1 50 4 https://highway89.org/files/original/8e54cde9a729b8bcbee7bbf269c14697.pdf 78fd32fdb85006ad28f271c80d121feb PDF Text Text LOGAN CANYON MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING November 3, 1986 ( Attendance " : Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL Cliff Forsgren,CH2M HILL Fred LaBar, USFS Clark Ostergarrd, USFS Dave Baumgartner, USFS Gale Larson, Valley Engineering Duncan Silver, FHWA John Neil, UDOT Lynn Zollinger, UDOT Jim Naegle, UDOT Steve Flint, Audubon Assoc. Jack Spence, Sierra Club Rudy Lukez, Sierra Club Wendell Anderson - Visitor Willis Tingey - Visitor Item 1 - Review of Minutes ( Stan Nuffer lead the discussion on the minutes of the last team meeting. The only item brought up related to the Safety Tech memo. Jack Spence suggested that it would be better to state that some locations along the highway had higher than average accident rates rather than higher than expected accident rates, since there was really no way of determining expected accident rates. Jack also had a suggestion on Table 10. If the level of confidence was going to be included as part of the table, there should be some explanation of what it meant. Steve Flint asked that the number of fatalities be included on Table 8, along with the number of fatal accidents. There was no other discussion on the minutes of the previous meeting. Item 2 - Discussion of Alternate Routes (to Logan Canyon) John Neil reported on his study of alternate routes from Logan to Bear Lake. He had invited Mr. Wendell Anderson and Mr. Willis Tingey to report on a study that they had made on the possibility of a route through Blacksmith Fork Canyon. The study was conducted at the request of former Governor Clyde. It was pointed out that a route from Logan to Sage Junction through Blacksmith Fork Canyon was 8 to 10 miles shorter and the maximum elevation was 500 feet lower than the existing route through Logan Canyon. Both Mr. Anderson and Mr. Tingey felt that Logan Canyon would not be able to handle all of the traffic that it would be asked to handle and that an alternate route should be considered. 1 �John Neil reported that UDOT planners had told him that the simplest way to develop an alternate route would be to develop some additional recreational areas that needed the access. The construction cost of an alternate route was estimated at $1.5 to $2.0 million per mile. Lynn Zollinger agreed that Logan Canyon will not be able to carryall of the traffic that will ultimately travel between Bear Lake and the Wasatch Front. However it has not been determined how much more, if any, traffic Logan Canyon can handle before the impacts become unacceptable. Lynn suggested that there not be any more consideration of alternate routes, at least until it has been determined that there will be need for more capacity than Logan Canyon can carry. Jack Spence agreed with Lynn, there did not seem to be the need for additional capacity at the present and that study of alternate routes was not warranted. If it was determined that there was major action of the same scale required in Logan Canyon then the examination of alternate routes would be warranted. Other discussion about the Blacksmith Fork alternate involved possible environmental problems with the River, Hardware Ranch and the lack of room in Left Hand Fork. It was decided that this discussion would be summarized for the record in a memo and action to be taken at the next meeting. ( Item 3 - Discussion of Goals and Objectives Tech Memo Stan Nuffer lead the discussion of the overall goals and objectives that had been presented in a draft technical memorandum at the last ID team meeting. The first topic · was the minimum speed that the "baseline" alternative would be designed for. There was some question about a 35 mph mini, mum in the lower part of the canyon. Fred LaBar said that a 40 mph minimum speed had been considered before in that section and had been found to be acceptable. Jim Naegle asked if the modified standard section had been used in the previous study. Some thought that it had but none were certain. Duncan Silver suggested that copies of the 1979 proposal and analysis be distributed to members of the ID team so that the team had an opportunity to review the past work and decide whether the past study was still valid. This approach would be better than just rubber stamping a study that most on the team were not familiar with. It was also suggested that the AASHTO recommended minimums be included in the table on page 3 of the memo. Rudy Lukes asked where there would be minimum speeds greater than 40 mgh. Stan Nuffer said that in some areas the posted speed is currently 55 mph and that he thought we could maintain that speed in those areas. 2 �( There was also some discussion on what "minimum" meant. Some expressed concern that the minimum set now would be absolute regardless of other consequences. Stan explained that in order to establish roadway features (curves, etc.) minimum speeds needed to be set. If the impacts of designing a roadway for one "minimum" are unacceptable then a new "minimum" speed would be required. Minimum speeds are not meant to be fixed at the beginning of the study and then not redefined if needed. The technical memo illustrated standard sections and modified standard sections for 40 mph. It was suggested that sections for 35 and 55 mph also be included. Steve Flint expressed concern that delineators would make parking areas unuseable. Duncan Silver said that the need for parking should be evaluated and planned for where needed. Rudy Lukes wondered if the dugway was really a good place to consider a climbing lane. Duncan Silver said that there should be an inventory of the needs for climbing lanes before looking at possible locations. To conduct the inventory the team should: 1. Establish criteria for the selection of possible locations. 2. Identify those sections which may meet the criteria. 3. Identify the possible environmental constraints at those sites. Slow vehicle turnouts were also discussed. Lynn Zollinger indicated that the turnouts need to be placed where those using the turnouts will have a good view of the roadway in order to safely get out of and back into the traffic. The final item on the goals and objectives memo was a suggestion to add a section on the need for recreational parking. Fred LaBar said that the Forest Service could help identify where recreational parking was needed. Item 4 - Alternate Alignments from the Summit to Garden City Stan Nuffer said that the Archeologist was preparing an alternate alignments survey. 3 �- Item 5 - Preview of Garden City Public Meeting Presentation ( Cliff Forsgren previewed the slide presentation which was to be used to introduce the project to those who attended the meeting in Garden City. SLC-STN/03 4 � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/7">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/7</a> Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. 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Title A name given to the resource Minutes from November 3, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting Description An account of the resource Minutes from November 3, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting. Review of minutes, discussion of alternate routes to Logan Canyon, discussion of goals and objectives tech memo, alternate alignments from the summit to Garden City, and a preview of Garden City public meeting presentation. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource LaBar, Fred Ostergard, Clark Baumgartner, Dave Larson, Gale Silver, Duncan Neil, John Zollinger, Lynn Naegle, Jim Flint, Steve Spence, Jack Lukez, Rudy Anderson, Wendell Tingey, Willis Forsgren, Clifford Nuffer, Stanton S. Subject The topic of the resource United States Highway 89 Roads--Design and construction Logan Canyon Study Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1986-11-03 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan Canyon (Utah) Utah United States Cache County (Utah) Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Sierra Club, Utah Chapter Archives, 1972-1986, COLL MSS 148 Series VIII Box 27 Folder 2 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. 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Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS148VIIIB27_Fd2_Page_12.pdf Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/851e91620b9c3bbf3d51ce77f805d748.pdf 40d1e76dd05e8c4b86582fa13941bcf2 PDF Text Text LOGAN CANYON ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING December 8, 1986 ( Attendance: Cliff Forsgren, CH2M HILL Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL Fred LaBar, USFS Clark Ostergaard, USFS Mark Shaw, USFS Gale Larson, Valley Engineering Duncan Silver, FHWA John Neil, UDOT Lynn Zollinger, UDOT Jim Naegle, UDOT Rudy Lukez, Sierra Club Jack Spence, Sierra Club Item I - Review of Minutes Stan Nuffer conducted a revi~w of the minutes of the previous meeting. Items that were not included in the minutes and should have been were: o Item 5. The Forest Service is going to provide the team members with a copy of the _ parking and recreation master plan . . o Item 6. The first time "LOS" is used, it should ' be proceeded by Level of __ Service. o Item 6. The last sentence was changed to more accurately reflect the fact that much of the Canyon will not accommodate a climbing lane. ( In addition to the corrections, Duncan Silver clarified his request .for a status report on the Technical Memorandums. What he had in mind was a "scorecard" which simply listed the subject and status (draft, received, approved, final). Jack Spence also asked for some clarification from the Forest Service on their desire to reduce parking in some areas of the Canyon. Fred LaBar indicated that there was a need to maintain adequate parking for fishing and other recreational purposes, but some types of parking, (hunters for example) need to be better controlled. Item 2 - Discussion of Issues and Concerns Copies of written comments received to date were distributed as were copies of the transcripts of the two public meetings. Cliff Forsgren explained the way the comments are being tabulated. There is some difficulty in tabulating the verbal 1 �( comments received at the public meetings because not all speakers identified themselves. It is possible that some persons, who were not identified, spoke up at more than one time and those views were tabulated on each occasion. Another difficulty is the best way to handle questions from people who did not express a view. The 1.0. Team members were asked to review the transcripts and tabulations and make any suggestions they might have. Item 3 - Discussion of Schedule for Completion of the Scoping Process Stan Nuffer explained that the scoping requirements are different for the Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) than for an Environmental Assessment (EA). There is a lengthy notification process for an EIS. Stan suggested that, if the I.D. Team felt that an EIS would ultimately be required, the EIS scoping process should be started. Duncan Silver did not feel that there was enough environmental information available to make any kind of preliminary determination on the need for an EIS. Clark Ostergaard indicated that he would like to know if there was critical spawning habitat in the River that might be impacted by some alternatives. Jack Spence pointed out that in maintaining the Forest Service visual standards, the· improvements that were possible may not be significant enough to require an EIS. After considerable discussion it was decided that the environmental inventories describing the affected environment need to be reviewed in a manner similar to the previous, techn~cal ,~~morandums. ~fter there memorandums have been reviewed, a determination of the appropriate scoping process could be made. During the discussion, Duncan Silver also indicated that tFHWA would probably review the final document (EA of EIS) as if it were as EIS. Jim Naegle said that information would be helpful to UDOT because it appeared that there would be 'a . lengthy review period regardless of the type of final report. Item 4 - Update of Final Visual Classification Clark Ostergaard presented some updated information on visual classifications in the Canyon. He brought his latest mapping effort that showed the visual classifications between Right Fork and Ricks Springs. Duncan Silver asked if the visual retention criteria allowed for "upgrades" in one area to offset "downgrades" in another. For example, if as a result of the roadway improvements, a portion of road that had a classification of 2 was raised to 3, would it be possible at another location to allow a 5 before construction to be a 4 after. Clark was not sure how to address that and would have an answer for the next meeting. 2 �( Item 5 - Layouts for Component Widening and Alignment Improv.ement from Ricks Springs to Garden City Stan Nuffer reviewed the plan and profile of the widening and alignment improvement component from Ricks Springs to Garden City. Much of this component has a climbing lane. Lynn Zollinger said that if a climbing lane were to be constructed, intersections would also require special attention. NOTE: Prior to the beginning of the meeting John Ellsworth from Utah State University made a presentation of a computer simulation technique for depicting topographic modifications. SLC-STN/03 3 � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. 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Checksum 1780284587 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 1806274 Bytes Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Minutes from December 8, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting Description An account of the resource Minutes from December 8, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting. Review of minutes, discussion of issues and concerns, discussion of schedule for completion of the scoping process, update of final visual classification, and layouts for component widening and alignment improvement from Ricks Springs to Garden City. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource LaBar, Fred Ostergard, Clark Shaw, Mark Larson, Gale Silver, Duncan Neil, John Zollinger, Lynn Naegle, Jim Lukez, Rudy Spence, Jack Ellsworth, John Forsgren, Clifford Nuffer, Stanton S. Subject The topic of the resource United States Highway 89 Roadside Improvement--Utah--Logan Canyon Traffic engineering Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1986-12-08 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan Canyon (Utah) Utah United States Cache County (Utah) Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Sierra Club, Utah Chapter Archives, 1972-1986, COLL MSS 148 Series VIII Box 27 Folder 2 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. 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Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS148VIIIB27_Fd2_Page_14.pdf Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/b6b02807fd9c8b69467ca7c15d49c978.pdf 5e1973b65d6dae49dbd6e6c9d8d76b24 PDF Text Text LOGAN CANYON ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING November 17, 1986 ( Attendance: Cliff Forsgren, CH2M HILL Fred LaBar, USFS Clark Ostergarrd, USFS Gale Larson, Valley Engineering Duncan Silver, FHWA John Neil, UDOT Lynn Zollinger, UDOT Jim Naegle, UDOT Steve Flint, Audubon Assoc. Item 1 - Review of Minutes Two typographical errors were identified and Mark Shaw pointed out that he was in attendance at the last meeting, but was left off of the attendance list for the minutes. Item 2 - Alternate Route Technical Memo John Neil led the discussion of this item. There was some confusion about how the alternatives were defined. The text did not agree with the figure. It was determined that the most logical alternative was a combination of Alternate A and Alternate B. If an alternate route through Blacksmith Fork Canyon were to be considered, a route from Hyrum to Laketown through Hardware Ranch and Cottonwood Canyon would appear to have the most promise. It was agreed that the study of alternate routes should be postponed until the fu~l transportation potential of Logan Canyon (consistent with environmental constraints) was developed. John Neil made the motion to accept the memo, with the alterations made in the meeting, and its recommendations. Gale Larson seconded the motion and the voting was unanimous. John will modify the memo to reflect the teams comments. Item 3 - Public Involvement Summary Memorandum Cliff Forsgren led the discussion of the memo which had been prepared to summarize the public involvement program to date. Ducan Silver suggested that the verbal comments received during public meetings be summarized also. Stan Nuffer asked what sort of documentation the Forest Service would need in order to be satisfied that there had been adequate public participation. Fred LaBar said that the results of the scoping meetings would be required before the Forest Service 1 �( could do much to evaluate the progress of a public participation program. Clark Ostergarrd suggested that there be some provision in the memo to identify those comments directed towards preserving threatened and endangered species and maintaining the River. Duncan Silver pointed out that there were not a lot of differences in some of the column headings, for example the two columns dealing with traffic flow ("Flow is Problem" and "Improve Flow") and the two columns dealing with safety. He also suggested showing the total number of responses in each column. Item 4 - Public Involvement/Scoping Meetings Duncan Silver asked for a status report on the technical memorandums which have been prepared to date. The status report should indicate if they have been finaled and approved. This report will be prepared for the next meeting. John Neil asked if a notice of intent was required for a scoping meeting. If a notice of intent is required, it should be prepared as soon as possible if a meeting is to be held in early January. Stan will report to the team at the next meeting on what the legal requirements are for notification of a scoping meeting. Jim Naegle suggested holding the information sheet on "Issues and Concerns" until after the scoping meetings. Steve Flint pointed out some items that needed attention on the fact sheet that had already been mailed. Table 1 needed some clarification on how averages were determined during periods when the counter was not in service and Table 2 had a mislabled footnote. Steve was also concerned that some people would not understand that a level of service D or E was not for low or even average flow conditions, but represented some percentage of time when flows were above the projected average. More explanation of this concept will be included in the next fact sheet. Item 5 - Review of Existing Roadside Parking Stan Nuffer presented an inventory of existing roadside parking areas. The parking areas were identified by milepost and included both planned parking and "\vide spots" which appeared to have been used for parking. This list of parking areas was compiled in the summer and mayor may not represent winter parking patterns. Fred LaBar said that the Forest Service has an inventory of winter parking areas which he will provide to the team members. 2 �( Clark Ostergarrd said that it would be important to know whether the parking areas were near the recreational feature and which side of the road, relative to the River, they were on. There are also areas that the Forest Service considers problem areas and would just as soon not have parking nearby. When alternates are developed, the information on location of existing parking and need for planned parking will be used to define the alternates. ITEM 5 - Areas Meeting Criteria For Climbing Lanes Stan Nuffer presented the results of an analysis of the need for climbing lanes in the Canyon. AASHTO standards were used as the evaluation criteria. If AASHTO standards are met, there would be a climbing lane the entire length of the Canyon. There was some discussion on the improvement in LOS that might be expected with the placement of new climbing lanes. Lynn Zollinger asked if there was anything in the standards that addresseed the distance between the lanes. Jim Naegle indicated that he thought that was dictated by the conditions at the particular site. ( Duncan Silver pointed out that climbing lanes are used to improve the LOS and minimize speed reduction on upgrades. If a climbing lane were constructed, the LOS would be raised to C in that particular stretch of road. However, when the end of the lane was reached, the LOS would go back to D or E. It does not appear that the capacity problem can be solved for the entire Canyon and that minimizing the speed reduction where possible should be the priority. Stan will prepare a speed profile for the Canyon. It was concluded that the team members do not believe that LOS C can be attained through the entire Canyon. If it were possible to construct a climbing lane everywhere the climbing lane criteria were met, LOS C would be possible, however there are places where a third lane is unacceptable. ITEM 7 - Introduction of Layout of Roadway Widening and Alignment Improvement Component Stan Nuffer discussed the widening and straightening component that will eventually be used, along with other components, to define alternatives. Lynn Zollinger asked if the requirements for vertical sight distance had been checked. Stan indicated that it was underway. SLC-STN/03 3 � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Local URL The URL of the local directory containing all assets of the website <a href="http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/30">http://digital.lib.usu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/highway89/id/30</a> Purchasing Information Describe or link to information about purchasing copies of this item. 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Title A name given to the resource Minutes from November 17, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting Description An account of the resource Minutes from November 17, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting. Review of minutes, alternate route technical memo, public involvement summary memorandum, public involvement/scoping meeting, review of existing roadside parking, areas meeting critera for climbing lanes, and introduction of layout of roadway widening and alignment improvement component. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource LaBar, Fred Ostergard, Clark Larson, Gale Silver, Duncan Neil, John Zollinger, Lynn Naegle, Jim Flint, Steve Forsgren, Clifford Subject The topic of the resource United States Highway 89 Roadside improvement--Utah--Logan Canyon Roads--Design and construction Logan Canyon Study Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1986-11-17 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan Canyon (Utah) Utah United States Cache County (Utah) Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Sierra Club, Utah Chapter Archives, 1972-1986, COLL MSS 148 Series VIII Box 27 Folder 2 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. 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Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS148VIIIB27_Fd2_Page_13.pdf Highway 89; https://highway89.org/files/original/915af361a8c48ff09aa639eb706c566e.pdf 1de2ef4eaf6e9e963be28c17bf74447e PDF Text Text LOGAN CANYON MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING October 20, 1986 Attendance: Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL Cliff Forsgren,CH2M HILL Fred LaBar, USFS Gale Larson, Valley Engineering Duncan Silver, FHWA John Neil, UDOT Lynn Zollinger, UDOT Rudy Lukez, Sierra Club Al Stilley, Northern Engineering Item 1 - Review of Minutes Stan Nuffer led the discussion of the minutes of the previous ID team meeting. Rudy Lukez referred to the questions on the 1930's traffic data that had been discussed during the last ID team meeting. Rudy said that his interest in the data was curiosity only and he did not think that it would be of any value in the present work. ( Duncan Silver asked for some clarification of the visual criteria. He also felt that there should be some discussion on how the criteria , were developed and used. Clark Ostergaard, who prepared the information on visual criteria, was not present and the question was deferred until the next meeting. Rudy Lukez asked Fred LaBar if the Forest Service wanted to have more camping spaces in the Canyon? Fred said that there is a proposed group camping site in the Beaver Creek area. The camp site will hold between 200 and 300 campers. If the money was available, the site would be constructed as soon as they could get someone on site to build it. Fred also said that the Beaver Mountain Ski Area had plans to increase their camping sites. Lynn Zollinger asked if there was information available on the expected increase in camping and skiing. Fred said that he would get the information for Lynn. Duncan Silver asked if the increase in skiing would impact the DHV. Since skiing occurs during the low traffic volume period, there would be no impact on the DHV. There was also some discussion of the possibility of electric power reaching some private land in Stump Hollow and Utah State University's plans to expand some University facilities in the Canyon. 1 �Item 2 - Discussion of Safety Analysis Technical Memo ( The Safety Analysis Technical Memo was discussed. Duncan Silver asked if it would be necessary to look at individual sites if the entire road was brought up to standard. Cliff Forsgren answered that in most cases it would probably not be necessary to look at individual sites'. Duncan then suggested that individual sites be given a detailed examination only if spot improvements were considered in a given area. Item 3 - Study Goals and Objectives Stan Nuffer introduced the subject and led the discussion. A handout listing goals and objectives for component and alternative development was distributed. This included illustrations of existing, standard and modified standard cross sections. An outline of possible alternate components was also distributed. Duncan Silver was not certain how the environmental constraints would fit into the development of alternates. It was pointed out that the visual criteria was nearly completed and the environmental constraints would be developed concurrently with the component and alternative development. ( There was a lot of discussion on how alternates should be developed and what the overall goal should be. It was pointed out that if significant improvements were to be constructed, the goal would be to achieve a level of service C for the year 2010, realizing that it would probably not be possible in every case. Duncan Silver suggested that a "standard" roadway be designed, with LOS C throughout the Canyon. Where that was not environmentally possible, alternates could be developed to improve the road as much as possible without damaging the environment. Stan Nuffer suggested that the "modified standard" which was used in the lower part of the canyon be used to prepare a • "baseline" alternate. Duncan Silver pointed out that the modified standard did not allow the drainage and other maintenance features needed to protect the road base. Lynn Zollinger said that UDOT would accept the modified standard in order to maintain continuity along the roadway. Rudy Lukez made a motion that CH2M HILL develop a baseline alternate using the modified standard. Duncan Silver wanted to be certain that UDOT understood that using a modified standard meant sacrificing maintenance standards which might impact the road. He also said that the decision to use a modified standard as the baseline must be well documented. Dismissing highway standards without adequately addressing them can be challenged just as easily as dismissing environmental problems without adequate study. 2 �( There was also some discussion of the design speed. Stan Nuffer suggested a minimum design speed of 40 mph except in the first 7 or 8 miles where Fred LaBar said the Forest Service has already evaluated a 40 mph speed limit and found it unacceptable. It was finally determined that a modified standard section, with a design speed of between 35 and .40 mph, depending upon conditions within the Canyon, be used as the baseline alternate. Item 4 - Discussion of Geotechnical Investigations Al Stilley, from Northern Engineering and Testing, gave a report on the geologic mapping and the drilling program which was just getting underway on the alternative alignments from Bear Lake Summit to Garden City. Areas along the existing alignment where improvements could be made will also be investigated. Item 5 - Alternate Routes to Logan Canyon John Neil reported that he had been given the assignment to look at alternate routes to Logan Canyon. John said that he was just beginning his study. Rudy Lukez suggested that John contact a Mr. Wendall Anderson in Logan. Mr. Anderson is apparently familiar with some previous studies investigating a route through Blacksmith Fork Canyon ( The next meeting will be held at the Ranger District office in Logan at 3:00 p.m., prior to the public meeting in Garden City at 7:00 p.m. SLC-STN/03 3 � Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. 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Checksum 1272711171 File Size Size of the file in bytes. 2030189 Bytes Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Minutes from October 20, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting Description An account of the resource Minutes from October 20, 1986 Interdisciplinary Team meeting. Review of minutes, discussion of satety analysis technical memo, study of goals and objectives, discussion of geotechnical investigations, and alternate routes to Logan Canyon. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource LaBar, Fred Larson, Gale Silver, Duncan Neil, John Zollinger, Lynn Lukez, Rudy Stilley, Al Forsgren, Clifford Nuffer, Stanton S. Subject The topic of the resource United States Highway 89 Traffic engineering Logan Canyon Study Medium The material or physical carrier of the resource. Administrative records Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1986-10-22 Spatial Coverage Spatial characteristics of the resource. Logan Canyon (Utah) Utah United States Cache County (Utah) Temporal Coverage Temporal characteristics of the resource. 1980-1989 20th century Language A language of the resource eng Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library, Special Collections and Archives, Sierra Club, Utah Chapter Archives, 1972-1986, COLL MSS 148 Series VIII Box 27 Folder 2 Is Referenced By A related resource that references, cites, or otherwise points to the described resource. View the inventory for this collection at: <a href="http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv03390">http://uda-db.orbiscascade.org/findaid/ark:/80444/xv03390</a> Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource Reproduction for publication, exhibition, web display or commercial use is only permissible with the consent of the USU Libraries Photograph Curator, phone (435) 797-0890. Is Part Of A related resource in which the described resource is physically or logically included. Highway 89 Digital Collections Type The nature or genre of the resource Text Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource application/pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context MSS148VIIIB27_Fd2_Page_11.pdf Highway 89;