1 50 5 https://highway89.org/files/original/516f3269d1309e4f38dc15ab6b5bdca3.pdf 47f0c9d95fa38a6db816f6108d0e50a0 PDF Text Text �nferi. ';ty , regardless of the avenue :hey ~.'-.ive c hosen to follow . Som ~ couples m e r~ly need infornation or referrals; others feel alone ..vith their grief and need the companionship of other people who have bee' in the same situation: If you, or sumeone you know, could benefit from these services, call Resolve, 1-350-8807. t1 I • , ~~atn1€ , ,_ ...... _ J'Resolve ol,-Utah ::t I - J / ~ t-4- • ,rn...d--'~ t :r Adult fables ,.. Editor: Adult Fable No.1: Once upon a time in a small town called Smithfield, there were very old , large trees on both sides of Main Street. Long branches covered the o utside lane of traffic and sidewalks . Experts were called and a study was made. The little city wac:; advised the trees needed to be drastically pruned for best results. The n came the "pecking :hickens ." "Leave the trees alo ne. The trees Alill 'die, sca red for life , fo.ols . I want ny way~ " The littl e to'.vn was right. They impl :> me nt ed the plan that was best We are now proud of our park -for th e c it y. Now the- tr.ees are --':.,;,.. -trout in the~tTea m, covered plc ni.c beau tiful a nd mojes tiC , and eac h tr~e a reas, love ly planted freeS and grass, . can say , "Someone cared for me." grounds, foot bridge, fine, clean rest Conclusion : The "pecking rooms. We are not afraid to use this chickens" are at it again. Maybe the park anymore, thanks to all who Logan Canyon study may be the were and are responsible. next fable that needs help. The Conclusion: Logan Canyon is the experts, local elected and next fable about a little canyon thelt government officials, who have the needs help from experts, elected good of the people and the Logan officials and government employees Canyon in mi nd, I commend yo u for who have worked and planned so your dilige nce and concern for the hard for the good of the people and majority of the people and the good best for the land. for the canyon. Adult Fable No.2: Sadie Hanson Once upon a time there was a Smithfield place called "Mack's Park" in a little town called Smithfield. Weeds, underbrush, junk, rampant trees, destroyed toilet facilities and picnic tables, marred and broken, were seen all around. An yone who had a no tion slepTon the tables. Summit Cree k was no t visible because of the sirua tion . Town people we re afraid to go there. The c ity called in experts and an extensive st udy was done. The plan was anno un ced. Then came the "pec king ch ic ke ns ." 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Nuffer 11 12 13 Project Manager 14 15 16 17 , 18 < U 19 o Z UI \oJ I[ IL 20 ~ UI \oJ ~ o « z " 21 22 \oJ D.. 23 24 25 CH2M Hill �I N D E X 2 3 Statement by Mr. Dee Johnson 6 5 Statement by Mr. Barry Negus 7 6 Statement by Mr. Val Peterson 8 7 Statement by Mr. Bryce Nielson 10 8 Statement by Mr. Ted Seeholtzer 13 9 Statement by Mr. Bryce Stringham 19 10 Statement by Mr. John Flannery 20 11 Statement by Mr. George Preston 23 12 Statement by Mr. Russ Currel 25 13 Statement by Mr. OWen Wahlstrom 26 14 Statement by Mr. Paul Webb 27 15 Statement by Mr. Bill Peterson 28 16 Statement by Ms. Cathy Webb 29 17 Statement by Mr. Ray Elliott 32 18 Statement by Mr. Lynn Hillsman 35 19 Statement by Mr. Don Huffner 36 20 Statement by Mr. Todd Weston of UDOT 38 21 Statement by Mr. Jess Anderson 42 22 Statement by Mr. Howard Richardson 43 23 'of Statement by Mr. Ken Brown 4 ell 0 3 3 .. Statement by Mr. Otto Mattson Statement by Mr. Dave Baumgartner 45 ~ II: 0 Ii. III ~ 1'1 C7I < u 0 z II) '" II: Ii. ~ II) '" ~ "0 0( z " III Q. 24 -000- 25 ) i. �GARDEN CITY, UTAH, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4, 1987, 7:00 P.M. 2 -000- MR. WESTON: 3 Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to w~'re 4 begin this meeting. 5 County, in Garden City. 6 for the use of this room, this facility. 1 here tonight on behalf of three agencies and a lot of other 8 interested people. 9 Commissioner of the Utah Department of Transportation, 10 happy to be over here in Rich We thank the Garden City officials We welcome you My name is Todd Weston. I'm the representing this part of the state. 11 We're here tonight to further our discussions 12 that we started with some information meetings some time 13 ago in this same room. 14 tonight. 15 had one in Logan last night and another one this morning 16 in Logan, and this will complete the scoping process of 11 the study that we're entering into on Logan Canyon. This is called a scoping meeting It's the third of three that we are holding. We The meeting will be conducted by the people from 18 19 CH2M Hill, who are the consultants employed by the Department 20 of Transportation to make the study in Logan Canyon. (Further comments by Mr. Weston. 21 Introductions 22 of officials present were made. Further comments by 23 Mr. Weston. 24 were projected upon the wall, and Mr. Barker gave a 25 narration. Comments by Mr. Sheldon Barker. Colored slides Mr. Nuffer continued the narration of the 2. �) slides. Further comments by Mr. Weston.) 2 MR. WESTON: 3 followed by Ken Brown. 4 We will first have MR. OTTO MATTSON: Ott~ Mattson, Gentlemen, after all these 5 6 route on a main artery, the highway system. 9 o Our economic growth is severely hampered by the fourth-class 8 III to be deprived of an adequate means of travel to and from? 7 ., studies, these surveys, the discussions, do we still have future is not to continue to be deprived because of a few N ~ a: ... o 10 We hope our we feel know nothing of our protective situation. We all love beauty, but we also love Twentieth 11 12 13 situations, transportation, livestock, construction, goods . 14 1-15 is an artery. 15 not least, recreation, the Wasatch Front's playground. 16 .J Century progress. economic growth now depends on the travel of these routes. < our future. o Last but Our Build, and remove the change for We hope you will consider that. MR. NUFFER: 19 U It's a Yellowstone route. Our views: 17 18 In our situation we have medical Thank you. Ken Brown. Then we'll Z til 101 20 a: t.. have Dee Johnson. ...: til 101 MR. KEN BROWN: 21 ~ Good evening, ladies and o « 22 gentlemen. 23 to see you, a good number of people here in attendance. 24 It shows good support, whether you're in favor or not in 25 z " I appreciate being here tonight, and it's good favor. 101 CL ) 3. �) The newsman from Channel 2 gave me a title of 2 being outspoken. 3 in there to indicate that. 4 But on the news, I didn't put- anything So I'm a little disappointed. As everyone knows, the Logan Canyon road 5 improvement issue has been one of a lot of controversy, 6 and I think that's probably unfortunate. 7 bit about the road. 8 been improved in Logan Canyon, as you know, is a very narrow 9 road, difficult to pass, problems for good flow of traffic. Just a little In my opinion, the area that hasn't 10 The bridges are a disaster, in my opinion, a real hazard 11 to traffic. 12 With respect to the study--and somebody correct 13 me if I'm wrong--I understand that this is the fourth study 14 --is that right, Todd? 15 ) MR. WESTON: 16 17 , 18 Well, I've been involved in three. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a fourth. MR. BROWN: That's a real concern to me. going into the fourth study of this area. We're What are we going 19 to gain from the fourth study that we couldn't have gained 20 in the first, second, or third? 21 in my opinion. 22 The improvements. So I think that's a waste, I look for a design, improved 23 road, such as that in the lower portion of the canyon, or 24 that which has been improved. 25 essential for the flow of traffic. The passing lanes are New bridges need to ) 4. �) be built, in my opinion. 2 It's been my understanding that there has been 3 some proposal of a four lane system in Logan Canyon. 4 totally opposed to anything of that nature. 5 and it wouldn't be cost-effective. 6 Traveling in the canyon. I'm It isn't needed, I have spent most of II> 7 my life in Rich County. 8 of times, a lot of miles, a lot of different years, going 9 " o to college and Utah State University. N I've traveled the canyon a lot ~ II: o ... I think I have a 10 pretty good feel for how the road was prior to improvement 11 as now. Going through the canyon 12 now, and especially 13 the improved section, I can't see where you can tell there 14 was any disturbance carried out. 15 affect the beauty 16 there now, how can you tell, as I said, anything was ever 17 done? 418 <: u o I don't think it will once it's restored. As you drive through From a business standpoint or an economic 19 development, it's essential and critical. We know that 20 all businesses are struggling. 21 money, from the county standpoint, as well as from a grant 22 aspect, to the economic development in the Bear Lake region, 23 and we need to be able to get people to and 24 the Cache Valley area, as well. z UI LoI II: ... We are putting money, public ~ UI LoI ~ o « z " '" a.. 25 from~ I think As I said, I'm very much opposed to a fourth 5. �study coming forth of this issue, and I am very much in 2 favor of a road improvement in the portion of the highway 3 where the improved area ends in Garden City. 4 entire route needs improvement. MR. NUFFER: 5 6 I think the Thank you. Dee Johnson. Then we'll have Barry Negus. MR. DEE JOHNSON: 7 Good evening, ladies and 8 gentlemen. I appreciate the opportunity to comment. 9 I don't want to be repetitious of what's been said. I represent Rich County as a Commissioner and 10 11 12 ) as a citizen also. I sit in the middle. Mr. Francis was at the Logan meeting, and you've heard from Commissioner 13 Brown. 14 the other one is the other. 15 way to be would be to get in the middle of the road of those 16 two, and by so doing I sort of am an eternal optimist. And one of them is just as bullheaded one way as So I have decided the best I don't think there is anything that can't be 17 18 done if all people concerned try to make it happen. As 19 long as there's dialogue and study, then things like that 20 can happen. It's been mentioned that the entire economy, 21 22 of course, on this side of the hill depends on that road. 23 It is a major artery. 24 certainly fraternized by our people on this side of the 25 hill. I think Cache County's economy is You know, babies are born over there, and they will 6. �) always be born over there, and I'd like to see the road 2 improved and the environment withheld to a point that these 3 babies that's being born today and those that are going 4 to be born in 10, 15 years, can enjoy it. I see a situation where we have a present road 5 6 standard of approximately 25 feet. To get a standard or 7 a modified standard, we need to have about 8 I just can't help but think we can't add another 10 feet 9 in places where it's needed and still keep the environment io feet, and 10 so that it's protected, scenic. There has to be a way, 11 and there will be a way if we're all willing to work towards 12 it. If we go with Plan A, and we simply say no action 13 14 taken, then we haven't helped everyone concerned. We've 15 only helped one particular element, that being the element 16 who said, nBy doing anything, we disturb the environment." 17 If we go to the extreme and take alternatives 18 D or E, then we haven't maintained the environment as it 19 needs to be. 20 a road that can service the needs now and in the future. 21 We all have to work together. 22 the time. III N .... f ''"' " < u Somewhere we have to get in the middle, get o z I/) 101 a:: IL ...: I/) 101 ~ I think we can. I appreciate '0 « z " Thank you. 101 11. 23 MR. BARRY NEGUS: I agree well with everything 24 that's been said so far, and I think there is a definite 25 need for an improvement on the road. I think I can say ', ) 7. �most of the people travel on that road at least once a week, ~nd 2 3 to make it a little better and to help things out, not only 4 for us over here, - but for anybody else that wants to travel 5 the road. 6 think there are ways it can be done to keep the scenics 7 there and still make a good road and help everyone out. 8 12. · if not two or three times. Thank you. And with the scenic beauty and everything, I MR. NUFFER: 9 10 it does need to be improved Thank you, Barry. Next we'll have Val Peterson, followed by Bryce Nielson. MR. VAL .PETERSON: 11 ~ntothe I would like to have read 12 position that was taken by the Cache Chamber of Commerce 14 board of directors on the 15th of October in 1986 relative 15 to the Logan Canyon road study. such a study, which may eventually provide clearance to 17 much needed road improvements in the Logan Canyon. 18 our understanding that the study focuses primarily on the 19 stretch of canyon road between Right Fork and Garden City. 20 ~ 13 16 ) or recorded official record of this meeting a This is basically the unimproved section of the canyon road. We are pleased to support It is As a Chamber of Commerce we recognize that our 21 22 neighbors to the north in Idaho and Wyoming as well as Utah 23 depend on the canyon, Logan Canyon corridor, to provide 24 transportation access to services found in Logan and Cache 25 County. Their patronage to our businesses are encouraged, .) 8. �) welcomed, and appreciated. To these outlying communities, 2 this access is critical and fulfills a great need, a 3 lifeline, if you will, to much needed services and goods 4 not found in their areas. 5 Bear Lake is one of the largest bodies of clean 6 7 Salt Lake, and other Utah areas. 9 III facilities for not only local needs, but those of Ogden, 8 ., o ... fresh waters found in Utah. This area provides recreational area, as well as the canyon itself, attracts out of state ::E a: o IL 10 The beauty of the lake tourists, especially in the summer months. We think that the upper reaches of the Logan 11 12 Canyon Road should be made safer and more usable by upgrading 13 to an acceptable modern day standard as much as possible; 14 specificall~ 15 bridges widened, curves made less sharp, sight distance 16 lengthened, and areas widened. passing lanes installed, turning lanes built, It is recognized that environmental consideration 17 III ... N '" f 18 must be taken into account and in some cases allowed to 19 govern the situation. 20 attraction of the canyon is its uniqueness in its natural 21 setting. 22 uncontrolled road construction in Logan Canyon. III < u ci It is agreed that the charm and Z .., 1/1 a: IL ~ .., 1/1 ~ We do not want nor do we propose to support 0 <{ z " .., 0. 23 It is reassuring to know that an interdisciplinary 24 study team has been formed to guide the development of the 25 study currently underway. This team is made up not only 9. �of economists, biologists, engineers, UDOT, Federal Highway 2 Administration representatives, U. S. Forest Service 3 personnel, but the environmental community as well. 4 should provide a well balanced technical steering group 5 for recommended improvements. This Economical developments and the well being of 6 7 our existing businesses and those that may come into Cache 8 County is the basis of the Chamber of Commerce. 9 important for a Chamber of Commerce to help build a better It is also 10 11 the economic and social stability of our valley. 12 an opportunity for us to get behind this effort to do 13 something about the Logan Canyon Road and to work together 14 to improve our northern access from Logan to Garden City. 15 ) community by encouraging people to work together to improve Thank you. .. 16 17 18 MR. NUFFER: Thank you. Mr. Nielson. This is And after the Mayor, we will have Ted Seeholtzer. MR. BRYCE NIELSON: I appreciate the opportunity 19 to speak tonight. I look at the Logan Canyon Road from 20 various points of view. 21 up and live in Logan and to utilize the canyon from a 22 recreational point of view. 23 to live for a good number of years in Rich County and use 24 the canyon as a main artery towards the livelihood that 25 we require; doctors, stores, that type of stuff. I've had the opportunity to grow I've also had the opportunity ) 10. �! . I have also have had the opportunity to be a 2 fisheries biologist and a "environmentalist," you might 3 say. 4 the mayor of Garden City, and been able to see many of the 5 concerns that citizens of the area have about travel, 6 tourism, businesses, the life blood of communities. I have also been on the other side of the coin · as about I feel this gives me a good overview of the 7 8 problem on the Logan Canyon road. I feel that I can't really 9 state what alternatives I'm in favor of or opposed to. 10 11 13 appeal. is extremely important to me, since I transport my family, 15 my loved ones, through the canyon, and my friends travel 16 through the canyon. 17 to say which is more important that one or the other. 18 < throughout the canyon, its scenic values, its esthetic 14 u both the fishery environment and the other environments 12 ) Obviously, the environment is extremely important to me, think they're both extremely important. 19 o But on the same hand, the safety of the canyon So it's very difficult for me as one I I don't think speed is an issue in the canyon, Z III III 20 can you go around a corner? 22 many minutes can you save? 23 with most of the people in Rich County. 24 an issue with many people. 25 ... and I constantly hear this brought up as speed. 21 a:: very much in favor of improvement of bridges. How fast How many miles an hour, how I don't think that's an issue I don't think it's Safety is an issue, and I'm I'm very ) 11. �much in favor of improvement of passing lanes, so that 2 individuals who are impatient, want to get on down the road, 3 will not take hazardous actions that may affect the safety 4 of myself or people that I know and that I think a lot of. I think that it's important that the canyon is 5 6 improved for the tourist industry in Garden City and the 7 Bear Lake area. 8 about in many of these meetings is the fact that you talk 9 ' about loads through the canyon, people, numbers of cars; You know, one thing that's not been talked 10 but nobody has really talked about the amount of people 11 that go through Evanston, other routes to the area, primarily 12 to avoid the canyon. 13 utilize this exceptional resource . .J I'd like to see more of these people One other thing that I'm probably not--well, 14 15 I'm not in favor of--is any realignment of the Rich County 16 side. 17 and boats and semi's labor up and down the hill. 18 I also can see the scars of the old road that existed in 19 the thirties, and I don't want to see additional scars in 20 that beautiful area. 21 of the valley here and many of the tourists who come through 22 thoroughly enjoy seeing deer, moose, and associated wildlife 23 in that area. 24 25 I live on that alignment. I see the cars and trucks However, I know that many of the residents I think with some minor changes I can be very happy with the route as it exists at present. 12. �On the economic side, I don't want to see citizens 2 of Rich County be unduly taxed to maintain a road that they 3 would abandon if in fact they actually did abandon the road 4 or the alignment was changed so that it was our 5 responsibility as taxpayers to maintain the road that exists 6 right now. Above and beyond all, and in quick summary, I 7 8 would like to see more of us get together, both the 9 "environmentalists," "the users of the canyon," and the 10 politicians and look together to see the type of ending 11 that I think we can all be proud of. 12 ) MR. NUFFER: 13 MR. TED SEEHOLTZER: 14 15 Thank you. Ted. It's hell to get old,isn't it? My name is Ted Seeholtzer. I'm affiliated with 16 17 Travel Council for 11 years. 18 < u Beaver Mountain ski area. Bridgerland Tourist Council, which includes Rich County 19 and Cache County. 20 Some of them sit a little sideways from time to time, but 21 basically I'm straight down the middle type of a guy. a I'm a past member of the Utah I am now chairman of the So I can speak with two or three hats. z \II 101 a: ... ...: \II 101 ~ o '" " Z 22 I have been accused of being a special interest 101 IL 23 ·individual regarding the canyon. Perhaps I am to a point, 24 but I'm here to tell you one thing, whether or not I'm 25 associated with Beaver Mountain, if I thought for one minute 13. �that canyon was going to be uprooted, I would be completely 2 on the other side of the fence. So I do have some very, 3 very strong concerns about the canyon and what ought to 4 happen to it and the condition it ought to be in hopefully 5 when we get some work done on it. Just to throw a few insights to you regarding 6 7 the area and traffic patterns that we have there, on a day 8 that Beaver Mountain has 1,200 skiers, that develops into 9 roughly 440 cars at 2.7 persons per car, which is a good 10 average. It's pretty much a set number by all the resorts 11 in Utah-Colorado areas.· We have that happen any number of times during 12 ) 2.7 is a pretty good figure. 13 the winter. 14 Day and some of these type things that we get upwards of 15 1,300, 1,400, 1,500 people. 16 of 1,200 to 440 cars, if those people were to leave the 17 resort in an orderly fashion in a two-hour period, every 18 27 seconds an automobile would hit that road. 19 within an hour period, every 13.5 seconds an automobile 20 hits that highway. 21 Of course, we have some peak days. President's But as an average weekend crowd If they leave So we know that that road cannot be developed 22 to handle total peak traffic. The 24th of July, Labor Day, 23 Fourth of July type crowds. 24 considered when that road is designed that those types of 25 traffics are possible on it, and consideration should be But it certainly ought to be 14. �" given to that. We're noticing a great deal more traffic coming 2 3 4 We need those people in this area for their tax dollars, 6 the tourism industry, probably the easier industry to 7 attract. 8 water systems, and that for them. 9 (II resort. 5 " o '" from the Soda Springs, the Wyoming country in to use the your tax dollars. This side of the mountain needs some help also. We are not asked to build schools; cess pools, ~ II:: i 10 11 They don'tccme out of All they do is add to the coffers of the cities and counties where they visit. There are a few misconceptions that probably 12 have been handed out in the last 30 to 60 days concerning 13 the study that ought to be discussed just a little bit. 14 If you remember, the information was put up here on the 15 board regarding Logan Canyon as a designated scenic highway. 16 It · has been designated only in the Forest Land Use Plan. 17 It has not been registered in the Congressional Record at 18 this point in time. 19 that people think it is now in the record. 20 Forest Use Plan, not in the Congressional Record. III N ,.. 1'1 0> < U o I think that's a point of confusion Only in the Z VI III II:: '"- 21 It's been suggested that we use wider stripes, 22 · brighter paint, to mark the canyon with. 23 But, you know, it's rather difficult to see it in the winter 24 when it's covered with snow. 25 That's great. It doesn't show up too good. They talk about better .ighway atrol, law ) 15. �I. enforcement on speed down through the lower end, the lower 2 section of the project. I hope the heck they don't throw 3 the whistle at me when I'm on the way down, because there 4 is no place off of there. 5 for you and me to pull off if we're in trouble. 6 those things really need to be taken. care of. There are very, very few places Some of True, there could be some destruGtion to the 7 8 river. In places they have to build ret.a'ining walls. 9 question. It is a Class 2 fishery river. No But keep in mind 10 11 and it will always be a put and take river as long as the 12 ) it has been a put and take river for the last 10 to 12 years, fishing pressure is there. 13 it is possibly not a rating of a Class 2 river at this time. 14 So we have to consider .that We're been told that it will kill the algae in 15 the river if they work along the banks. 16 grow back next year. 17 have to be disturbed somewhat, providing we do not have 18 to maintain too many retaining walls. 19 So some of that stuff may have to be sacrificed for the 20 interim period, but it will return. 21 True. It will come back. But it will The bushes may Those will come back. Talk about campground destruction. Some of the 22 campgrounds will be eliminated. Two campgrounds are involved 23 in that lower section of the road. 24 other is the one at Cottonwood. 25 been blocked out for the last five or six · years by the One is China Row. The The one at Cottonwood has 16. �" Forest Service. It is no longer in use at this time. The 2 3 of the corridor of the trees. 6 granted. 7 GO have an extremely difficult time getting back on because 5 o You have . a difficult time getting off the road, and you 4 ., one at China Row shouldn't be, as it's far too dangerous. point . It is a beautiful place, But it is also a very dangerous place at that N ~ II: Logan Cave, a very definite problem area, probably 8 o ... 9 10 the most controversial area in Logan Canyon. question about it. Beautiful place. Agreed. No But it can be solved. The last four or five years, UDOT has had to 11 12 more fill in later on, nor push it into the river, which has been done the last two or three years . . I think that 17 problem could be handled very easily without a lot of 18 U it, and it's set. 16 o road. 15 < 13 14 ) haul fill in there to keep the river from coming over the destruction to it. 19 portion of the canyon--probably the one phenomenon in all 20 of Logan Canyon. Why don't we elevate the road? No problem. Cantilever out over We don't have to haul any And heaven's knows, I don't want that Z 1/1 W II: ... One thing that hasn't been discussed here a great 21 22 deal is the amount of snow that falls in Logan Canyon from 23 the Forks to, say, Sunrise Campground on this side of the 24 canyon. 25 there's somewhere between 300 and 500 inches of snowfall The records we've kept over the last years shows 17. �1/ within that area. , The 500 inches would fall from Tony Grove 2 over the top into Sunrise. Have you ever considered the 3 size of bar pit that you need to put that much snow in? 4 Sure, some of it can be blown away, but a 5 lot of it also blows back on. 6 ask the gentlemen who drive the plow trucks through there, 7 they will tell you -that 100 inches could blow in one night 8 that they have to push off, not only that that falls. I'm sure if you were to So we do need some bar pit room. 9 We do need 10 some shoulders for those in trouble to get off and to make 11 the road safer and less narrow in the winter time when there 12 is an awful .lot of snow falling. My recommendation would be on the improvement 13 14 15 estimation an excellent job on the bottom end of the road, 16 they have used awfully good judgment to improve that road. 17 f of the road to let the UDOT people, who have done in my It is not unsightly. 18 place, but that was necessary for a passing lane. 19 you did not have the one passing lane along by Brown's 20 Rolloff, you would only have the passing lane from Malibu 21 area until you hit the dugway, and that is too far for people 22 who need to get through the canyon. True, they got into the river in one And if I thank you very much for your time, and I 23 24 appreciate the privilege of speaking to you tonight. 25 Thank you. 18. �.. MR. NUFFER: 2 Bryce Stringham. Then we'll have John Flannery. 3 MR. BRYCE STRINGHAM: I'm Bryce Stringham. I've 4 5 It was about eight years before that that I was a part-time 6 resident. 7 that canyon any more than I have in the last '28 years, and 8 I put in quite a lot of input in the last meeting we had 9 ~ III o been a resident here for all the time for about 20 years. here, and I kind of protested about that road, and I'm sure I don't think there is anybody that has traveled Of I II: o ... 10 11 that's been covered many times. The concern I have on this is changing the route 12 13 'he's for keeping it on the route it's going. 14 go along with that to a point, that if we've got to change 15 that route, that we change it on the face here because of 16 the scenic values, because of the people who are already 17 ) on this side of the hill. I think, as Bryce has said, that there who need to serve in part. 18 need to change the road, let's keep it near where it is, 19 and let's come out where we're at. I essentially ,~ In other words, if we ill N ,... t'I 01 <: u o We have to look at the Z til W II: ... W economic part of it, too. 21 Now, if they're going to change the route down 22 Hodges Canyon, they've got to buy more property, they've 23 got to ·change the route. 24 maybe using some of the old route they had, or whatever. 25 I don't know what . the study is. That costs a lot more money than But I'd be violently against 19. �II changing any other route but essentially the route we've 2 got. Now, with some variations and like that would 3 4 be fine, but to change a whole new route that's the thing 5 that I'm opposed to. Thank you. 6 MR. NUFFER: John Flannery. 7 MR. JOHN FLANNERY: Thank you for the opportunity. 8 Can you hear me in back? I'm a writer, not a speaker. 9 So I'm going to read what I have for all here. First of all, I have no financial interests in 10 11 any way in Logan Canyon or Logan or Rich .county. This is 12 not in opposition to what has been said or to the idea of 13 improving the road we have. 14 it as a note of caution. I would prefer to think of When I came to Utah to work for the State 32 15 16 years ago, it was Parley's Canyon that said: 11 good place. 18 two-lane road going into Salt Lake City is marvelous. 19 gone. This is beauty." "This is a That small stream by the It's Provo Canyon was a quiet meander from Provo to 20 21 Heber Valley, with a few scattered mostly summer homes. 22 Excellent brown trout fishing and shade. 23 and winding. 24 gone. 25 The road was slow It was a place of tranquility. And it is The road from Ogden to Huntsville is less exciting ) 20. �perhaps. 2 homes. 3 13. k~ Steeper, a little bit. Narrower. Not too many That, too, is gone. One canyon remains, admittedly butchered in part, 4 riprapped in part, but maintaining its uniqueness. 5 Logan Canyon, as you all know. As a sometimes travel writer and photographer, 6 ., That's 7 I find that will attract and appeal to both the veteran 9 o my concerns are the esthetics of an area. 8 III What is it that traveler and the first-time or once in a lifetime voyager? N 10 11 I have visited and worked in a lot of states and a lot of 12 countries, flown over quite a few of them too. 13 ..J Without going into a travel log, I would like to say that of these have been visually diminished by the straight 14 ribbons of cement and blacktop we equate with progress and 15 call development. Too many Less than a month ago in Hawaii, I had the 16 17 privilege of driving a road called the Road of a Hundred 18 Bridges, and it runs down across the back of Maui to the 19 tiny town of Hana. 20 is 20 miles an hour. 21 And at many, many bridges you have to stop, yield to oncoming 22 traffic. · 23 There are 23 miles. The top speed limit You often have to go 10 miles an hour. These are one-way bridges. And you'd be glad that you're in a Japanese car and not an American car when 24 you do try to cross those. Still, it's an unforgettable 25 drive of leisure and beauty, with enough ·pullouts to 21. �) encourage dawdling and savoring a unique place on earth. 2 The Hawaiians don't lament those 23 miles of beauty, and 3 that leisurely drive makes people come allover the world 4 who care about scenic beauty. 5 of the tourist industry. 6 It's the backbone of some I submit that Logan Canyon and its river are 7 similarly unique. Certainly there is nothing like this 8 canyon and the Logan River left in . Utah. It's butchery, and it could happen. 9 It will 10 diminish its ability to draw the many people who come to 11 savor what we have. Injuring this canyon will diminish Utah's full 12 13 house of attractions. Its damage could and will reduce 14 the value of what is a gateway to your beautiful valley 15 and perhaps wipe out travelers' enthusiasm for the total 16 experience of the drive from the Wasatch Front communities 17 to Bear Lake. Minutes saved will never repay posterity for 18 19 the measured damage that may be done to the unique canyon 20 we have. Thank you for listening. 21 I know you're not 22 sympathetic to some of the things I've said. 23 this is not opposition. 24 you. 25 MR. NUFFER: As I said, It's a word of caution. Thank you. Thank Well, those are ~ll ) 22. _. ____ .. _ .. _.... ..... .. _. . .... . _.................. . . . . . _ . . . . ....... ....... _... ...... .... , ... ... ....... .\.\.. _,"\ H'" ... . . .? . • • _ .' .. r .. r .... ' ..... ·. _-•• , • • -·.""\ ' ..... ·--; .... _l �II the ones that signed the list that indicated they would 2 wish to speak. 3 home at 10 after 8:00, now, do we? 4 Some said maybe. We don't all want to go I hope the setup here hasn't intimidated anyone. 5 This looks kind of official, but we would certainly invite 6 you to come up. 7 if there is anybody that's changed their mind about talking 8 --if you said no here, I don't care. We sincerely want to have your input. MR. GEORGE PRESTON: 9 So Come on up. My name is George Preston. 10 11 of residency, but not newcomer in the sense of being over 12 here and enjoying the place, and I have a very deep sense 13 of feeling towards the responsibility that we each have 14 ) I guess I'm a newcomer to this county, newcomer in the sense towards this community. 15 16 Club and have thought as Mr. Flannery thinks, we would still 17 have a double width wagon track through the canyon. 18 < u If our forefathers had been members of the Sierra would be totally cut off from any sort of civilization; 19 and as far as any economy, there would be none. 20 there is now. o We Less than z I/) LoI a: IL ~ I/) LoI ~ I have listened to five hours of meetings. 21 I o « z " 22 have listened to both sides, pro, con, all the way from 23 Alternative A to Alternative D. LoI IL With that in mind, I drove through the canyon 24 25 today. As I drove through, I convinced one person, and 23. �that was myself, that this road can be improved, it can 2 be widened, passing lanes can be made. All of this can 3 be done with the gentlemen that are here and available as 4 experts, without compromising the esthetic beauty of the 5 canyon, without compromising fish, wildlife, with hardly 6 any· compromise to the ecology, because we can do it. 7 looking at the alternatives, and driving through the canyon, 8 Alternative C category, improvements can be made in the 9 first lower portion. In The C category can be made in the 10 upper portion. 11 down into Garden City, significant improvements can be made. Two of the worst corners in the entire canyon .12 ) · 13 And, of course, from the top of the canyon can be eliminated. We all know what's happened on those 14 corners. We all know of the accidents. There is no reason 15 to maintain a ·hazard like that in which it affects me and 16 potentially you, because those that have gone before us 17 . on those corners, they're gone. Who is next in the future? 18 When the economy of Cache County was sorely in 19 need of a highway leading into Logan, so that Logan could 20 say, "We need that highway to boost the economy," it was 21 given to Logan. 22 road and those modifications, compatible with the ecology, 23 to boost this economy." Rich County is now saying: 24 Please give it to us. 25 MR. NUFFER: "We need that Is there anyone else here? Yes, sir. ) 24. �II MR. RUSS CURREL: My name is Russ Currel. As 2 3 I came together. 5 ... I do speak for myself today. 4 n -- I look over this group, I recognize nearly everyone here. in Logan, Cache County, when that statement was made. 6 do support the statement of the Chamber of Commerce. I did come over. Val and I was president of the Chamber of Commerce I I would like to make some comments of my own. 7 8 I do own property in Bear Lake and property in Cache Valley . 9 I was born in Bear Lake county, and I don't think there 10 11 My family, as we were talking about taking a posi t ·ion here-- 12 ) is anyone here that enjoys Logan Canyon anymore than I do. I have five children, and without exception, all five said, 13 "Dad, please don't take a position to destroy the canyon." And I said, "I think you know me better than 14 15 that." But one thing I do take a position on, and that 16 17 is the safety of the canyon. I don't know what you would 18 do to the canyon. 19 getting from here to Logan very much. 20 are a lot of things there that need to be done for the safety 21 of the canyon. II) N " en 1'1 <: u o I don't think you'd speed up the time But I do know there Z III 101 a: ... I think I would be about B plus position on the 22 23 map, where I think there are a lot of those things, B, that 24 need to be done. 25 C. Most of those things, and even some in And I really feel they can be done without really being 25. �a hazard to the ecology or to the wildlife. 2 I don't fish. Never fished in my life. But 3 I think there are ways that we can handle the river where 4 we're not going to be a detriment to that. I would hope that we all get together, and I 5 6 think the mayor over here stated it best. 7 together and work hard on this, I think we can overcome 8 the problems that are here and really accomplish what we 9 want to accomplish. Thank you. MR. OWEN WAHLSTROM: 10 If we all get My name is OWen Wahlstrom. 11 12 know how to express my feelings to you; but this winter 13 in the canyon, we were going through the canyon to Logan. 14 It was snowing so hard I had to stop and get the ice off 15 my windshield at Twin Bridges. 16 I watched three snow plows go across that bridge with their 17 blade jammed into the guardrail to miss a car coming the 18 other way. They were all three sliding. 19 ) I'm a resident here. feet between them. My family is from this area. I don't While we were stopped there, There wasn't six I definitely agree that the bridges have got 20 21 to be widened. 22 you'd call a modern day miracle. 23 wide body cars. 24 make it. 25 Somehow they missed the car. It was what One of those big full, And we didn't think they were going to If we don't do something, and if we go completely ) 26. �with the esthetics, are we going to make up a road like 2 is going through Glacier National Park, where all trucks 3 are prohibited and large motorhomes are prohibited? 4 It will eventually come to that if the traffic keeps up. I, too, enjoy the canyon; but I do think some 5 6 7 there are probably lawsuits against the State in that canyon . 8 We're going to pay one way or the other. 9 .., CII o .,. improvements have to be made. happening in there. I don't know. I imagine ~ a: o ... Accidents keep It's been stated here, it's a 10 11 - substandard road. are many areas in there where if somebody wants to raise . 12 problems for I'm not an attorney, but I'm sure there it can easily be done . anybody, I also rely on the economy over here very much. 13 14 I don't want this to be a two-bit tourist trap, but I think 15 we can accommodate more people than we're getting. 16 you. 17 18 < u MR. NUFFER: MR. PAUL WEBB: 19 o Thank Yes, sir. Can I just stand here? is like driving through Logan Canyon. The trip (Laughter.) Z \II 20 W a: I/.. ..: \II 21 w ~ o « I just had a few thoughts I want to say. taking any alternative-- 22 MR. NUFFER: 23 z " MR. WEBB: III IL By Could you give your name? Paul Webb. I am a resident here in 24 Garden City. By taking any alternative less than a major 25 resurfacing modification, we're only going to reduce the ) 27. �Il time between conflicts between people and also reduce the 2 time between disturbances of the environment. We must 3 remember at this point in time we consider the canyon a 4 beautiful place, where wildlife thrives and brightens our 5 lives. 6 was butchered, and it has recovered. 7 the butchery. 8 can be improved and provide transportation to people. 9 we're doing the job, let's do it right. But remember, at some time in the past the canyon And it's beautiful. 10 MR. NUFFER: 11 MR. BILL PETERSON: We are looking at With caution, the canyon While Yes, sir. Bill Peterson, Garden City. 12 13 20 years. 14 surveys and signs and studies go on in the canyon. 15 think it's time we get past the looking and the studying 16 ) I've been a resident of Garden City and the area for about and do something to improve the canyon. 17 For 15 of those 20 years I think there have been I'm in the real estate business. .1 really I have numerous 18 people coming through the canyon stopping in the office, 19 many of them upset. 20 21 22 23 24 25 "That's a beautiful canyon, but I would never drive over it again." I mean, I'm not kidding you. That's what a number of people say. It's dangerous. want to go over it. It's beautiful. But they don't I really think even the first section ) 28. �down towards Logan is out of date. i We've got you gentlemen 2 3 than your 1 to 2 percent you've predicted. 4 of major developments, at least 5 are major. 6 • o coming up here. Our growth rate is going to be much more every year. tw~ We have a number that will be here that And we have building permits. We're growing 7 I think if you go and improve to meet what you 8 had in the lower part of the canyon, as Paul said, you're 9 III wasting your time. III ~ a: o ... We should plan · now to have the facilities 10 for the future. 11 Canyon is not going to do us in 10 years from now. MR. NUFFER: 12 ) 13 That section in the first part of Logan Thank .you. Is there anyone else? Ye s, rna' am. MS. CATHY WEBB: 14 My name is Cathy Webb. I'd 15 16 view. 17 to and from Logan probably at least once a week. 18 < u like to make .some comments from a woman's standpoint of even more than that. 19 o z VI .... a: Everyone of us ladies - here in this community travels Maybe I'd like all of you executives and officials 20 that are in this room tonight to know that I have spoken 21 to each and everyone of you several times. 22 didn't get past Paul's ears. 23 And I've gone through that canyon a million times, and I've 24 remodeled it a dozen times. 25 ... to see what . would happen if somebody dug away some dirt However, it It didn't get past the car. I've checked out the mountains ) 29. �and some shrubs. I've put up fence along the dugway for 2 years, so that the rocks wouldn't bounce down on the road. 3 I just know I'm going to get hit by a boulder on the dugway 4 one of these years. I just know it. On top of the car. I've taken four little children, tiny little 5 6 babies to the doctors, the hospitals, the groceries. I 7 have spent probably a minimum of $500 a month, ·and that 8 probably is a minimum, over in Cache Valley. I appreciate the comments of the Chamber of 9 10 Commerce. We like to feel appreciated over here and the 11 fact that we do put a lot of money into Cache . Valley . . I would also like to make a comment that last 12 13 year in August I packed up my car, took my 15-year-old 14 daughter at 10 o'clock at night. 15 My husband had already left. 16 with just my daughter and me, 10 o'clock at night. .> We were moving to Logan. And I started out the journey I climbed up the summit. 17 I had a car behind 18 me. 19 to get in front of me. 20 to the point that I had to pass him again. 21 him. 22 tell, I had a carload of screwballs following me. 23 I let him pass through Tony Grove, or through Beaver, He slowed down. And then he continued to tail me. He slowed down So I passed As near as I could Needless to say I was scared to death by the 24 time I got to Logan, because, you see, we passed no other 25 cars on the way. There was no moon. It wasn't bright. ) 30. �') There were no reflectors. I couldn't tell if there was 2 a place for me to pullout on the road. 3 my tail. 4 on going. 5 But I couldn't tell. I wanted him off I had no choice but to keep At that point, I told my daughter, "Hand me a 6 7 GI o traveling through the canyon, put a man's hat on, it will 8 • .. baseball cap," because I had always read if you're a woman protect you. ~ I[ o a.. 9 We're driving down the road, and I am scared 10 11 this hat on, and we went that way through the rest of the 12 canyon with these guys tailing me, turning their lights 13 off, harassing me through the canyon, and I not being able 14 to get off the road to make them pass me, until we got onto 15 the new part of the road again. 16 bugger, you go ahead, and I'll find somebody, and I ' l l get 17 ) to death. "Hand me a hat." I tucked my hair up and put your number." And then I thought: "You 18 19 to the point, once we got to the turnoff, that he had to 20 pass. 21 < u And he had to pass me, because I slowed' down ' was my greeting into Cache Valley to be a resident there. o z \I) LII I[ IL. And that's the way we went on into Logan, and that ..: \I) LII ~ o « z " 22 LII Well, we lived there for nine months and then CL 23 24 25 we ended up moving back to Garden City. May I say to those of you that are here and representing the environment, you'll find no one that ) 31. �\ appreciat.e s the esthetic beauty of Cache Valley and of the 2 mountains more than those of us who choose .to live in them. 3 We talk about the drives. 4 single time we go through Logan, because every time you 5 go through Logan Canyon you see something different. 6 We talk about the beauty every Improving that road is not going to change what 7 we see when we go through that canyon. 8 to say. That's all I have 9 Oh, I do have one other comment. 10 who is in Logan, calls Logan Canyon a paved cow trail. 11 MR. NUFFER: Thank you. 12 MR. RAY ELLIOTT: My dentist, Anyone else? Yes. My name is Ray Elliott. I 13 know most of you here. Some of you may know us from being 14 here in the summer. 15 So I wanted to speak just a little bit concerning all of 16 the interests involved. I have interests here in Bear Lake. This seems to be quite a polarizing issue. 17 I '18 went to the meeting last night in Logan. The meeting was 19 heavily represented there last night by environmental 20 interes~s, 21 towards development of the road. 22 different motives, different personal interests, some of 23 them personal, some of them environmental, some of them 24 concerned with safety. 25 from people who have specific monetary concerns in the canyon and the interests seemed to be more slanted Everyone seems to have Some interests are monetary, either ) 32. �I, or on either side of the canyon, to see improvement made. 2 I feel that we really need to be responsible to 3 4 we need to be careful to protect the things that we all 7 ., to be made in the canyon. 6 flII improvement. 5 o the future, both for the environment and safety and feel are important. .... But in making those improvements, There is going to be increased traffic. 8 9 Improvements that are going to be made need If we want to see increased use here in Bear Lake, we need to 10 decide who we're trying to attract. 11 Lake is attracting tourists, we need to be careful. 12 we want the tourists to get through on a faster highway, 13 or do we want to attract people who are there to enjoy the 14 scenery? 15 If the economy of Bear There are gives and takes there. Do In trying to 16 attract more people, if they declare 17 route and list it in the Federal Registry, you may attract 18 more tourists; but in doing so, you're going to have to 19 accommodate more people in that canyon, and the roads are 20 going to have to be improved. 21 both ways. 22 th~ highway a scenic There are going to be trades If we decide over here--and I have interests 23 here that I need--I would like to see tourist trade increase, 24 but I'm not sure that faster roads or scenic highway, either 25 one, there's a question that exists there. Which is going . ) 33. �to be in the best interests of Rich County in attracting 2 3 tourists? We need to be careful that this type of forum 4 that we have in getting public opinion does not leave the 5 engineering firm, CH2M Hill, UDOT, with the impression that 6 what they have seen either in support of widening the road 7 or in support of saving the environment and doing nothing-- 8 they're going to be left with an impression there, and then 9 they're going to take that 10 info~mation home and decide what they will do with it and do what they will. 11 the two groups is because each group feels that one group 13 is trying to take advantage of the other group or that the 14 concerns of the environmentalists will be totally served by 15 whomever is going to make the decision, or the concerns 16 of improvements in the road are going to be served over 17 ) Now, some of the polarities that exist between 12 14. the environment. 18 I have a suggestion that I'm not sure what could 19 be done there to insure that both sides are served; and 20 I feel that there is a middle ground that could be achieved 21 without destroying the environment and without changing 22 the canyon, and still improving the road. 23 responsible to the improvements that need to be made. 24 25 . We have to be I mean, I've driven a pregnant wife at 2 o'clock in the morning over that highway from Bear Lake to Logan, ) 34. �with labor pains and two minutes apart, and I know the 2 anxiety that accompanies that. 3 So there are safety concerns that we need to 4 5 forum like this leaves people with a few notions that they 7 will go ba.ck and, . again, as I said, do what they will. 8 there could be a committee put together of interest groups 9 ., o ... same time, I really love and appreciate that canyon. 6 III be .concerned with, that we really need to address. that each have their own interests that could be used as At the A If ~ I[ o "- . 10 11 environmentalists, the Sierra Club may have a representative 12 at that meeting, the Rich Tourist Council should have a 13 representative on that advisory committee. 14 perhaps there should be a way to insure that everyone's 15 ) checks and balances for whatever is going to be done, the interest there is served, and I feel that they can be. 16 17 MR. NUFFER: 18 < u That's all I had to say. MR. LYNN HILLSMAN: I think that Thank you. Yes, sir. My name is Lynn Hillsman, 19 and I have one thing that's just a little bit different 20 than most people. 21 of others. 22 the middle of the road, and there are major problems with 23 the subgrade. 24 up the road just to even maintain it. 25 improvement and still try to maintain it? o Z \/I 101 I[ "- I drove that canyon today, like a bunch ...: \/I 101 ~ (; « z " a. 101 To my idea, there is water coming up through To redo this, you're going to have to tear So why not do some \ ) 35. �But with the subgrade and the drainage the way 2 it is, there's something drastic has to be done with that 3 road to keep it to where you can drive on it. 4 you're doing it, do it right. 5 That's all I have to say. 6 MR. NUFFER: 7 MR. DON HUFFNER: So while Yes, sir. I'm Don Huffner. I wasn't 8 going to say anything tonight, but Ray reminded me of 9 something that happened to me. I used to be on the Highway 10 Patrol. 11 in Logan Canyon, it was probably me that gave them to you. 12 In fact, 20 years ago if any of you got tickets Ray said that he has driven Logan Canyon with an expectant wife. 14 somebody else's expectant wife, and it's no easier when 15 it's somebody else's wife. 16 ) 13 trying to tell the father how to deliver that baby. 17 Well, I've driven Logan Canyon with It's hard to drive that canyon I've got some recommendations here, or at least 18 things, as I look at the presentation and look 19 a little more specific 20 maybe Alternative C was all right. 21 looked at it, and Alternative D, they have changed the road 22 just below Ricks Spring and cut out an area there that in 23 my opinion, my experience, it is quite a bad area. 24 made a lot of other improvements here, too. 25 like the difference between C and D is this cut just below On at the maps the first section I thought that But then the more I They But this looked ) 36. �1 , ) 1 Ricks Spring that eliminates an area where the banks are 2 very steep and in the winter time the sun never gets down 3 to the road--well, seldom gets down to the road--not because 4 of clouds, but because of the mountains shading it. 5 quite a dangerous area in my opinion. Now, Alternative C I believe would be fine other 6 7 That's than that. On the next section, on Section 2, I thought 8 ' 9 10 they would like to see the road brought right up to snuff, 11 put a brand new road in there, because in 15 or 20 years 12 ) Alternative B was satisfactory. NOW, some have said that we're going to need it, or maybe even sooner. 13 possible. That's But ' economically speaking, I don't know that-- 14 15 I'm afraid we're going to choke the horse if we try to feed 16 it that much and that we need to be realistic on our needs 17 now. 18 <: u We've got other areas, other routes of getting 19 in and out of the valley. 20 too, to develop those along with this. 21 summer people that have cabins here on the lake that come 22 from Salt Lake, well over half of them--well over half of 23 o I think we need to work on those, them--from the Salt Lake area come through Evanston already. Z III III It: IL 24 25 Already of the Now, as more people learn of the Evanston route, there will probably be more and more people come that way. ,. ) 37. �') And that's not all bad to have several accesses into our 2 area. The last section, again, there are some very 3 4 bad curves there, and I think that they need to be looked at. I think Alternative D would be the one that I 5 6 would recommend. It eliminates the bad curves without 7 realigning the road drastically, and I think we could get 8 along with that. Thank you. MR. NUFFER: 9 Is there anyone else here that would 10 care to testify? 11 want to that changed their mind? Now is your chance. Well, with that, do any of the UDOT people want 12 13 Anyone that came thinking they didn't to say anything in closing? MR. 'WESTON: 14 I was ready to go at 10 after 8: 00, 15 but since we've talked some more, let me make one thought 16 or two in conclusion. 17 through our previous meetings that Logan Canyon itself means 18 different things to different people. 19 all going to agree upon what Logan Canyon means to us. 20 think we've found out that it's a very sensitive area. I think 'we've found out tonight and I don't think we're I I think we already know that the Forest Service 21 22 desires to keep it a scenic highway, and I think that's 23 fine. 24 25 I think that can be done. I think we need to remember a few things, and I think I need to answer a question of Commissioner Brown's. ) 38. �I think it deserves an answer. That is, what's to be gained 2 3 study. I don't think we've lost anything by three times. 6 that this better be the last study before we do something 7 CIO And I've told you previously that this is my third 5 . asked. 4 o ... by an additional study? I think that's the question he in Logan Canyon . study~ng it But I do think that the time has come now l: II: I say that from the standpoint that we now have 8 o "- 9 -got some structures up there in the canyon that have got 10 to be repaired or replaced quite drastically. I can see 11 some problems if we don't repair those bridges; and if we 12 try to do it on the existing alignment, on the existing 13 bridge, we're going to have to build a route around those 14 bridges for the traffic to go through that may be more 15 detrimental to - the highway than some of the things we're 16 talking about. I just want to say this much, that we have got 17 18 19 do something on the bridges is quite obvious to most of 20 you here. 21 of our study. 22 Transportation is not flush 23 the Legislature recently passed a 5 cent gas tax increase, 24 the needs that we have, I've got to say in all honesty that 25 <: u to do something on the bridges. - The reason we've got to 5 cents more gas tax is a drop in the bucket to our needs. o z II) 101 II: ... What we do over and beyond that is the purpose But I do know this. The Department of with dollars. Even though ) 39. �We have to rely on the federal highway people 2 to help us fund primary road systems. Logan Canyon Highway, 3 Highway 89, is more than just a road for Cache County. 4 more than just a road for Rich County. 5 federal highway; and as long as we're going to have a primary 6 federal highway going through that canyon, we've got to 7 keep it up to certain standards. It's It's a primary 8 Now, if the time comes that there are enough 9 feelings that that shouldn't be a primary highway, then 10 I guess we'll address that at that time; but it presently 11 is, and we're required and obligated in our responsibility 12 to the highway system of the State of Utah' to do certain 13 things on that highway to make it reasonably safe and usable 14 for the traveling public. 15 to do it. 16 it's our judgment as a Department of Transportation, that 17 there will be no money spent up there, even on bridges, 18 until we complete an environmental impact study in depth, 19 like we're doing now, and there will be a chance to have 20 you come to a hearing on our draft environmental impact 21 study, which will be ready sometime this fall, hopefully; 22 and at that time you can make the decision, help us make 23 the decision, on what we're going to do with Logan Canyon. 24 But I do know that the study has got to be done. 25 We need federal highway dollars The federal highways, I can tell you now, and When I first came on the Commission, ·1 was the ) 40. �\ i first one to go to the rest of the Commissioners and say, 2 "Why are we spending half a million dollars up there to 3 study something we already know?" 4 statement as Commissioner Brown made. You know, the same 5 6 ., I since have become a little older and a little wiser, and I know that we've got to complete this document . 7 and consider every option and consider everybody's feelings 8 and examine every portion of it and now do anything in that 9 ell o canyon until we're satisfied that we're doing the right III ~ II: o ... 10 thing. 11 to release any money and Dave Baumgartner and the Forest 12 Service are not going to support us if we don't do the job 13 And I know the federal highway people are not going -and do it right. 14 Now, that's the reason for the study. You have an opportunity to give us input. You 15 16 consulting team up until April 6. 17 has the address you can mail those to, if you have things 18 < u will have written comments that can be written to our to say that you didn't say tonight. 19 if you want to get your name on the record, you send that 20 in to the people and express yourself. o You have - a handout that Even if it's repetitive, Z III W II: ... I don't think numbers are going to be things 21 22 that make the determination. I don't think numbers ever 23 was the determining decision-making process in any valid 24 decision. 25 good solid concrete suggestions on what you think we ought But we do want your input, and we want to have 41. �to do. Thank you. MR. NUFFER: 2 3 Jess, did you have a follow-up on that? MR. JESS ANDERSON: 4 I just have a question. Can 5 you do anything with the area around Logan Cave? 6 make that parking or something? 7 in a snowstorm in the middle of the night, and there's not 8 much room on that corner. That's what these experts are going MR. NUFFER: That's one of the areas we're going to tell us. 11 12 You come through there MR. WESTON: 9 10 Can you to take a good close look at. A VOICE: 13 Just on the time frame fot the 14 environmental impact study, how long does that need to 15 proceed? MR. NUFFER: 16 Well, if all things go reasonably 17 well, we hope to complete the draft environmental impact 18 statement this summer, which will give you the environmental 19 datq to accompany these alternatives that we have identified where. 21 One more question. 22 A VOICE: I'm a little uncomfortable with the 23 monologue type input. I feel a little better with the more 24 dialogue type input. 25 says something, another person says something, and it's What's been happening is one person ) 42. �tough for both parties to get together. What my question 2 is, ultimately who makes the decision, and how is that 3 decision going to be made on what is actually done in the 4 canyon? 5 6 '" III o 7 MR. NUFFER: Does Howard or Todd care to answer that question? MR. HOWARD RICHARDSON: This draft environmental N ~ II: 8 impact statement will contain an inventory of all of the 9 o "- resources and the values that all parties have identified 10 in the canyon; and a recommended design will be recommended 11 or proposed, considering all of those things; and where 12 impacts or problems are perceived to take place, mitigations 13 and recommendations will be supplied in the environmental 14 impact statement containing what will happen. 15 There will be a public hearing that will be held 16 17 < o on that proposal and on those recommendations and on the 18 U that will contain the comments of people who wish to comment proposed mitigation. 19 U. S. Forest Service and the Federal Highway Administration 20 will make a determination of whether the environmental issues 21 and safety issues have been properly addressed and whether 22 that represents a reasonable and proper and prudent solution 23 to the problem at hand. After that has been heard, then the Z VI 101 II: "- ..: VI 101 ~ o 0{ I!) Z 101 II. 24 25 So the agencies, the sponsoring agencies are the ones who will make the final decision. It will be made 43. �only after a tremendous amount of input, of which these 2 meetings last night and tonight are only a part of. MR. ELLIOTT: 3 Another question. Is there a 4 possibLlity of having a citizens' advisory to that decision? 5 Has that been done? MR. RICHARDSON: 6 Well, I don't think that's--it's 7 possible to have that done on an informal basis. 8 would be simply a measure to help structure and make sure 9 that the problems are identified and the concerns were 10 properly put into the environmental document. MR. ELLIOTT: 11 12 But that Could you take that into consideration? MR. RICHARDSON: 13 Yes, I'm sure that will be taken 14 into consideration. 15 that. 16 meeting for several months, there has been 12 to 15 meetings 17 by the interdisciplinary team. 18 of varied interests of the resources and the values in the 19 canyon. 20 place. 21 22 23 On the The team and I were thinking about interd~sciplinary , team that has now been That represents a composite So there already is a type of that thing taking Yes, there is. MR. ELLIOTT: Is there any way of getting a record of what transpires next? MR. RICHARDSON: Well, those minutes are public 24 information, and minutes have been kept of all of those 25 meetings, and CH2M Hill are the guardians of those things. ,) 44. �~) They manufacture them and make them and circulate them for 2 each of the meetings, so that everybody knows what was done 3 last time, and they are reviewed and approved and discussed. 4 And, yes, those things are not secret. 5 for everybody who wants to look at them. 6 III o 7 MR. NUFFER: 8 ., . MR. ELLIOTT: MR. DAVE BAUMGARTNER: 9 They are available Thank you. Dave Baumgartner. As a suggestion to us all--and I haven't talked to Howard nor to Stan nor the 10 CM2H folks about this, the original design of that 11 environmental study is unique, and it really didn't operate 12 like we had thought it was going to at . the beginning. 13 had invited some members of the environmental community 14 to sit on that, because they had the major concerns with 15 the program. We 16 17 o needs that legitimately ought to be done on the highway. 18 < u I think most people recognize that there were 'And our thought in the beginning was to bring in those people 19 who had adverse views to that and help us work through the 20 process, so that that would go a little bit smoother. Z 'II W II: ... ~ 'II W ~ 21 But it's changed a little bit in its organization. o 0( z " 22 I would suggest to us who were on that team that we do what 23 he suggests and invite a responsible member from either 24 this side of the hill or however we want to do that, in 25 order to provide that balance that not only he, but several W IL 45. �others have suggested. I think we ought to consider that. 2 That's more of a statement to these guys than the crowd, 3 but I think it's a legitimate thing to bring up. 4 MR. NUFFER: 5 (At 8:43 p.m., Wednesday, March 4, 1987, the . 6 7 Thank you. meeting ended.) -000- 8 9 10 11 12 ) 13 14 15 16 17 18 .1 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ) 46. �r - - - - - - - - - - - -- ------- - -..-_ . C L ! -~ r 'T' I 2 3 State of Utah county of Salt Lake 5 I, Ronald r . Llul.1.;;trd, 01 0 here!.. '.' certify that I ,un a certified shorthand reporter in ano [or the ~~t() te of Utal'lt 7 8 proceedings, and that tlLi : ; 9 correct record of said proceedinqs. 10 11 Dated a t of 12 ()~r~ Sal t Lr -· ll l~i cr..i.pt L.'1J:(~ C ity, ..i. :.~ ,l Lull, true, Utah, tlnd day 1986. (R~&.~..2__ 13 '~ '. !lon.:lld F . 14 IIubbilrd - 7.30 LTudCJ(~ J1.ui lc1in'J Salt L ~lk.C City, Utah (301) 355-1611 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ::-) L___ _ �. . .- ....' () LOGAN · CANYON STUDY - PUBLIC SeOPING MEETTNGS . 3« 1987 ~o§aD Utah 4, 1981 - Gar-en city, Ut~ March ~rch ) \~ /V2) �, I LOGAN·CANYON STUDY - PUBLIC SCOPING -MEETTNGS I March 3, 1987 - Logan, Utah March 4, 1987 - Garden City, Utah NAME REPRESENTING r/\~ t>-Av DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? j!cJ~ } r. I �LOGAN · CANYON STUDY - PUBLIC SCOPING . . - "\ 1 I ~ \ ....J . ~NGS March 3, 1987 - Logan, Utah March 4, 1987 - Garden ' City, Utah I ; NAME REPRESENTING DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? �•• I LOGAN · CANYON STUDY - PUBLIC SCOPING MEETINGS March 3, 1987 - Logan, Utah March 4, 19~7 - Garden City, Utah DO YOU WISH TO - ). � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. 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Checksum 372804673 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 29603450 Bytes Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Public scoping meeting for the Logan Canyon environmental study Description An account of the resource Transcript from the public scoping meeting for the Logan Canyon environmental study held at City Hall in Garden City, Utah on March 10, 1986 where several spoke and answered questions. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Hubbard, Ronald F. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Mattson, Otto Brown, Ken Johnson, Dee Negus, Barry Peterson, Val Nielson, Bryce Seeholtzer, Ted Stringham, Bryce Flannery, John Preston, George Currel, Russ Wahlstrom, Owen Webb, Cathy Elliot, Ray Hillsman, Lynn Huffner, Don Weston, Todd Anderson, Jess Richardson, Howard Baumgartner, David Subject The topic of the resource United States Highway 89 Logan Canyon (Utah)--History Roadside improvement--Utah--Logan Canyon Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1986-03-10 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Garden City (Utah) United States Rich County (Utah) Utah Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Sierra Club, Utah Chapter Archives, 1972-1986, COLL MSS 148 Series VIII Box 27 Folder 11 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. View the inventory for this collection at: <a href="http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv03390">http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv03390</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Libraries Photograph Curator, phone (435) 797-0890. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS148VIIIB27_Fd11_Page_1.pdf Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/35879ca4c8baffe03362f2eac3da7293.pdf 1eff64f0d7c823f37dd8eea6894b8f52 PDF Text Text AGENDA ( US 89 - LOGAN CANYON PUBLIC MEETING #1 Tuesday, September 23, 7:30 p.m. Logan City Hall Utah Department of Transportation CH2M HILL - Consulting Engineer 1. Welcome - Introduction of Participants 2. Project Background - Purpose of Meeting 3. Presentation of Transportation Needs Data and Findings a. Existing Roadway Conditions b. Safety c. Maintenance d. Traffic Characteristics e. Roadway Capacity f. Conclusions 4. Environmental Concerns - Preliminary Findings 5. Public Questions and Answers 6. Future Tasks and Public Involvement Opportunities �CHMHILL MEHORANDUM TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: October 1, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The eighth Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on September 22, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the UDOT District Office in Ogden. The next meeting will be held on October 6, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the UDOT District office. The agenda will be as follows: 1. 2• 3. ( 4. Review minutes of September 2 2 meeting. Review of Public Information meeting and comments received since the meeting. Review material prepared by Clark Ostergard describing the important visual considerations in the Canyon. Discuss possible public meeting in Garden City area. Future meeting schedule: October 6 October 20 November 3 November ]7 SLC-STAN/07 3 p.m. , 3 p.m. , 7 p.m. , 3 p.m. , District Office Brigham City Hall District Office District Office �CHMHlll MEMORANDUM ( TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: October 28, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The tenth Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on October 20, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the Brigham City Hall. Enclosed are the minutes for your review. The next meeting will be held on November 3, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the U.S. Forest Service's Logan Ranger District office in Logan, Utah. The agenda will be as follows: 1. Review minutes of October 20 meeting. 2. Report on study of alternatives to Logan Canyon for through traffic - , John Neil, UDOT. 3. Continue discussion of goals and objectives for component and alternative development. Criteria for design speed and typical section enclosed in draft Technical Memorandum. 4. Outline of criteria for development of slow-moving vehicle turnouts and climbing lanes. Criteria enclosed in draft Technical Memorandum. 5. Status report on development of alternate alignments from Bear Lake 'S ummit to Garden City. 6. Review presentation for the Graden City public information meeting, to be held at 7:30 p.m. November 3. 7. Catered dinner will be brought in at 5:30 p.m. to enable timely departure to Garden City at 6:00 p.m. Future meeting schedule: November 17 December 8 December 22 January 11 SLC-STAN/07 7 3 3 3 p.m., p.m., p.m., p.m., District Office District Office Brigham City Hall District Office �CHMHlll MEMORANDUM ( TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: November 12, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The eleventh Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on November 3, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the U.S. Forest Service Logan Ranger District Office in Logan, Utah. Enclosed are the minutes for your review. The next meeting will be held on November 17, 1986 at 7 p.m. at the UDOT District Office in Ogden, Utah. The agenda will be as follows: 1. 2. ( Review minutes of November 3 meeting. Discussion and action on alternatives to Logan Canyon for through traffic. Memorandum enclosed. 3. Discussion of issues and concerns resulting from the public involvement program. Draft Technical Memorandum enclosed. 4. Outline of schedule for completing the scoping process. 5. Review of inventory of existing roadside parking areas. 6. Areas within Canyon meeting criteria for climbing lanes. 7. Introduction of layouts of component for widening and improving the existing alignment from Right Fork to Ricks Spring. Future meeting schedule: December 8 December 22 January 11 January 25 SLC-STAN/07 3 3 3 7 p.m., p.m., p.m., p.m., District Office Brigham City Hall District Office District Office �INTERDISCIPLINARY TEAM MEETING December 8, 1986 ADDITIONAL DATA FOR AGENDA ITEMS AGENDA ITEM NO.: 2. Public Involvement - Transcript of public comments received at the Logan meeting on September 23 and the Garden City Meeting on November 3. Copies of written comments received to date since September 23. Copies of summaries of written and verbal comments. 4. Copies of revised "Landscape Management" for roadsides in Logan Canyon. SLC90/09 ( ( ) �CNMHlll MEMORANDUM TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: December 18, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The Thirteenth Interdisciplinary Team Meeting was held on December 8, 1986 at 3:00 p.m. at the UDOT District Office in Ogden, Utah. Enclosed are the minutes for your review. The next meeting will be held on December 22, 1986 at 3:00 p.m. at the Brigham City Hall, Brigham City, Utah. agenda will be as follows: The 1. Review minutes of December 8 meeting. ·2. Follow up discussion of visual impacts in the middle canyon 3. Fred LaBar presentation of the recreation plan. 4. Mark Hill presentation of a summary outline of acquatic resources. 5. Tom Haislip review schedule for completing the environmental technical memorandum. Future meeting schedule: . January 12 January 26 February 9 February 23 SLC91/d.1101 - 3:00 7:00 3:00 3:00 p.m., p.m., p.m., p.m., District Office District Office District Office Brigham City Hall �/ AGENDA - LOGAN CANYON STUDY INTERDISCIPLINARY STUDY TEAM MEETING NO. 3 - OGDEN, UTAH July 14, 1986 - 3:00 p.m. 1. Review minutes of June 23, meeting. a. Revised outline of role of Interdisciplinary Team b. Revised outline of Public Involvement Plan 2. Discussion of traffic counting and forecasting. 3. Outline of transportation needs analysis. SLC77/59a ( �l MEMORANDUM TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: July 24, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The third interdisciplinary Team Meeting was held on July 14, 1986 at 3:00 p.m. at the UDOT District office in Ogden. Enclosed are minutes of the meeting for your review. The next meeting will be held on July 28, at 3:00 p.m. also at the UDOT District office. The agenda will be as follows: Review minutes of July 14, meeting. ,/ Traffic count data at various permanent stations. Presentation of proposed traffic forecasts. Discussion of highway capacity and level of service determination. Review of accident data. Update on status of Base Map preparation. Future Meeting Schedule: - August 11 August 25 September 8 September 22 SLC77/59a 7:00 3:00 3:00 7:00 p.m. p.m. p.m. p.m. District District District District Office office office office �MEMORANDUM ( TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: August 7, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The fourth Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on July 28, 1986, at 3 p.m. at the UDOT District office in Ogden. Enclosed are minutes of the meeting for your review. Also enclosed is a draft traffic forecast technical memorandum. The next meeting will be held on August 11, 1986, at 7 p.m., also at the UDOT District office. The agenda will be as follows: Review minutes of July 28 meeting Preview of draft traffic forecast technical memorandum Review of manual traffic counts taken on July 19 and August 2 ~~ Review of draft maintenance technical memorandum ~ Review of accident data Future meeting schedule: August 25 September 8 September 22 October 6 BOC4/085 SLC82/d.201 3 p.m. , 3 p.m. , 7 p.m. , 3 p. m. , District District District District office office office office �MEMORANDUM ( TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: August 21, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The fifth Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on August 11, 1986 at 7 p.m. at the UDOT District office in Ogden. The next meeting will be held on August 25, 1986, at 3 p.m., also at the UDOT District office. The agenda will be as follows: 1. 2. ( Review minutes of August 11 meeting Continued discussion of draft traffic forecast technical memorandum 3. Review of manual traffic counts 4. Review of existing roadway design features Future meeting schedule: September 8 September 22 October 6 October 20 SLC82/d.201 3 7 3 3 p.m., p.m., p.m., p.m., District District District Disctict office office office Office �MEMORANDUM TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: September 4, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The Sixth Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on August 25, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the UDOT District office in Ogden. The next meeting will be held on September 8, 1986, at 3 p.m., at the Brigham City Hall, 20 North Main Street. The agenda will be as follows: 1. 2. ( Review minutes of August 25 meeting Review of traffic accident data 3. Set date for first. general public information meeting. Review of presentation format and discussion of issues Future meeting schedule: September 22 October 6 October 20 November 3 SLC82/d.201 7 p.m. , 3 p.m. , 3 p.m. , 7 p.m. , District District Disctict District Office Office Office Office �MEMORANDUM ( TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: November 26, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The Twelfth Interdisciplinary Team Meeting was held on November 17, 1986 at 7:00 p.m. at the UDOT District Office in Ogden, Utah. Enclosed are the minutes for your review. The next meeting will be held on December 8, 1986 at 3:00 p.m. at the UDOT District Office in Ogden, Utah. The agenda will be as follows: 1. Review minutes of November 17 meeting. 2. Continued discussion of issues and concerns resulting from the public involvement program. 3. Discussion of schedule for completing the scoping process. 4. Update of visual classification by Clark Ostergaard, USFS. 5. Introduction of layouts of component for widening and improving the existing alignment from Ricks Spring to Garden City. NOTE: Preview at 2:30 p.m. of a computer simulation technique for depicting topographic modifications by John Ellsworth, Landscape Architect at USU. All those interested are invited to attend. Future meeting schedule: December 22 January 12 January 26 February 9 BOC3/106 SLC91/d.ll0l - 3:00 3:00 7:00 3:00 p.m., p.m., p.m., p.m., Brigham City Hall District Office District Office District Office �OfMHlll MEMORANDUM TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DATE: September 17, 1986 SUBJECT: Logan Canyon Environmental Study PROJECT: B21163.DO The seventh Interdisciplinary Team meeting was held on September 8, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the Brigham City Hall in Brigham City, Utah. Enclosed are the meeting minutes for your review. Also enclosed are draft technical memorandums on traffic characteristics and traffic capacity. Please review these memorandums prior to the meeting because we will have a lot of material to cover. The next meeting will be held on September 22, 1986 at 3 p.m. at the UDOT District office. The agenda will be · as follows: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Review minutes of September 8 meeting. Discussion of traffic characteristics memorandum. Discussion of traffic capacity memorandum. Review and discussion of presentation for the first public information meeting scheduled for September 23, 1986 at 7:30 p.m. at the Logan City Hall. Discuss possible public information meeting in Garden City. Future meeting schedule: October 6 October 20 November 3 November 17 SLC-STAN/07 3 p.m. , District Office 3 p.m. , Brigham City Hall 3 p.m. , District Office 3 p.m. , District Office � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/19">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/19</a> Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. To order photocopies, scans, or prints of this item for fair use purposes, please see Utah State University's Reproduction Order Form at: <a href="https://library.usu.edu/specol/using/copies.php">https://library.usu.edu/specol/using/copies.php</a> Digital Publisher List the name of the entity that digitized and published this item online. Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library Date Digital Record the date the item was digitized. 2013 Conversion Specs Scanned by Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library using Epson Expression 10000 scanner, at 800 dpi. Archival file is PDF (800 dpi), display file is JPEG2000. Checksum 370649004 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 5982366 Bytes Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Agenda and memorandums, July - December 1986 Description An account of the resource Ten memorandum cover pages from Stan Nuffer summarizing the minutes from the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th Interdisciplinary Team meetings. Also three agendas for public meeting No. 1 in Logan City Hall, additional data for agenda, and agenda meeting No. 3 in Ogden, Utah. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Nuffer, Stanton S. Subject The topic of the resource Logan Canyon (Utah) Logan Canyon (Utah)--History Logan Canyon Study Roads Improvement--Utah--Logan Canyon United States Highway 89 Utah Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available CH2M Hill (Firm : Salt Lake) Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1986-09-23 1986-09-22 1986-10-20 1986-11-03 1986-12-08 1986-07-14 1986-07-28 1986-08-11 1986-08-25 1986-11-17 1986-09-08 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Ogden (Utah) Logan (Utah) Utah United States Cache County (Utah) Weber County (Utah) Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Sierra Club, Utah Chapter Archives, 1972-1986, COLL MSS 148 Series VIII Box 27 Folder 2 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. View the inventory for this collection at: <a href="http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv03390">http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv03390</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Libraries Photograph Curator, phone (435) 797-0890. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS148VIIIB27_Fd2_Page_18.pdf Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/427a20f2239b956265550f2ab74f2c44.pdf 4dfd848d38115792fe33006f6e5810b4 PDF Text Text ClfMHlll MEMORANDUM TO: Interdisciplinary Team FROM: Stan Nuffer DA'rE: July 22, 1987 RE: Spot Improvements PROJECT: B21163.FO Attached is a listing of the potential spot improvements that have been identified through the scoping process. These will be discussed at the upcoming ID Team Meeting on July 31 (Agenda Item No.4). Each of the spot improvements will be discussed and evaluated for positive, negative, or insignificant impacts in each of the following areas. Transportation Level of Service Travel Speeds Emergency Services Right-of-Way Estimated Cost Energy Socioeconomics Relocation/Community Disruption Community Facilities and Services Safety Land Use Recreation Air Quality Noise Visual Quality Water Quality Hydrology Natural Resources Threatened or Endangered Species Vegetation and Wildlife Fish and Aquatic Habitat Historic and Archaeologic Resources BOT600/031 �Table 2-4 POTEN'l'IAL SPOT IMPROVEMENTS--MIDDLE CANYON Spot Improvement Mile Post Potential Action Existing Condition Bridge/Structure Replacement a Burnt Bridge Cottonwood Cree k 385.7 386.5 98.5' long, 21.5' width a 15.0 long, 25.5' width Lower Twin Bridge Upper Twin Bridge Rick's Spring 387.7 388.4 389 . 9 180.0' long, 21.5' width a ll5.0 long, 21.5' width 16.0' long, 22.0' width Above Right Fork 384.0 Exst crv--25°, 229' radius Logan Cove 386.3 Exst crv--26°, 220' radius Cottonwood Above Cottonwood 386.5 386.6 Limited parking Exst crv--23° , 249' radius Above Cottonwood 387.1 Exst crv--23°, 249' radius Below Lower Twin Br. 387.7 Exst crv- -23°, 249 ' radius Top of Dugway 388.2 Exst crv--19°, 302 ' radius Above Upper 'I'win Br. 388.7 Exst crv- - 200, 286 ' radius Rick's Spring 389.9 Parking both sides highway a New 28' New 28' river New 28' New 28' New 28' river wide bridge on existing alignment wide struct. --Slight shift toward wide bridge--New alignment upstream wide bridge--New alignment downstream wide structure--Slight shift toward Roadway Alignment Climbing Lan e (dugway) Slow Vehi c le - 388.3 22 ' pavement width Flatten curve to 15°, 382' radius, 30' lateral cut Flatten curve to 15°, 382' radius, 30' lateral cut Shift roadway up to 12' toward river Flatten curve to 19°, 302' radius, 30' lateral cut Flatten curve to 15°, 382' radius, 35' lateral cut Flatten in connection with bridge realignment Flatten curve to 12°, 477' radius, 90 ' lateral cut Flatten curve to 15°, 302' radius , 40' lateral cut Shift rdway up to 15' twrd river to consolidate parking . 34' pavement width , 3,500 ' long climbing lane 384.8 - 384.95 387.85 - 388.0 390.65 - 390.8 22' pavement width 22 ' pavement width 22' pavement width 34' pavement width, 400' long, 195' tapers 34' pavement width, 400' long , 195' tapers 34' pavement width, 400 ' long, 195 ' tap e rs 387.6 Turnout Above Wood Camp Abo ve Lo we r Twin Brb Above Ri c k's Spring �Table 2-4 (continued) POTENTIAL SPOrr IMPROVEMENTS--HIDDLE CANYON Spot Improvement Mile Post Existing Condition Potential Action Intersection Improvements Right Fork Road 383.5 Wood Campground 384.6 Temple Fork Road 389.15 Recreational Parking 386.5 Skewed intersection Provide 100' taper, improve angle Standard Approach 275' and 375' deceleration lanes, ISO' and 250' tapers Skewed intersection Provide 200' taper improve approach grade Picnic area--160', north improve parking on north side of highway of . highway with alignment shift Recreational Parking Cottonwood/Logan Cave 386.5 Ricks Spring 389.9 Small Drainage Structures Signing/Marking 383.5-391. 6 383.5 - 391.6 aExisting width is distance between parapets. Picnic Area--160', north of highway; Park on both Improve parking on north side of highway with alignment shift toward river Parking on both sides highway Improve parking on north side of highway with alignment shift toward river 50± years old Replace as warranted Current UDOT/MUTCD Stdandard According to MUTCD Clear distance reduced by 1.0± by recent installation of steel guard rail. bwould not be considered if dugway climbing lane is selected. BOT597/029 �Table 2-5 POTENTIAL SPOT IMPROVEMENTS--UPPER CANYON Spot Improvement Mile Post Existing Condition Potential Action Bridge/Structure Replacement Tony Grove Creek Red Banks Bridge Beaver Creek Bridge Beaver Creek Street Amazon Hollow Street 393.8 394.6 396.9 397.5 399.3 a 15' long , 25.5 ' width a 45 ' long, 24.0' width a 32 ' long , 25.5 ' width a 15 ' long 2 5.5' width a 6' long 25.5' width New New New New New 28 ' 28' 28' 28' 28' wide wide wide wide wide structure bridge on bridge on structure structure on existing alignment existing alingment existing alignment on existing alignment on existing alignment Roadway Alignment Below north sink 402.1 - 402.3 Below middle sink 403.9 - 404.1 Existing curve 10°, 573 ' radius Existing curve 10°, 573' ra d ius Flatten curve to 5.5°, 1 , 042 ' radius Flatten curve to 5.5°, 1,042' radius Climbing Lanes Above Red Banks Above Beaver Mountain Below Summit 394.5 - 396.5 400.0 - 402.1 403.4 - 404.7 22' pavement width 22' pavement width 22 ' pavement width 34' pavement width 8,500' long climbing lane 34' pavement width 11 , 000' long climbing lane 34' pavement width 6,800' long climbing lane 15° skew " T " intersection 90° " T " intersection Poorly defined intersection 35° skew "T" intersection Provide Provide Provide Provide lalles Intersection Improvements Tony Grove Road Red Banks Campground Franklin Basin R~ad Beaver Mountain Road 393.5 394.8 397.0 399.7 deceleration lanes and tapers deceleration lanes and tapers deceleration lanes and tapers 90° intersection with deceleration Small Drainage Structures 391.6 - 404.75 50 ± years old Replace as warranted Signing/Markings 391. 6 - 404. 75 Current UDOT/ MUTCD standard According to M UTCD aExisting width is distance between parapets . BOT597/030 Clear distance reduced by 1.0 ' ± by recent installation of steel guardrails. �Table 2-6 POTENTIAL SPOT IMPROVEMENTS--RICH COUNTY Spot Improvement Mile Post Existing Condition Potential Action Roadway Alignment Existing curve 27.3°, 209' radius Existing curve 28.5°, 201' radius Flatten curve--15°, 382' radius 407.4 - 408.0 409.6 - 410.6 22' pavement width 22' pavement width 34' pavement width, 3,000' long climbing lane 34' pavement width, 5,300' long climbing lane 406.0 - 406.1 22' pavement width 34' pavement width, 400' long, 195' tapers Above subdivision 407.85 Below subdivision 409.55 Flatten curve--15°, 382' radius Climbing Lanes Above subdivision Below subdivision Slow Vehicle Turnout Below overlook Intersection Improvements Sunrise Compound Scenic Overlook 405.6 405.7 20° skew "T" intersection 2 skewed approaches Subdivision Access 408.8 10° skew "T" intersection Subdivision Access 409.0 Poorly defined "T" intersection Provide deceleration lanes and tapers Define approaches and provide driv e way and parking markings Provide 90° intersection with decelera tion lanes Provide 90 0 intersection with deceleration lanes Small Drainage Structures 404.75 - 411. 78 50 ± yeras old Replace as warranted Signing/Markings 404.75 - 411. 78 Current UDOT/MUTCD standards According to MUTCD Unstable, wet slide area Grading and udnerdrain installation Slide Area 407.2 - 407.3 BOT597/031 j � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. 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Checksum 765381464 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 310498 Bytes Transcription Any written text transcribed from a sound MOTION MADE BEFORE THE LOGAN MUNICIPAL COUNCIL 5 January 1989 I move that this Council go on record in support of the Utah Department of Transportation(UDOT)and their consultants, and encourage them in their efforts to evaluate and upgrade all Logan City access and egress highways. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Motion to support UDOT upgrade of highways, January 5, 1989 Description An account of the resource Motion made before the Logan Municipal Council to support the Utah Department of Transportation in evaluating and upgrading Logan City highways, January 5, 1989. Subject The topic of the resource Logan (Utah)--History Logan Canyon (Utah)--History Public lands--Utah--Logan Canyon--History Roadside improvement--Utah--Logan Canyon United States Highway 89 Logan Canyon (Utah) Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Motions Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1989-01-05 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan (Cache County, Utah, United States) Logan Canyon (Cache County, Utah, United States) Utah United States United States Highway 89 Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives COLL MSS 133, Box 45, Folder 8 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. 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