJJ )J.~lS t' ""1'. - -~ ;:~ I.. !.l-~ J.~ 1.. (.t c~.' J:ci.cho, On , ~J" hl,'la~:r knn" /.1 G07,;.J:":lCr S;'!t'{.l.h's ded:1 cc.te a nn"ly O:t:"~0 f~t:~i'-1 ):: nO.ted. as U. '). 191 t .erG!! ,)3.'lt.Jll L:i.!le, and, -.if! . o. ~('JJ,:,,·vc l2. Jr, ... Gilt.> t.ha-/j '~.1.'_; .~:) j' • .) tho:.:c' <J 1)Y-_,1.0dilF" o.l'1.C:! .i.l ~:j1: U: ..i 0 U,:ili.":..d.nr: 0.:' b~,'lU i 'n_ \rll."~i 1. G...u.':' '-I t.?l.!.~ ~c.;:d ~'iou.Ld ... "..c.' • s, os. ~ .;. b8 C,:..dlL "Gj: l.:. ""seL. r. t.:... ",'I'" ~ t1. (r.1"n6. L::;:..lll1Ifl.'l.:.OUq..!, l-:\"'l{~ ... nd .il. .(;1· ..... ::·"3.) ...~roo! -.ild -)7 ",:L ', '. at the )I'csent • "., ~ '! '-.• " ;C.":'\!-l: : .::'" c.r. .J ' tl. 1[' J crdl. v:nm:c:. . ., OCl.S't . . uct,.;. n ,;,: "i;: ~.G :-:'.'0I'O},/;Q Toad .,could dctrec'i; c0;.l.si(1-- J eratlo ·!;::a"la~. r~:·C ..l u . S . 89) ~a:j "JD J r.:·~0r:. ",.(LLch 1 ·\; OGj;"·vcs i'rorl the !;":cuth. c .tl'al'.i.ce of Yolle'.ws'toee "G') :io,"1,00 \,i~~y ; t!J.rc·,JiDG :lddltionnl blli:d.cn an 1l1 roady avel'O' oVl·~ed U. S . 1.9J. ~.nc.. ~;l TU.cll'"f.?YC _ :.md. VlIllREAS ·~.hc Jaclrson IIo13 a9 t u:"o:; LJ.ub , the. JQO!:,20n Hole Rotnxy Clu~: the Jackson LTolc Chamber of.' CC';:i::.1C~C0 ! ;illl} t:'l0 ;YiAr,J:' Va~ley V9' ors Club 2 and th.e Bear I,2.k€ "las in 89 ' ;,rs Club ropI'c.:;ontinG in the 'lccreG].tc GO.l:lO f i ve h.un:lred l)Z'OlVJi.'ty O·.m3I'3 l=: tIw ~tr"~0 of . IyoHing .:illd. Idaho arc un::mir·1C'l."lzl:r ol"JpoJod t o tho 'J0~.::t.:~i..1ct;7.on G:,: t hin llilnBCCGSary ro:l.u, ~m';I' :1.7~:·S:':::'G?'::'~ 3£ IT rL.:'3 ... 1\· .•m i,;ha:t the 09 ' m:s I!J.te~n<ltioIlEll ll:l.OW.l:r .\8.Goc:~Q·\;im.\ , Inc . in conv:).!r~i ~·~1 nssc:...tblod ti).is 8th uay of at .\r·to!!. , ~"[yojlnG do un3.~i.r ")u·-:ll~T i'~(jtt;l:J t any conl:Jtruc'lilon ;i cr. of :["utU!'(; C(/.w°l,iI'lJ.cti:H1 o;~ ··. {d.:.:> ).'01.";0., (lnu ~.l~ D.U ~O_ :.' C~ ;u{.. r . s ('otobcr.) 1957 or o0l1s1dera- ..... '·l··r.) ·1 ' 1- ' " . 1 ·{l·.)V.·; . , ''';.';'; '1.1.'1 i 5 p:,;O"'~S t .co I!laQC .WOilll ~GO ond u ~:,j: :L•. l:'dWll:;:~ i vl! b3"ilr;~ ,.",,:'.th t he "i"lyo.w.inc Higtn"1Q.Y Dcp::u:ti.lOllt. ~ .L·o:.'\:~C·:;1~y Ssrvic'::) ~ t!lC U. J • .Jw~oau of~· ublio Uoads ~ and tho • ·rl ... ~ .~ • • • . ~ ..,., '""f) ..1..1; o~\ ...... - ..J·.r~t.::J.ll 01 T-:cc :·.'·z..l'"ioti , c:r. ·:.;hJ.·:; co1,i;.1s oE this =.'csolution bo placed be..-l fo::.:c;hc GOVCj:l..Ol'Z J .3er.;:1:~O:t'D , 11U<i ~~0.i.l('2'CSS.li1en 0::' ·iJl:;.c stntof3 of j".Jon~Gnnn. t ',Vyorr.l.l:.fj, :Waho, Utah, and i~.i:?;onc\. The f01' 6coi.ne RESOI::J'"Z'ICi. He . 2 i"i..J.3 n.pl-ro·v3d and adoptjcd by the :39 ' 81'G nITl!..""'RNATIC:~AL HIGH.J'. r ~B3CCI.,\·i7IGH, n'l"c . b Jr the*unanimoUJ3 vote : of (lsleGn t~s on the floor Q.t. ~llC ADsocl ..1tioll' s 'i'hir-:.1 Internat i onal COllvol1.tlon t fllOI3·tino: at Aft,:u J Wyo.c1.'.np Oc tober 8 ) 1957 • .\: D!'.1ego.te·s ofrlol'-llly l' 3p:-C'CSc,;:1~Gi,i~g FO'I'elgn GOVeJ..'UIilenta n~votlng �( ( RESOLUTIO N the 89 ' s"s JE:i;fl:i:'natio!2::t .. E::. ~"'13.;r i .. f:,. (cl:l"l,jion for ·;.;hc Hel/ublic of jlfe xico h1.s been iI!.Cnp;i,J':·Lat~)d du. -Co SO]~iOUD oj.Jero.tionn and is s till m:d.e:T 'G}:."." "G!llont. 'l'i,; t ."l C .:'I::'.ro I3::"O'~h0!'S Clinic i....1'1 Roches ter, ..............:,j.• ):; \'1l7O"G!,?',~' ..,..~ ~.l;~ ,·'·l •• _ . " . _. . . .T',.·'c-: . . n ) _~ ",..,··,......., ... _J.o.U._ 1 \1 )):""'cto ... ~ . __ ...... fO~ _ .~ "I, . ti:"ll.!"!..csotD.., n.:i."!'u Vrri..I'.RE/l.S, " ;en the Executi va SeCl' etary 1 ~ c6 reto at beinG unable to a~lit~end. the "i;ui:rd Int;0rl1at~.onal convontion nOYI in assem.bly at Afton, liyoming ll!ld ho.s fmthel: c1.:ts12dod h i s best \'Jishes for a ~l·. l~:;"cGm:-~n hD.s \'.'1'i t e.nd other Board memucrfJ h:..s sincere successful conventiono ~JQW THEREFORE BE IT RmOLVTD , this convention e>"-pl'ess to Sr . Freeman its sincore regrets for his illnesD and oXG ond best nishes for his s1?oedy !'€-covory , a nd BE n' FilllTllliR RUl O LVED , '.ha'. a ooPY of t his resol ution be fOl'Ho.rded to Sr. Fr eeman a~G Rochcsi'01' . Th .. fOl' ago ing RESOLUTION NG . 3 was approved and a dop '~ed by tho 89 ' era INTKlNATION,\L HIGllilAY ASSOCIATICN, nw. by the llll~ allimolls vote of de l ci3a·~m.l on the floor of the .A ssociati on ' s Third I'1te rnati onaJ. Conven·tion, lilCfi!t~~1t-nh P.i'ton, Wyoming October S r 195 7 . AT'['I;ST: '\\\I~'I(J ~kJ<ecutive ~ • Secret al'Y �( ( \'.'HERKI\S, Rny V. S'C31'l.3.l't J co-foundel" and Char'Gol' PJ~esident of the S9 ' ers Intel'national Highway Association, Inc . 1 has cont~ibuted freely of his timo , cucrGY , and pers onal resources in the interest of this orB~nization during tho three years in v/hi ch he has served us its preSident, and \':JlfLREAS, tedious journc, nation highv/ay her husband i~ Ura. Stevlart has a.cco.t:1pnniad him on numerous s up and dovm tho lol1G·oh and breadth of the throe system and has othel'iJ:!.se encotu'a gcd and uss i si;ed his d uties, NOr! TlillREFO!lE BE I T !lESOr,VIm , tha t the 89 ' ers International Highvlay Association, Inc. in convontion assembled this 8th day of October ,. 1957 at Afton, rlyoming ex-Gond an everlastinc vote of confidence and sincere appreciat ion of the sincero effox'i;s and inspiring acconplishmcnts achie ved by President Ray and ~,{!:'so Stewart. 'rhe foreGoing RESOLUTION 1;0. 4 was ajlproved and adopted by ·<he 59 ' ers IN'l'&lNll.TICNAL HIGHWAY ASSOCIATION, INC. by the unanimous vote of del eGatos on the f loor of the A.ssoclation t s 'l'h ird Inter'national 0onvention, meeting at ~O!lli1lG October 6, 1957. ATTEST: ~ t.,. ExecuUve Secretary �r ( rIHErdJ:P3, ~ . O. Iio::::0\'l of Fl::gntaff, .j11':~.zona YlaS one of the i'01mdcrs and Ch:E,""or Vj,c.; - i~I'm:;idcnt of the 89 ' e:rs rn'Gol'uattonal Higl\,ay :~':·30ciati()r;., IilC. J and \'l'.lIErillAS J his unt i.ru.cly death on July 27- h i s an i:r:i'oparable t loss to his .family, :.!.is business associate3 ::md his oommunity, Non TfTRRBFJRE BE rv RESOLV1D, th9.t the third annua l convention of this orG-.lnization 'u llioh he hulpcd t,C o!'canize, pay honor '"0 his meI10ry this 8th day of Oetober, 1957. The i'ol'egoing P..ESO:L.UTICN NO. 5 ''JUS approved a.nd adopted b y the $9 ' ors m 't',,;RNATIGNAL HIGJI,IAY ASSOCIATION, INC. by t he unan1nous vote of dGlegates on 'che floor O.r the Associat ion's Third I!lte1'na~liional Convent i ()n~ meeti ng n't; Afton, ilyoL'ling October 8, 195 7 9 Alrr.rEST;~~ Executive SecI'etary "\ �( RES 0 L UTI 0 ~ N O. 6 ',l!J.:!!REAS, '\jc,o movinG of t he th i rd :.lnnuaJ. Internatiotml 0onvention of tho 69 'crs In tm:na.tlonal HiGh'.iUY .\..ssociatlon, In:}. from. the City of Jacl::oon , \{yo.:...:.i nG, to Af '~on in ::>tar Valloy hus placed u heavy load of xcsponsibil1ty upon our :"lyo.i.:linC Dir ector', Pau.l Stevic, and ot'I.X hosts J the oi'f i cors and mcmbora of the Star Valley B9 t erB Club, and VIilL'RB!\s , the members and supportal's 01' tids oreanization in the entire Star Valley have \lorkcd untlr in<;l y to mnke this conve n- tion a success, NOW THEREFOru: BE IT Illi30LVLD, that the sincer e appreciation of this convention oe extonded to Paul St evi s, the officers and members of the Star Valloy 89 ' 01'5 Club, the mayor of Afton, the PrGsfdent and Llo!Jbor s of the Afton Chamber of Commerce , the management and ataff of the V~lloon Hotel, and to t he entire citizenry of S tnr Vr lley Ur!rl surroundl.J:lg terri tory for the excellent oooperat ion and assistollce, unci BE IT FL'RTIlEIl RESOLv::.D, that a spccial vote of thunke be extonded to i.he editors Md publ1shel's of the Star VE.lley Indopendent fer the excell e nt publici t.y coverage G1 van this convention and oooperation far boyond the cull of duty in tho handlinG of our printine xequi ramcnts. Tho foroGoinG RSSOLUTIC,N riO . 6 was approved and adopted by tho 89'ers IN'Y£IlNA.TIGllAL llIGH,iAY ASS()CIA.l'IGL, n.c. by the unanimous vote of deloso.tes on thc floor of the ,\ssociation's Third I nternational Convention, meeting at Afton, rryoLling October 8, 1957 . ATTEST: ~ecutive Secretary �( WI-r:!.:rm~\S) ona o~" ;;Lo ~L ':oj")o _·u;:s of To.'l':) C9",,:,~ s I1ltc.:.'n.3.tional BiG:,' oy lSSolC "'1.. Lh) L:o. in t: fl'O .:.'Jto en': w.ncolU''-lge rocip:roClll lnte t'llC.tiuHr 1 l.ou..:.:~GJl b .... t\'iouu CilU' f:::icrilly nations t:> the nOl'ti!l en:". r.0U'!:.1., C.l J the United 8t6.t0~, and ~lIIERS·\':-, it; 19 t:. s. 89, ...10x100 15, o~- rUX)OStJ 'lr~d dc;:::;i~c '3.._~ .Ulio:r:tn ..~out:; :; n:J one continuous boulo - ';0 pl'csent hi:;hilujS p~lr}:.J 1'[ t~e:"' than thrr'u scp'lr::ltc rO'ltao, ~GherGby ~lir,t.inattn1 ~_ntor.l.!'.ltioj~')J b01Jld"ri "[, '''\f. ::l dctorl'cn1. 'GO tcurist t ravol bat J' ·n ~;>C&O tll.l'c(:: llT.;lon!:, and v.1.rd of nati;.uaJ. ','118nE~\"'S, this 00.11 t 'J.zt be a.ccoLll,:lished a.t Olll' Canadia n borda"!' b;r )rescntin,], ;.~(n""nna's Gl"10icl' National Par k and .\'lber t o. 's ~·l3.terton L:.!:.'s I:atlun~l rarl~ as Oll~ bOJ.u'tli'ul recrea ti onal arGa rathor' ~h<.l_l ,\'10 c!i~t5..!lr, t .'ll'lrn 10c.lted 1:J tHO separate na tions, NO':1 Ti.u:::r.E}'f$J~ B3 1'/ 'z:.SOL·1J:..D, 'iihu":; in 1.~l publlc!ty releases and i'LltJ.lI'3 )1 ';"nted pr0l~otic..nn:' HJ.ttC"C' l'C"<le,'!sed by this orcr,a.niza tion ·:;.J.cre;ln rJ:::'~ 'once is llU.idc to e5:;hoI' on( O~ bot!1 of those national 1'1:.s t::tQ t V· (, teru l'\'h~ tel ton-C-:'.acicr J.ll :'C111.l tioD.al Peace Park" b,) e.i::'l~loye.j" l:L. 7 rJaB np~roved and adopted by .ASSOC IA'.2IL:, lllC. by the unanimous 1,r otc of dalC{;ates on the floor of t~e ;wJ:Jociationts Third Inte r ll~tlonal 0onvontion. ,~1eti..ilC r.:~~-uGn, .;:,·oming October 8 J 195 7. 'rilO t;~c .:..-'or~tioinc Rl~SOL;j'IGr 8 9 t 61' S n;T;-:IUifA'.e.ILN,U. Hlc!I.:~\Y A·iT~:r:. V~~cut1ve Secretaxy \ �( RES 0 L UTI 0 N N O. 8 \lIillREJ~ I t ho 89 ' 6 1'S Intcrna~~ional High\'IaY Association, Ino 0 vIas created fol' the purpose of inviting and enoouY'aging safe and aOllvenient travel on H i ah~ray 59 in ito er.tire'i'y. and WHERE.r1.S, the 700 members of this Maoeiation are deeply concerned regarding t he s t andards a nd conditions of said hiehway in re~ards to safe and en joyable tourist travel, and W HlID.K\S, the Dar r ow, windine section of HighrJay 89 kn01.'Jfl as "\'/hits Spar" in the State of Al.'izona between the c itics of Prescott and rli ckenburg 1s consider ed hazardous to the extant t hat many Arizona visitors unused to mounta.inous terxain are Immm to use alternate routes J thereby m.i ssi nc one of t.he lilOS·t spectacular scenic drives in the entire State of Arizona, NOri THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVIID t hat t he 89 ' er n International Highway Assochtion , Ino . in oonvention assombled this 8t h day of Ootober , 1957 a t Af ton , .iyoming do una n1m.ously petition t h e High\lay Departme':'lt of the State of .lU'izona and the Federal Bureau of Publi c Roads to a l ~ot a nd appropr i a t e the necessary funds required t o provide safe and adequate travel passaee tl!ld eliminate daneerous curves \'{herevcl' possible and eeneraly improve this oect i on of Highway 89 above described , and BE IT FlJ1lTllER RESOLVED '"ha.t this petition bo made known to and a oopy of this resolutio n be filed with the Arizona Stat e H1ghvlay Department, the Governor and Congrossional deleGation of the State of )11:1zon8 and the Federal Bureau of Publio Hoads. The f orseo i ng RESLLurICN Nt. . 8 'was approv ed and ad opted by the B9 ' ers INTl!HNATIl.NAL HIGH.IAY AGSC 0IATICN, INC. by the unan1m.ous vote of de l ocnte s on the f loor o f t he Associutiont s Third International Convention , eeti at: ton , \iyoI!ling October 8, 1957. A'£TEST :~~Dl~~~~~~~~::~~Ex.outive Seoretary �( \lHl!!,HEAS, tl..c 39 ' 01'8 In-;';crr.atlonnl I-li.;h".'/Uy ~\.Ssociation, :n~. in convention assembled at the cit~~ of Kanab s Utah on Octobor 12, 1956 adop';:'oc!' a resolution protesting tho tl~aditional vlintcr clo~':!lci of that portion of U. So S9 wi th!.n the bounG.a1.'ic.s of Ye:.J.mY:; t.Ln'J P _t:~:. . :\" he'-,l'1.i unr/arran ted in lirht Of l:11u.m f"lcts anI L~'G~:2G '~I.[~t ·~,~:.l .,.O::3~ _~ , ., '-l. JI'tr be i:lade to brin£:', cbcut tJ.0 yotir-armU1d mc.ir..o- ::n:::"n:~L use of t h i s 1n'tcxnatio!".L.i north-sou1:.h lliClur.:..,V ~('r GY~lt;''':;Hl.L .. G,Oll.;;:"Q Ll'T"'~:.(; am rJI-IEHEAS, this A s sooiaticr~ In G021V i nCE'd thu\. tLc yoal·-c.xr_'~JI;.d lil.!.rtenunc e of t his hiGh\'Jay t.h:r ouc)::. Yo l lmm t one [-'urIc . 3 an e vcntt4.:..i..i ty, the realization and comFlc tion of ,-,,"ich the 700 wGmbcrs 01' this AssociatIon are !:lost allxious to sec eff0ctcd at t he earliost po"slbl e ti.fo1C3 in lceepi.n~ with safe vlinter travel, ani W1l:E.llF.AS. the int~:est and cooperatio- ,lis pla:rod duriO{l th" past twe17e mo.aths on the part of the U.. S .. Dell:'D: ;.:uent of the Interior, the Nnt.:_r)no. l Park So:"vicr) ar.d ce:tal n nenfJ'JI' 5 of' ConGressional delegations i :r.. n'3E:.rby st:ttes ha~7e b::::sn -:loth crutityin..; a:J.d above our 9Y.:pe c to..tioUB, NO"a TlfJJ:.HEFCRE J~I' 17:.1 R:!:SCLY£m ·i:;!J.a·~ tUJ 39'0::00 Interna tional IIigh-.,'("8.'Y Ili'3soc:.ation. Inc. i1.1 ~cn~.:ention D.ns0mbled this 8th daj." of O c tob~1", 1957 at :~ton, Hyo.mlr-'t, duly adG]oVlledgc-j ,lith [;ra:~it'J.d'3 "~~e interest displayed nn:, (;,ffol't e~ct.enc.0d by f~b,e "bove LIm..tioned incH.viduals and Fedel'o..l Dll1'f'Ut:.S t and BE IT FWrrITER R£'.S("LVLD that a vote of tlw.n~:s be extended to LaDUel A. (Lon) Gar l' lsori, Sl!.porint~ndent of Yollow-:;'i:ionc P:u'k, and his s"',uff for efforts 1'lhich have, and v!ill be 1l1ndc I an::1 tlnt \'10 _pledGe to Duper in-',8ndel1'~ Garricon OUI lnc1ividua1 PnC. colleot:_ve coopc::atioll c.nd activo [,t:ppor-l; in the do lution of IToblews and the ~.''J.Gili tati0:.l of plo.nE: rcquil'6d 1:'0 j:'.f.lEtGn tho year around cpening to internntio!1Ul t,,:u.1'ls~1.i 1:i:. .'avel of one of l'Jorth America ' s most magnif i cent Nat i cnal P~.r\.'ks t:':_"Jreb:,,- 'Jll.,lina.!iinG ~C.G last exis t ine road -block on North 1lm.er:'ci'.'.., 5:"00 "nile .i..i1.:r0C-Lution DoulevCll'd of National Pa~k5J and B:C r: Fu~~rl~-_l~n HES(.l.V.CD th-s t tho int'Jnt of tb.·: -; action b~ made }~Ov.!l to ...... a (JOpy c-:: this l':3so~_lltio[. be filed. ,,",:1 '';,1 '3:1)) Hintenj ::mt Gnrlson ,l 11(1. the ;:,;:--,tioll:tJ. Parl:- .3orv:~.cot the Departnant of' t"~le ~:lt0 I'ior, and the ,lCSp(\(}tl ~i e Cov"JI'no~~ and CC1...c1"1fJsic-no.l dc).cGJ.t.:.3 or ~:;~le States of .[ont'lna, i.1yorrL,g, Ifls.ho. l-tall auG. Ar:.zC1I'..a. IJ'he i'cre30~r..g RESvl,lY':IGK NQ 9 ~'ns approved. aila n10pted by tho 09 Cf9 lliTEF.lCATICHA1.. HIGF.,'AY AS..)(i,!L'.1'IC1:, n:;. by L;ilc unanimous vouo of' celccutez 0;.: the 11001' or thE. ASDociatior~ 7 S T'rurd. Intc:r:onn t.ion:,l Con"rcntion t meei;ing a t \.fti,.ll,~~~lilibObGr 6) 1957. A~'rEST' __ ~ili±~; ;j'::tQ!iuttvo SecrotrH" �r E. 1l. CO!! u ~' I Q II 11 O. 1 0 i'iIlERU.8, due tc i'.'i.ntGr cli.mat:lc (;C11ditions C;.O.Li.\IUon to mes t p ortions of the S'(jute ai' ~lyolUinG : highways nhcn surfaced vlith \'Jell packed Ot1.0;;, are Gone:rally found to be suitabl e for safe travel at a)'-:>eds in ,l:\.col; ine with C;Jn:'1"·.on. son36 and the obser vance of fundamenii:11 safety :t'a ctors, and \ilThll:lAS, official "sports i ssued by tho \,!yoming State Highway :'Je:1a.rtmcmt :Lor tilo infoI'.n:ltion oi' routi nG agenoies and the trave ling pu1}l ic aro minlcad i !1(; nn:l inadeCluato due to the omission of a "s now r'Yld " clas sification the't'cby creatIng the impression tha. t t he a b ove ~lo;Jcribod Sl1O\'J pacl:ed r O,ld condH;ion is either extremely hazardous (;1' entirely 1.w.pa:01 sa'hle, :.ina ',(JT;.::rm:'.S J tto Jackson Hole 69 ' ex Club J the Jaokson Hol e Ro tary Glllb, ·~he Juckson Hole Cix:lb·:l' 01' COLlrlerce , and the Star Valle y 89 t 81'f'. Clu.b 1'Cpl'<.:ucn:tiD.£; in the aggregate 3006 500 property O\'mGl'S :.i.1 tllo State of \!youlng a!'G c'Jnvinced t t.at the omiss ion of a "s noVi ro~:dn c.i.o~:;;iflcat:'.ol1 in the offici al repor'Lis issued by the Wyoming r:i~:hvIay Do.:'nrtmeht :results in the' intimida:l:.ion of potential w ·inter vif;j:cors s thereby advcl'sely affecting the economy of ~Jyom.ing 01 ties "!nd commt;J.1i ties,. 1m\,: ?BEREFOnE TIE 1'1: P3SULVI:.1) thnt the 89'G:rs International i!.S90clntivn,. Inc .. in ccnvent i on assemblod this 8th day of o J-'&;ober J 1957 at ,\ftoll, dyoruing d o unanimously support the petition 3ubmi tted by its Uyomine delogation requesting the \Iyoming I-IlghVlay !Jel.'artmcnt to include a "3nmJ Rond \I clEl.ssification in all official ·ro~d oondition reports raleased. by t his departmen~ during the "linter of' 1957 Ilnd that ~.;.b.:l:J ola[loillo.:l~v10:'1 boco.mc standard for all times, 1-a.',~h\"D.y an.d m: :cr F1JHTffL"R RESGLVED that thi s petition b e filed with the \i:rmuiDG, Hii])li/ay Departm:3nt, and ~lihat; a copy of this res olution be fm:":J:l~;'ikd to the Gavel.'normd Conr;rcssionul dcl oBil"~es of the Stnt e of rlyar:D.n~ I nl ,d to ChruJliKU' of Conune:- oe Haad CO~Jlm.i t tees in va.r iOllS l,iy"';miJ1.,'; C::·;.':. CG 0 'l""e fOl'cgoing RllSOLunCN 1-;0. 10 "US appr oved and adopted by the 89' ers n~'ITllliAirIC1~Al HIGI;.iAY :~'JSOCL\TIGH. nm. by the unanimous vote of deJeGates on the fi0cr of the Association's Third InterIlD.Gi on:t1 Conve ntion, lle?"jIlg at l.:fton, ':'yoming Ootober 8, 1957. ATTEST: Exeoutive Seoretary �89' e r s I h T i d . A ~ I 0 ~ A L H I G H J A V ASS L. I h C . • ~¥* ••••• *¥~. ** •• ¥.*** ~* ••••••• *••• * •• *.* •• *.*. ( .** •••••••••••• ** "Re:.! : M. H. Cantwell TO : 1 , 1957 Officers and Direotors and Members SUBJECT: Oct o ber tor fiscal yea r Oct . I , 1956 - Oot. I, 1957 Membershi p Repor t Ac'rIVE Lj;SWlERS 1957 ST\TE n. OLO;) 3TAl\VII.G AS OF OCT . I, (compared to) 195 6 LOSS - GATh CANA:JA 36 2 J4 ],ICNTANA 53 60 -7 :',YO:,UKG 81 33 48 IDAHO 44 58 -11,. U'fAH 93 .124 - 31 121 164 - 43 7 7 7;4if =rJ ARIZONA MEXICO l\OTL : 1957 m In addition to the above li s t e d ACTIVE ImL!BERS the Association has a permanent HCI'CRARY Membel'ship consis ting of 0hambers of COillmer ce , Civic OrganIzations, s tate, Provincial , and J;,iunicipal Bodies, l\ewspapers , e tc. which totals 186 H(,l\ORARY l!E;,lBERS . GRUiD TOTAL (Active a nd Honora r y) - LOCAL CLUB j4';;.Lll!:RSHIP IN GeOD 1957 CLUB ,/1 3TAl~DING (compared to) 621 ,\.3 OF OCT . 1956 LOSS -GAlli 16 25 -9 GLilN 0A1YON tl2 29 50 -21 '!3 SEVIER VAL.LEY ,r 23 29 -6 24 35 -11 BEAR LIKE 1}5 44 58 -IL, G TAH VALLl:.Y ,/9 45 32 13 PRESCOTT 1~10 24 ( N ew ~ 24 38 (New\ 38 Bm:CE CANYON ;IIClGiJo.BURG .14 JACKSON ifll .~~ •• *•• ~*¥~ •• * • •••• *.****** 1, 1957 • �89' e r s I N TE o N AT ION A L H I G H • l Y AS S ' N. I N C. * *~********** * ****** ****** ***** *********************** ********************** * * * *** FRO : M M. H. Cantwel l TO: Officers and Directors SUBJECT: ... - -- - Ootober 1 , 1957 Re-Cap of INCOME and EXPENDITURE3 cleared thru the Salt Lake City Offioe for the fiscal year Ootober 1, 1956 - September 30, 1957 • - - - - -- - - - - --- - - - - -- -- r N C O 14 E - 14 E 14 B E R S H MEl" -.!!. TOTAL REVENUE REMITTANCE $645.00 105 .00 405. 00 705 . 00 375. 00 540 . 00 570. 00 210.00 390.00 510 . 00 300 . 00 300 . 00 $645.00 105 . 00 405 . 00 705.00 375. 00 540.00 570.00 210.00 390 .00 510.00 300.00 300 . 00 *********** MONTH RENEW Mar. Apr . May June July Aug. Sept. 23 1 '4 28 7 2 20 9 9 7 14 15 16 6 23 19 16 34 16 5 17 27 6 :2 43 7 27 47 25 36 36 14 26 34 20 20 TOTAL 139 194 337 Oot. Nov. Deo . Jan . Feb. r P FEE S ******************* ******* $5,055.00 , $5,055.00 (Receipt from Corporat1on Treasurer on file for each monthly Remittance ) . OFF ICE MONTH 2-!-E R H E A DAN D S UP P LI E S PHONE POSTAGE Oct. $10.46 Nov. 12.45 Dec. 3 .70 Jan. 9 .74 Feb. 27.26 Mar. 30.41 Apr. 7.74 May 25 . 50 June 4.07 July 14 . 65 Aug . 31.32 Sept . 12,25 TOTAL $169 . 45 $ 8.83 PR~~ ING $11.20 90 . 68 14.97 6.40 34.50 7.50 11.00 19 .24 . 97 .19 24 . 60 135.01 63 .5 6 12.25 20 . 00 38.60 46.08 $221.37 56.24 20 . 35 .-- . $520 .63 MISC. TOTAL $16.92 $ 47 . 41 61.36 179.46 27.48 39.58 12.53 153.96 65.03 124. 39 36.05 214. 47 39.26 149. 80 5.00 30. 50 7.52 23. 84 23 . 80 116.89 12.00 102. 27 ' 2 . 92 61.25 $311 ,87$1.243.5:< .-u ~()A C(..' .. ;1 S ,f ,;;., '1,1 i'? ..l.JjCl- I \ -I. ,,' 'i i b (J _ (Itemized statement of eaoh 1nd1v1dus.1 expenditure sub7 .' ,.. ' mitted to Coroorat1on Treasmel' for audi t prior t o Petty Ca sh Refund) .. I , ..... ~t S' ~ { , & " v , 'J L C' ! �r SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTs No planned sightseeing tour this pom. CONFERENCE OF CLUB OFFICIALS MA IN BUSINESS SESSION 9 a.m. tomorrow morning 10 a.mo tomorrow 'IIill inolude features as follows: DON W ATKINS 7 Publio Relations Direotor Yellowstone Park Co. and Hamilton Stores will speak and conduct discussion on D1JI1'IClltxxxxxx " INTER" COMMUNITY PUBLIC RELATIONS" LYLE SARVIS_ Manager Utah AAA will speak 4IJ( and acoduot disoussion on " Methods used by AAA in seouring ourrent ..K¢x information on road conditions, and how oommunities oan cooperate to their own ad vantage" BANQ,UET TlIlln 8 p.mo tomorrow (ieature speaker~ also ToD Sherard, Deputy Engineer Wyo Sec W Highway Commission yo .. >ow.. ". == , DO .... -_._-- ;.------- Lon Garrison, Supt ellowstone Parko HWY. ep �Opening M eeting M . Oct 7 on ************** INVOCATION AGENDA Paul Stevi g , wyoming Director WELCOME ADDRESS - " " Mayor of Afton and 89'er member Doyle L. Child Lorenzo S. Walker - Fres o Afton C of C. has given exoellent moral and financial support to local 89' ers. ************** CORRESPONDENCE and ANNOUNCEMENTS MINUTES OF 2nd . ANNDAL CONVENTION, Kanab, Utah APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTIES 1)/"~-c( ?-/'.t L/v NOMINATING - Ernest Saran(Ch~ Bill Bass ARIZ:ONA ( 2 ) UTAH AUDITING - Frank Sorgatz (ch) RESOLUTIONS - (someone from W yoming) WYOMING (1) Directorships to be filled- Oct. 12, 1956 (1) Mark Pugmire Chas . Ma»tin (ch) Ralph Cameron J years J years 1 year - unexpired term Burnett Handryx Allen Cameron Mrs. Dorothy Bo 06 , Jerry Breen , . ('~c.i_\ S '" I i"'" Paul Stevig(or ~~§D from W e yoming Fred Houohens(of Jackson. Fred will not be here today but has two resolutions on which he wants to talk fc tomorrow, so wo uld be good to have him on the committee. ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION Standing Committee - M itchell, Chairman , Sorgatz, Hendryx, Cantwell ******** ANNOUNCE: Committee Chairmen will call meeting follOwing adjournment. 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Title A name given to the resource Third annual 89'ers membership meeting minutes, October 7-8, 1957 Description An account of the resource Third annual 89'ers membership meeting minutes, October 7-8, 1957 from Afton, Wyoming. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Cantwell, Martin H. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Stewart, Ray V. Mitchell, Bentley Subject The topic of the resource Accounts United States Highway 89 Nonprofit organizations Alberta Route 2 Mexico Route 15 Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10/7/57 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. 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As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1/16/84 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. 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As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 5/26/84 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. 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To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Construction Area on June 18, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 5/25/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 4, Photo 83139-36. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002004_83139-36_ConstructionArea.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/ef8095a70280104691dc4bb9313289c0.jpg 7fe03a23dcd88ceec7ec98a013c477d6 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2722 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3810 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1450523 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 4/9/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Creek Construction Area on July 05, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 7/5/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 16, Photo 83156-15. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002016_83156-15_ThistleConstruction.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/4e3cc785212b913a421c0e4b979155c7.jpg 076bfcb34ea3000b1d6ea299f15c5c84 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2694 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3942 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1154515 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 4/8/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Creek Diversion Project Area Headquarters on June 15, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 5/25/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 1, Photo 83136-15. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002001_83136-15_ConstructionOffice.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/61f671dd5e51cfcf5a2c59aa2990b3c9.jpg 66c74cefbca1cf3406f001d866730218 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2691 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3891 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1277314 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 5/15/14 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Creek on May 26, 1984 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 5/26/84 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 3, Folder 71, Photo 84073-15. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229003071_84073-15_ThistleCreek.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/7c84f66f0aa1a6feee857f793ae9c6f1.jpg dcccaf7c1d53aac45f0593485b516a31 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 5 inches x 4 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 3920 Width Width of digital item in pixels 2616 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1318897 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 5/15/14 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Debris Excavation on November 16, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 11/16/83 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 3, Folder 4, Photo 83239-125. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229003004_83239-125_ThistleDebrisandWorkers.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/02c9cf641c53a8944ec2c84ba038582e.jpg acb1dc77fb425f53c1fbabe5f9c0a067 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2678 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3883 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1012137 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 5/15/14 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Detour Sign on October 19, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10/19/83 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 57, Photo 83219-19. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002057_83219-19_DetourSign.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/574a7a5cd2c396bb46b6f4f6004a6816.jpg 863830c6d77951d9619cabd23f6a1a5f Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2673 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3888 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1262311 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 5/15/14 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Diversion Tunnel on October 05, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 10/5/83 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 53, Photo 83212-41. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002053_83212-41_ThistleTunnel.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/766f60c5a8db52f93bff2030ba6c16b6.jpg 1eace0c12683bfa68d3726495782ce9c Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2709 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3809 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 971000 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 4/24/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Drainage Tunnel on September 06, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 9/6/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 37, Photo 83177-6. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002037_83177-6_ThistleDrainageTunnel.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/b88b4c3d4bfef74e1e057924f1520a7e.jpg d5a2e70839047fa3a55c0c2116e88495 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2631 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3870 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1448441 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 4/24/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Drainage Tunnel on September 28, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 9/28/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 43, Photo 83207-69. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002043_83207-69_ThistleDrainTunnel.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/7d4b7aee9d60cc68d9c5e89b9edba69c.jpg 2e5f396c50cb787233afeeec50f6fe0c Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Image Height 2607 Image Width Image Width in pixels 3899 Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5.5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2607 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3899 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1163617 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2/27/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Flood Diversion Waterfall on May 24, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 5/24/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 1, Folder 42 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229001042_ThistleHallsFalls.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/18ecbc0e4002195b78ad8ed396670c31.jpg 1940e8be0c8556c9d585d19e45bfb818 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Height Height of digital item in pixels 6293 Width Width of digital item in pixels 7925 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 2253675 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi); display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2013-03-18 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Flood With Highway 89 Submerged on April 18, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource Utah County (Utah) Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) United States Highway 89 Buildings--Natural disaster effects Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983-04-19 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) US 89 (Utah) Utah County (Utah) United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 1, Folder 11. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229001011_ThistleRoad.jpeg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/410da9cc8bca44fa3fe0d9e7f57dcf5a.jpg 131dbdc898e5cb65a9977fca7ab31130 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Height Height of digital item in pixels 6174 Width Width of digital item in pixels 7867 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 2029608 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi); display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2013-03-18 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Flood With Houses and Vehicles Being Submerged on April 19, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah State Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource Utah County (Utah) Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) United States Highway 89 Buildings--Natural disaster effects Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983-04-19 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) US 89 (Utah) Utah County (Utah) United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 1, Folder 5. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229001005_ThistleCar.jpeg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/04622d418b2781cfb80521d7afc0a02b.jpg 9d01edf3566917644fd74d2ce3953aa3 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2694 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3858 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 705393 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 5/15/14 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Lake at Sunset on November 10, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 11/10/83 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 66, Photo 83235-68. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002066_83235-68_ThistleLakeSunset.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/4efd509534911e8fcce4e02f6b19b94e.jpg eab4049c9b74eb9a89e7d79c8f863305 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 4 inches x 5 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 2734 Width Width of digital item in pixels 3832 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1577218 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 4/9/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Lake Drainage Intake Tunnel on July 05, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 7/5/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 13, Photo 83156-124. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002013_83156-124_ThistleLakeDrainage.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle https://highway89.org/files/original/217c8e08ddadbfeef06df7a3e4a0fa80.jpg 0ec386b6cd0e628eb20f4e5d4c439685 Still Image A static visual representation. Examples include paintings, drawings, graphic designs, plans and maps. Recommended best practice is to assign the type Text to images of textual materials. Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by : Utah State Archives and Records Service Physical Dimensions The actual physical size of the original image 5 inches x 4 inches Height Height of digital item in pixels 3848 Width Width of digital item in pixels 2718 Scanning resolution Resolution in DPI 800 Colorspace RGB or Grayscale, for example 24-Bit Color File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1258348 Bytes Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State Archives and Records Service using Epson GT-30000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is uncompressed TIFF (800 dpi). Display file is JPEG 2000. Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 4/9/2014 Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please contact the Utah State Archives History Research Center at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/index.html</a> Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Thistle Lake Drainage Pipes on July 05, 1983 Description An account of the resource This image documents the Thistle Flood that began in April 1983 with a massive mud slide that created an earthen dam, blocking the flow of the Spanish Fork River. In addition to severing Highway 89 as a transportation route, the dam destroyed the Denver and Rio Grande Western railroad tracks, cutting off the railroad link between Salt Lake and Denver. As flood waters rose, the town of Thistle (located on Highway 89) was inundated with the water that would form Thistle Lake. Massive construction efforts were made between 1983 and 1984 to reconstruct rail and road lines, as well as divert and drain water from Thistle Lake into the nearby Spanish Fork River. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Utah Department of Transportation Subject The topic of the resource US 89 (Utah County)--Photographs Disasters--Utah-Spanish Fork Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Photographs Color photographs Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 7/5/1983 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Spanish Fork Canyon (Utah) Utah County (Utah) Utah United States Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1983-1985 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State Archives and Records Service, Official Photographs: Thistle Disaster Documentation, Series 25229, Box 2, Folder 13, Photo 83148-2. Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. Inventory for the Utah Department of Transportation Thistle Flood photograph collection can be found at: <a href="http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html">http://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/25229.html</a> Rights Holder A person or organization owning or managing rights over the resource. Utah State Archives and Records Service Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the Utah State Archives, phone (801) 533-3535. Type The nature or genre of the resource Image StillImage Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource image/jpeg Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 25229002013_83148-2_ThistleDrainagePipes.jpg Environmental Conditions Natural Disasters Public Works Spanish Fork Canyon Thistle