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                    <text>LOGAN CANYON
MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
August 11, 1986
Attendance:
Gale Larson, Valley Engineering
Jack Spence, Cache Group Sierra Club
Steve Flint, Bridgerland Audobon Society
Rudy Lukez, Cache Group Sierra Club
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Todd Weston, UDOT
John Neil, UDOT
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Lynn Zollinger, UDOT
Howard Richardson, UDOT
Fred Labar, USFS
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
Cliff Forsgren, CH2M HILL

Item 1 - Review of Minutes
A new name was added to the mailing list:
Randy Nielsen, Utah Wildlife Federation
160 Layton Drive
Salt Lake City, Utah 84115
(draft copy of the study only)
Item i-Review of Draft Traffic Tech Memo
The draft of the traffic forecast technical memorandum was
discussed.
Those committee members who had received the
memo had not had sufficient time to thoroughly review the
information it contained so the discussion was fairly
general.
Jack Spence thought that all of the data points needed to be
plotted and that the standard deviation and correlation coefficient should be shown also. Duncan Silver asked about
the design hour volume (DHV) and the directional split of
the traffic.
If the DHV and directional split are to be addressed in the capacity/level of service analysis, it should
be stated in this technical memorandum so that readers would
know where to find that information. Duncan also suggested
plotting the 100 highest hour volumes to see if 30th highest
hour (which is presently being used by UDOT), is the best
one to use as the basis for the DHV. Written comments on
the draft memorandum were requested by the next meeting.

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Todd Weston asked if it would be possible to get the information out sooner so that team members had a chance to
review it.
Item 3 - Review of Manual Traffic Counts
Gale Larson reported on the manual traffic counts taken on
July 19 and August 2. Summaries of the counts were given to
team members for their review.
Item 4 - Review of Maintenance Information

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Cliff Forsgren presented a summary of the evaluation of the
maintenance in the Canyon. The largest maintenance related
problem in the Canyon is snow removal. Portions of the Canyon are narrow with steep walls and the river is adjacent to
the road. The roadway in those areas has no shoulder and
there is nowhere to store or place the snow. Present practice is to plow all of the snow to one side of the road and
into the river. This procedure requires plows to move snow
across the traffic lanes. There was some discussion about
the desirability of this practice. Duncan Silver said that
there should be two criteria used in evaluating these procedures; 1) how is the public served and 2) how safe is the
procedure. Howard Richardson told a bit about the procedures and about the District's "bare road" snow removal
policy. Jack Spence asked how many times per year snowplows
would be moving snow across traffic lanes. The number will
vary depending upon the number of snow storms. Sometimes a
snow blower will be used to keep the road clear also. Snow
plow operators consider the present practice unsafe. Howard
Richardson invited any team members who would be interested
in a first hand evaluation to come and ride on one of the
plows this winter. Jack Spence asked how many accidents
have been caused by this procedure? It was not known if
there had been any. The options for alleviating the snow
removal problems would be to construct wider shoulders.
Flooding of the road was also discussed. Finding and disposing of suitable berm material is the biggest problem associated with protecting the road during high runoff. Fred
LaBar said that anchor ice above Ricks Springs had been responsible for flooding a number of years ago and that anchor
ice is a continuing problem in the river. Todd Weston asked
if plowing snow into the river could contribute to the buildup of anchor ice. Fred did not know for sure but thought
that it might.

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Item % - Review of Accident Data
John Neil reported that the Safety Section had not released
the accident analysis runs yet. Jack Spence indicated that
the accident data needed to be analyzed for as many years as

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�possible if
Silver said
that number
severity of

it was to be a meaningful evaluation. Duncan
that a goal should be statistical reliance and
of accidents was not as important as the
accidents.

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MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
August 25, 1986
Attendance:
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Fred LaBar, USFS
Steve Flint, Audobon Society
Jack Spence, Sierra Club
Cliff Forsgren, CH2M HILL
Gale Larson, Valley Engineering
John Neil, UDOT
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Lynn Zollinger, UDOT
Rudy Lukez, Cache Group Sierra Club
Howard Richardson, UDOT
Todd Weston, UDOT
Item 1 - Review of Minutes
Duncan Silver suggested that there be no more discussion on
roadway maintenance and that the tech memo be written so
that the team could go on to other items. Lynn Zollinger
indicated that the material placed along the river was not
bladed into the river but rather bladed to the side to
establish a roadway shoulder.
There was no other discussion on the minutes.
Item 2 - Draft Traffic Forecast Technical Memorandum
Steve Flint presented written comments on the draft memorandum and a copy was presented to each team member present.
Jack Spence indicated that he had tried several methods to
, try and establish a trend using annual and non-summer ADT's
and found that the scatter of the points was too great to
draw any conclusions. From a statistical standpoint a correlation was not found.
However, given the data available,
he could not recommend an approach which would be any better
than those described in the memo.
Duncan Silver felt that the methodology used was adequate
and that the written comments received should be incorporated
into the memo and this portion of the study concluded. There
was agreement on use of the 2 percent compounded growth for
making traffic projections.

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There was some discussion on how and when the design hour
volume would be e?tablished. Cliff Forsgren explained that
it was planned to select the design hour volume as part of
the capacity evaluation. The 100 highest hour volumes for

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�several of the past years are being plotted and will be available _ by the next meeting. -- The design hour volume will be
determined at that time.
Item 3 - Review of Manual Traffic Counts
Stan Nuffer reviewed the manual traffic count data.
The
manual counts have been completed and the data will now be
reduced.
Duncan Silver asked how a traffic profile would be
developed through the Canyon. Stan explained that the data
from the permanent station and the manual counts would be
correlated to establish a profile and directional split
through the Canyon. Stan pointed out that the hourly directional split appears to follow an urban distribution.
Item 4 - Review of Existing Roadway Features
Stan Nuffer distributed illustrations of typical road crosssections at mile posts through the Canyon and explained that
this information would be used to establish capacity and
level of service.
The discussion focused primarily on the design speed and how
and when it would be established.
Stan Nuffer indicated
that it would be desirable to keep the speed as uniform as
possible through the Canyon, but that may not be possible.
It was explained that the design speed is usually a function
of lane width and horizontal and vertical alignment.
Lynn Zollinger asked when the alternate routes from the Summit
to Garden C~ty would be considered.- Stan Nuffer explained
that it would occur during the alternative development task
which was yet to come. The 1 inch = 500 feet mapping will
not be available until mid September.
General Discussion
Jack Spence expressed some concern ab6ut whether or not
there would be enough information available to hold the
first public involvement meeting in early September.
It was
decided that since the first meeting had not been officially
scheduled to wait until the information was available to
schedule the public involvement meeting.
The next ID Team meeting will held in Brigham City.
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MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
January 27, 1987

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Attendance:
Sheldon Barker, CH2M HILL
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
Torn Haislip, CH2M HILL
Fred LaBar, USFS
Mark Shaw, USFS
Clark Ostergaard, USFS
Gale Larson, Valley Engineering
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Lynn Zollinger, UDOT
Howard Richardson, UDOT
Steve Flint, Audobon Assoc.
Bill Helm,
Item 1 - Review of Minutes
There were no cornnlents on the minutes of the previous meeting.

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Steve Flint expressed concern over the traffic forecast and
felt that an exponential forecast is not statistically
supportable from the traffic data for the Logan Canyon
stations shown in the technical memorandum. He was also
concerned that level of service projections based on that
growth rate would be misleading. He suggested a time series
analysis and using data as far back as available.
Stan
Nuffer reviewed the methods and assumptions used when the
technical memorandum was presented and accepted by the
I.D. Team in August 1986.
In the original analysis, we had
looked at a number of areas to forecast growth including
traffic data for a number of highways including stations on
U.S. 89 outside of the Canyon. Also data from regional
economic and local land use forecasting was used, which
forecast a growth rate in the 2 percent range. All of these
sources of data were used to arrive at the proposed rate.
Concern has been expressed that the 2 percent rate was too
low when compared against projections made by UDOT in the
past. After considerable discussion, a motion was passed
with one negative vote to retain at 2 percent (1.95)
experimental growth rate.
Stan agreed to look at what
effect differences in the projected ADT would have in
capacity determinations.
Steve also suggested that Section 2 be broken into two subsections, for capacity analysis which will be considered.
The assumption for one percent buses in the traffic needs to
be supported by data or dropped. Lynn Zollinger suggested
we check with Idaho and Wyoming on what projections they are
using.
1

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Duncan Silver asked what process will be used in determining
visual impacts, and if there are any rules or guidelines
that can be followed.
Clark Qstergaard ·said that the · existing analysis shows what is there and what should be preserv~d.
Each area will have to be handled on a case-by-case basis
for each of the alternatives. Mitigation measures may be
possible in some areas.
Due to the length of discussion on the above items, agenda
items 2 and 3 were passed over.
Items 2 and 3
Time was not available to review in the meeting.
bers encouraged to read the material.

Team mem-

Item 4 - Continued Discussion of Alternatives
Stan distributed a revised copy of the component and alternative development matrix showing the elimination of some
alternates and modification of components in other.
After
considerable discussion the following alternates were agreed
upon:
Middle Canyon

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Alt
Alt
Alt
Alt

1
2

3

4

No build
Spot improvements
Widen along existing alignment
Widen and. improve align to 40 mph with
advising 35 mph design where necessary

Upper Canyon
Alt 1
Alt 2
Alt 4

No build
Spot improvements
Widen and improve existing alignment to
60 mph with lower advisory design speed
where necessary

Rich County
Alt 1
Alt 2
Alt 4
Alt 6

No build
Spot improvements
Widen and improve existing alignment to
40 mph with lower advisory design speed
where necessary
New north alignment with 40 mph basic
but look at 50 mph if possible

Spot improvements should be defined by location and improvement.

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2

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Fred LaBar was skeptical that a uniform 40 mph design in the
middle Canyon would ever be acceptable to the Forest
Service.
SLC-STN/03i

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                    <text>LOGAN CANYON
Minutes of ID Team Meeting
July 28, 1986
Attendance:
Clark Ostergaard - USFS
Fred LaBar - USFS
Todd Weston - UDOT
Stan Nuffer - CH2M HILL
John D'Amico - CH2M HILL
Cliff Forsgren - CH2M HILL
Bill Helm - Unattached
Rudy Lukez - Sierra Club
Howard Richardson - UDOT
John Neil - UDOT
ITEM 1 - REVIEW OF MINUTES
The minutes were reviewed.
There was some confusion about
the sources of additional names for the mailing list which
were listed in the minutes.
It was noted that Fred LaBar
and Bill Helm had mailed names and not turned them in at the
last meeting.
There was no other discussion on the minutes.
ITEM 2 - TFAFFIC COUNT DATA
The sources of traffic data were discussed.
Permanent
stations on US 89-91 at Webster Junction, on US 89 at Card
Guard Station in Logan Canyon (later moved to Garden City),
and on US 89 north of Garden City are being used in the
preparation of the traffic forecast.
ITEM 3 - PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED TPAFFIC FORECAST
A past trends based forecast had been prepared using a least
squares best fit linear function.
This approach produced an
annual increase in ADT which was less than one percent, a
rate which was felt to be low. The Utah State, Office of
Planning and Budget was prepared its forecast of economic
and population growth through the year 2010.
The overall
rate of population increase for northern Utah was approximately 2 percent.
If traffic in Logan Canyon were to increase at the same rate as the population, the summer ADT in
Logan Canyon would reach approximately 6,000 vehicles per
day in 2,010. Supporting data for this forecast is available
and will be presented at the next ID Team (Team) meeting.
There was also some Qlscussion on the traffic classification
counts.
The summer counts will begin on July 29, 1987. The
counts will include a classification for recreational vehicles
and record turning movements.

�ITEM 4 - DISCUSSION OF HIGHWAY CAPACITY AND LEVEL OF SERVICE
DETERMINATION
The roadway will be evaluated on the basis of the level of
service which is possible at a given traffic volume.
The
Transportation Research Board describes a procedure for establishing levels of service (A through E) for rural roads.
Copies of portions of the procedure description were distributed to team members to help them become familiar with
the level of service concept. There was some discussion on
which level of service would be planned for in the Canyon.
UDOT would like to plan for a "C" level, but the actual level
of service used will be determined by the Team.
ITEM 5 - REVIEW OF ACCIDENT DATA
The accident data for 6 years (1980 - 1985) has been
tabulated using a UDOT computer program.
The UDOT program
was used because the program performs the types of analysis
required for roadways and the accident data base was already
on the UDOT computer. The computer runs had only recently
been completed and there had not been sufficient time to
review the results.
Hopefully this will be completed by the
next meeting.
ITEM 6 - UPDATE ON STATUS OF BASE MAP PREPARATION

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An example of the base maps was shown to the
of the set will be available, when they have
to Team members who wish to have one.
Clark
requested a set to get started on the visual

Team. Copies
been completed,
Ostergaard
survey.

MISCELLANEOUS
The approved forest plan has a section on Logan Canyon which
may be of · interest to Team members.
Clark Ostergaard will
bring a number of copies of that section to the next meeting.

SLC81/11

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                    <text>LOGAN CANYON
Minutes of ID Team Meeting
July 28, 1986
Attendance:
Clark Ostergaard - USFS
Fred LaBar - USFS
Todd Weston - UDOT
Stan Nuffer - CH2M HILL
John D'Amico - CH2M HILL
Cliff Forsgren - CH2M HILL
Bill Helm - Unattached
Rudy Lukez - Sierra Club
Howard Richardson - UDOT
John Neil - UDOT
ITEM 1 - REVIEW OF MINUTES
The minutes were reviewed. There was some confusion about
the sources of additional names for the mailing list which
were listed in the minutes.
It was noted that Fred LaBar
and Bill Helm had mailed names and not turned them in at the
last meeting.
There was no other discussion on the minutes.
ITEM 2 - TFAFFIC COUNT DATA

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The sources of traffic data were discussed. Permanent
stations on US 89-91 at Webster Junction, on US 89 at Card
Guard Station in Logan Canyon (later moved to Garden City),
and on US 89 north of Garden City are being used in the
preparation of the traffic forecast.
ITEM 3 - PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED TRAFFIC FORECAST
A past trends based forecast had been prepared using a least
squares best fit linear function.
This approach produced an
annual increase in ADT which was less than one percent, a
rate which was felt to be low.
The Utah State, Office of
Planning and Budget was prepared its forecast of economic
and population growth through the year 2010. The overall
rate of population increase for northern Utah was approximately 2 percent.
If traffic in Logan Canyon were to increase at the same rate as the population, the summer ADT in
Logan Canyon would reach approximately 6,000 vehicles per
day in 2,010. Supporting data for this forecast is available
and will be presented at the next ID Team (Team) meeting.
There was also some discussion on the traffic classification
counts. The summer counts will begin on July 29, 1987. The
counts will include a classification for recreational vehicles
and record turning movements.

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ITEM 4 - DISCUSSION OF HIGHWAY CAPACITY AND LEVEL OF SERVICE
DETERMINATION
The roadway will be evaluated on the basis of the level of
service which is possible at a given traffic volume. The
Transportation Research Board describes a procedure for establishing levels of service (A through E) for rural roads.
Copies of portions of the procedure description were distributed to team members to help them become familiar with
the level of service concept. There was some discussion on
which level of service would be planned for in the Canyon.
UDOT would like to plan for a "C" level, but the actual level
of service used will be determined by the Team.
ITEM 5 - REVIEW OF ACCIDENT DATA
The accident data for 6 years (1980 - 1985) has been
tabulated using a UDOT computer program. The UDOT program
was used because the program performs the types of analysis
required for roadways and the accident data base was already
on the UDOT computer.
The computer runs had only recently
been completed and there had not been sufficient time to
review the results.
Hopefully this will be completed by the
next meeting.
ITEM 6 - UPDATE ON STATUS OF BASE MAP PREPARATION
An example of the base maps was shown to the
of the set will be available, when they have
to Team members who wish to have one. Clark
requested a set to get started on the visual

Team. Copies
been completed,
Ostergaard
survey.

MISCELLANEOUS
The approved forest plan has a section on Logan Canyon which
t may be of interest to Team members.
Clark Ostergaard will
bring a number of copies of that section to the next meeting.

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                    <text>LOGAN .CANYON ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY
MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
March 9, 1987
Attendance:
Gale Larson - Valley Engineering
Clark Ostergarrd, USFS
John Neil, UDOT
Larry England, USFWS
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Cliff Forsgren, CH2M HILL
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
Fred LaBar, USFS
Lynn Zollinger, UDOT
Steve Flint, Audobon Society
Jack Spence, Sierra Club
Howard Richardson, UDOT
ITEM 1 - REVIEW OF MINUTES
There was only one correction to the minutes of the previous \
meeting.
Jack Spence had pointed out that a linear model of 1 0
the past trends traffic projection might be preferable to an
exponential model because the standard deviation of the extrapolation was better in the linear model, not the r2 value as
reported.
ITEM 2 - JOHN L. ENGLAND, U. S. FTSH AND vlILDLIFE ' SERVICE
COMMENTS
John L. England (Larry) discussed the ~laguire Primrose and
the FWS interest in Logan Canyon.
In summary his comments
inpluded:
o

The latest status report on the Maguire Primrose
prepared by the Utah Native Plant Society is
probably as good a source of current information
as there is presently available.

o

The FWS has requested to be a cooperating agency
in this study.

o

The Maguire Primrose exists only in the lower end
of Logan Canyon, from Wood Camp to the mouth of
the Canyon and it is currently on the "threatened"
species list. A threatened species receives the
same protection, under law, as does an endangered
species.

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It is possible that some of the alternatives could
impact one or more known populations.

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It will be necessary to prepare a biological assessment for FWS review.

o

The Maguire Primrose is apparently sensitive to
temperature increases and soil type.
Some types
of improvements could alter cold air drainage
pattern or remove trees that presently provide
shelter.

o

The only population of Maguire Primrose the FWS is
concerned about (based upon present alternatives)
is near Wood Camp.

o

The basic alternative descriptions include a turnout near Wood Camp. Larry indicated that it might
be better to consider some widening at that point
and eliminate the turnout in order to keep the
traffic moving and away from a sensitive
population.

o

He would recommend preserving as much vegetation
as possible.

Steve Flint asked about two other species that had been
listed in a letter to CH2M HILL. Larry indicated that there
were two species presently under review in the Canyon.
Stan Nuffer asked if there were guidlines for preparing biological assessments. Larry named some people who had prepared these assessments. They were Stanley Welsh, a botany
professor at BYU and Leila Shultz, the Intermountain
Herbarium Curator.
ITEM 3 - DISCUSS RESULTS OF SCOPING MEETINGS
Stan asked members of the ID Team to give their impressions
of the scoping meetings that were held on March 3 and 4.
o

Duncan Silver felt that after the comment period
there should be a "roundtable" meeting with government agencies. He did not feel that those representing agencies gave all of the input that they
could or should. Overall Duncan did not feel that
there were any new issues or alternatives brought
out.

o

Lynn Zollinger did not feel that there were any
new issues brought out, but he would like to review
a copy of the transcript to be sure.
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a

Jim Naegle feit that there were some alternatives
brought out during the meetings but felt that they
were probably covered in the general alternative
descriptions.

o

Howard Richardson wondered if there was some value
in one comment about getting a "true cross-section"
of opinion from area citizens. After some discussion about the value (and purpose of) polls, it
was decided that the purpose of scoping meetings
were not to "take a vote" but to be sure the full
range of issues and possible alternatives were
addressed in the study. Those who are interested
will generally make their views known.

a

Fred LaBar did not think that there were any new
alternatives brought up in the meetings.
However,
he did pOlnt out that alternative routes had been
brought up in two of the meetings and that a
scientific survey (opinion) should be addressed in
the EIS. Fred also asked if it was true that it
is the law in Utah that slow moving vehicles with
traffic behind them must pull off. Duncan Silver
said that it is now the law in Utah and that he is
, o'n a committee wi th UDOT that is working on a
system to provide better advance warning of
passing lanes and turnouts.
There should be some
information available in time to include in the
report.

'0

Clark Ostergarrd pointed out that the Citizens for
the Preservation of Logan Canyon (CPLC) had presented eight specific recommendations for spot
improvements and requested that they be given
consideration in the study. The eight recommendationsappear to be included in the general
list of spot improvements already identified.
Steve Flint felt that it was important that people
understand that each spot improvement is to be
considered on its own merits and that it is not an
"all or nothing" alternative.
If this is the
approach, the CPLC recommendations would be
considered along with other spot improvements and
the best would be included in the final "spot
improvement" alternative.
Clark also pointed out that some people had suggested that the highway be planned and designed as
a "scenic highway".
There was some discussion
about standards for scenic highways. Jack Spence
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asked if there is a separate standard for scenic
highways. Duncan Silver indicated that there were
none.
"Standards" for a given scenic road have
more or less evolved and generally just address
the local situation. Using National Park Service
standards was also discussed.
Duncan Silver pointed out that truck routes have
been designated throughout the US. This was mandated by Congress because of the number of states
~
that had placed limitations on through roads, that -C ~~~)r~eJ
was adversely attecting interstate commerce. US-89
through Logan Canyon has apparently been designated /~ I
as a truck route. Continued use of the Canyon by ---- ~
truck traffic should be addressed in the study.
0
o

Jim Naegle pointed out that a "standard" for Logan
Canyon will have to be one that will fit the conditions and still allow the traffic to flow as
smoothly as possible.

o

Lynn Zollinger said that any "standard" less than
the modified one may not give enough added
capacity to the roadway to make it worthwhile.
Any proposed "standard" for the Canyon should be
evaluated on its ability to improve the flow of
traffic as well as its impact on the environment.
Lynn also asked if anyone was anticipating an
increase in traffic because of the scenic highway
designation.
Stan pointed out that other states
are being contacted in an effort to determine
what, if any, impact a scenic highway designation
might have on traffic volumes.
Lynn also pointed out that UDOT has been
approached by the local cattleman's association
about the possibility of fencing the road in the
area where cattle range.
There is concern about
the number of animals killed on the road. A
fencing project would require both Forest Service
and private participation.

o

Jack Spence indicated that some hunters had expressed concern to him that an increase in speed
might also increase the number of deer killed on
the road.
Howard Richardson said that the experience of UDOT has been that, besides speed, it is
important to keep the vegetation back away from
the road so that motorists can better see deer as
they approach the road.
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o

Steve Flint observed that there were still some
people who did not understand the purpose of the
scoping meetings and some still believed that a
4-lane roadway alternative was being considered.
Steve also restated the need to have a mechanism
for sorting out spot improvements and evaluating
their impacts individually.

o

There was some general discussion on the notification of government agencies.
Duncan suggested
that a copy of the letter which was sent to
agencies be attached to the minutes of this
meeting when it is mailed to team members.

ITEM 4 - EXPANSION OF THE l.D.TEAM
Stan Nuffer told the team that there had been some suggestions
made during the scoping meetings that interests from Rich
County be included on the 1.0. Team. -The Mayor of Logan had
also expressed some interest about having a broader
representation on the team. After some discussion it was
concluded that the team was primarily dealing with technical
issues and that the "technical interests" were represented.
- Fred LaBar thought that the biggest problem in Rich County
was the lack of information.
There · is n~ local newspaper
and most people do not take the Herald Journal so there is
no local vehicle for getting information out.
It was
decided to invite both the. Rich County people and Logan
people to attend I. D. Team meetings t .O see how they operate,
but there was not much to be gained by adding additional
members to the team.
There will be a work meeting with the
Logan City Council (tentatively scheduled for March 19) and
any team member who can attend is encourqged to do so.
ITEM 5 - DAY-LONG SESSION IN THE CANYON TO DEFINE ALTERNATIVES
There was some discussion on the value of spending some time
in the Canyon and defining the alternatives on the ground.
Most team members were supportive of the idea but felt that
some time was needed to study what had been done on large
scale maps.
Stan will have the information put on 1"=200' maps and copies made for the next meeting. A session in the
Canyon will be scheduled at that time.
ITEM 6 - TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS
There was some brief discussion on the traffic projections.
Cliff Forsgren said that calculations, assumptions and methodologies for projecting traffic and estimating highway
capacity were being double checked and more information would
be forthcoming.
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                    <text>LOGAN CANYON ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY
ID TEAM MEETING MINUTES
May 4, 1987

Attendance:
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Howard Richardson, UDOT
Lynn Zollinger, UDOT
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
Cliff Forsgren, CH2M HILL
Clark Ostergaard, USFS
Fred Labar, USFS
Jack Spence, Utah Wilderness Association
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Gale Larson, Valley Engineers
Bill Helm, Unattached
Item 1 - Review of Minutes
April 20, 1987 Meeting
During the review of the minutes of the April 20 meeting,
Stan Nuffer told the ID Team that he felt that input from
the regulatory agencies could be obtained just as· effectively
on a one-on-one basis as it could in another meeting. Duncan
Silver had discussed this with Stan Nuffer and Stan is goLng
to follow up on it. Bill Helm indicated that he had gathered some additional information on fish counts and spawning habitat and would bring it to the next meeting. Lynn
Zollinger asked about a rare disease which occurred in some
varieties of trees in Logan Canyon. Fred LaBar indicated
that he knew what Lynn was referring to and that he would
get some information on the disease to Lynn.
April 21, 1987 Meeting
There was considerable discussion on the minutes of the tour
of the Canyon and there were a number of changes made. Most
of those present asked for revised copies of the minutes
when they were completed.
After the review of the minutes, Jack Spence reported that
the environmental groups had met and reviewed the project to
date and had some concerns. They had looked at all of the
alternatives and none are acceptable, except spot improvements on a case-by-case basis. Jack reported the environmental community felt that the size of the project was
growing beyond the original scope and that it appeared that
FHWA was driving this increase. Jack explained that the
existing forest plan, which has been approved, left little
room for improvements of any size in the Canyon. There is
some concern that the study is progressing without regard to

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the forest plan and its limitations.
If the study results
in recommended improvements requiring a change in the forest
plan, that change would be appealed and the entire process
delayed indefinitely. The belief of · the environmental community is that the forest plan allows only spot improvements
and that all environmental sections of the report must
address how each alternative would affect the plan.
Item 2 - Discussion of the Existing Conditions Portion of
the Socio-Economic Technical Memorandum
(Due to the lack of time discussion of this item was postponed)
Item 3 - Discussion of Spot Improvement Alternative
Specific spot improvements were identified.

These include:

1.

A nominal deceleration and turn-lane at Right Fork

2.

An improved intersection at Wood Camp

3.

Flattening the first sharp curve above Right Fork

4.

Slow vehicle turnout above Wood Carnp and just
beyond the area where the Maquire Primrose is
located

5.

Replacing Burnt Bridge

6.

Improvements to allow parking near Logan Cave,
raising the grade along the river at the cave and
possibly doing a better job of placing riprap.
Options for flattening the curve are to be
evaluated.

7.

Replacing Lower Twin Bridge, possibly on a new
alignment

8.

Passing lane in the Lower Twin Bridge and Dugway
area

9.

Intersection improvements at the Temple Fork
intersection.

10.

Shift the alignment of the road at Ricks Springs
to allow parking on one side of the road only.

11.

Intersection improvements at Tony Grove

12.

Intersection improvements at Red Banks

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13.

A climbing lane beginning approximately 2 miles
above Ricks Springs

14.

Intersection improvements at Franklin Basin

15.

Replace the drainage structure at Beaver Creek

16.

Intersection improvements at Beaver Mountain

17.

Climbing lane between Beaver Mountain and the
state maintenance shed

18.

Climbing lane in the Sinks area

19.

Intersection improvements at Sunrise Campground

20.

Some curve flattening in Rich County

21.

Intersection improvement in Rich County

Each spot improvement will be evaluated individually to
determine its impact and benefit.
There was not enough time to address the other agenda items
and they will be discussed at a later date.
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LOGAN CANYON
MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
October 6, 1986
Attendance:
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
John D'Amico, CH2M HILL
Cliff Forsgren,CH2M HILL
Sherril Pitkin, CH2M HILL
Fred LaBar, USFS
Mark Shaw, USFS
Clark Ostergard, USFS
Gale Larson, Valley Engineering
Neal Stoeger, FHWA
. John Neil, UDOT
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Bruce Swenson, UDOT
Jack Spence
Steve Flint
Item 1 - Review of Minutes
Steve Flint asked that in all tech memo's and minutes, traffic
volumes be stated as either winter, summer or annual.
Item 2 - Review of Public Information Meeting

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Stan Nuffer led the discussion on the public information
meeting. Steve Flint pointed out that the distance from
Garden City to Montelier, Idaho was 31 miles and the distance between Logan and "
Garden City is 40 plus miles.
Steve
also indicated that he had spoken with people in the emergency room at the Logan Hospital and they said that there
were medical services available in Montpelier and that the
decision _to come to Logan for medical treatment was a personal one. Steve was concerned that there may have been ~ arl
impression created at the meeting that there were no medical
services in Montpelier. Noone at the meeting was certain
just what services were available in Montpelier~
It was
generally concluded that since Logan is a regional medical
facility and has a greater range of services and specialists
than the other communities in the general area, Logan would
be a more desireable place to go for medical attention.

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There was also a question about an increase in RV traffic in
the Canyon. RV traffic is expected to increase at the same
rate as the overall traffic volume. There has been nothing
to indicate that the percentage of RV traffic will increase.

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Jim Naegel mentioned that during the public meeting Rudy
Lukez had said that he had traffic flow data dating back to
the 1930's. Jim wondered why that information had not been
brought to the ID Team and if Rudy wanted it considered as
part of this study. No one in attendance was certain what
Rudy wanted to do with the data.
There was some discussion on the problem with the accident
rate calculations obtained from UDOT. Jack Spence and Steve
Flint expressed concern that the safety analysis may not be
as good as it might be because of uncertain data. After
some discussion it was decided that a letter would be written to the appropriate UDOT officials pointing out the calculation problems and the fear that there may be problems
with the data itself. Cliff Forsgren will write the letter.
Further discussion of safety led to the conclusion that those
O.Ol-mile highway sections which appeared to have a greater
number of accidents/year (at 80 percent confidence) than the
average for the Canyon would be included in the alternative
development phase.
If during the alternative development
phase it was determined that more information was needed on
a specific site, the original accident reports for that site
would be examined.
Item 3 - Visual Considerations Presentation by Clark Ostergard
Clark Ostergard made a presentation which explained the Forest
Services' approach to classifying visual aspects and impacts
of a proposed project.
In addition to a written presentation,
there were slides illustrating the important features of the
visual classification system. Clark also had some references
on designing and/or mitigating visual impacts on scenic highways. Clark has also taken the time to classify the roadway
between Right Hand Fork and Ricks Springs. This information
• will be extremely helpful as alternatives are developed and
evaluated.
Fred LaBar also discussed the Forest Plan, in particular
Logan Canyon. Fred pointed out the provision for classifica~
tion of the highway in Logan Canyon as a "scenic highway".
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John D' Amico asked if the "scenic highway" designation would ~ t-A~f'/ .
increase traffic in the Canyon. Fred said that it might,
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especially if the Forest Service could increase its camping
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facilities.

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Item 4 - Garden City Meeting
Gale Larson said that there was a lot of interest in a meeting in Garden City. A meeting was scheduled for Monday,
' November 3, 1986 at 7:30 p.m. in Garden City.
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MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
September 22, 1986

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Attendance:

Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
John D'Amico, CH~M HILL
Cliff Forsgren,CH2M HILL
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Fred LaBar, USFS
Mark Shaw, USFS
Clark Ostergard, USFS
Gale Larson, Valley Engineering
John Neil, UDOT
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Howard Richardson, UDOT
Rudy Lukez, Sierra Club
Item 1 - Review of Minutes
Cliff Forsgren indicated that there had been some inconsistencies discovered in the accident rate calculations and
that it would be better to hold off on presenting any information to the public until the questions were answered.
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Item 2 - Traffic Characteristics
Stan Nuffer lead the discussion of the Traffic Characteristics
Technical Memorandum. During the discussion Rudy Lukez questioned the statement about the winter traffic count representing a "background" traffic flow. After some discussion,
Duncan Silver wondered if the issues of background flow was
really relevant to the study. Duncan asked that it be made
clearer in the memorandum which flows were winter, which
were summer and which were annual.
It was concluded in the memorandum that the Design Hourly
Volume (DHV) would be 14 percent of the average daily summer
traffic.
It was also noted that the 14 percent figure tracks
very closely with other recreational roads.
Item 3 - Traffic Capacity
Cliff Forsgren presented the results of the traffic capacity
analysis.
It was pointed out that the primary purpose of
the analysis was to try to describe the conditions that
exist in the Canyon under various traffic volumes. To do
this, a Level of Service approach was used. Levels of
service from A to E were examined. It was determined that
all sections of the road offer a level of service D at the
present time and that by the year 2010 level E would be

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�experienced in most of the Canyon. Rudy Lukez asked if level
of service D was really undesireable. Cliff indicated that
a desired level of service would need to be established as a
goal and that this had not been done. Before alternatives
can be developed this must be accomplished.
Item 4 - Miscellaneous
Duncan Silver felt that there needed to be a list developed
of general environmental factors.
This should be completed
before the development of alternatives begins. Stan Nuffer
indicated that the environmental team is gathering information and there should be some basic understanding before
serious alternative development began.
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                    <text>- LOGAN CANYON
MINUTES OF ID TEAM MEETING
September 8, 1986

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Attendance:
Stan Nuffer, CH2M HILL
Cliff Forsgren,CH2M HILL
Duncan Silver, FHWA
Fred LaBar, USFS
Mark Shaw, USFS
Clark Ostergard, USFS
Steve Flint, Audobon Society
Gale Larson, Valley Engineering
John Neil, UDOT
Jim Naegle, UDOT
Lynn Zollinger, UDOT
Bill Helm
Item 1 - Review of Minutes
Duncan Silver suggested that the presentation of the roadway
width data could be clearer. It is possible that someone
could interpret it to mean an l8-foot pavement width, which
is not the case.
Item 2 - Draft Traffic Forecast Technical Memorandum
A draft of the safety technical memorandum was distributed
and Cliff Forsgren briefly explained the memorandum. The
fundamental conclusion stated in the memorandum is that
there are accidents occurring in Logan Canyon at a greater
rate than the' average for similar roads in the state, but
that the accidents are not generally serious.
In the memorandum, it is recommended that during the alternative development portion of the study, safety related alternatives be
considered at locations identified.
Lynn Zollinger suggested that the original accident reports
should be reviewed in order to better define the location
and cause of the accidents. Duncan Silver suggested that it
was probably not necessary to go into greater detail except
for specific improvements.
Duncan asked that a day/night breakdown of accidents be included in the memorandum. Bill Helm thought that it would
be helpful to expand Table 6 to include the number of each
type of accident (severity 1 through 5). Duncan also pointed
out that roadway improvements to not often reduce the number
of acci~e~ts, but will reduce the severity.

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-Steve Flint asked what effect the latest safety improvements
had on the accident rate. Duncan pointed out that since the
safety project had been completed within the past few months,
it -would not be possible to estimate the impact, with any
degree of confidence, for 3 or 4 years. There was some discussion about the chevrons which had been placed to mark one
particularly sharp curve, and whether they had improved the
safety of that curve. No one was certain when the chevrons
were installed so that question could not be answered at
the meeting.
Duncan also suggested that something be said about the number
of accidents which may be occurring during peak traffic periods.
Steve Flint asked for copies of the "quick list".
Cliff will see that he gets copies.
Item 3 - Review of Manual Traffic Counts
The date of the first public information meeting was set for
September 23, 1986. Duncan Silver suggested that we should
take the opportunity at the meeting to ask questions. "
"How
long does it take you to get through the Canyon now?" "How
much faster do you want to get through the Canyon?" "What
are you willing to give up to get through that fast?"
Bill Helm said that it might be helpful if there was an opportunity to discuss the types of improvements that might be
necessary to upgrade the road or eliminate some problems.
The public would then have an idea of what might happen if
some types of improvements were implemented.
The next ID team meeting was scheduled for September 22,
1986 at 3:00 p.m. at the District Office in Ogden.
SLC-STN/03

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                    <text>LOGAN CANYON ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY
MINUTES OF INTERDISCIPLINE TEAM MEETING
June 23, 1986
Attending:
Torn Haislip - CH2M HILL
Sheldon Barker - CH2M HILL
Gale Larson - Valley Engineering
Lynn Zollinger - UDOT
Bill Helm - Interested Party
Jack Spence - Cache Group Sierra Club
Rudy Lukez - Cache Group Sierra Club
Steve Flint - Bridgerland Audobon Association
John Neil - UDOT
Cliff Forsgren - CH2M HILL
Jim Naegle - UDOT
Stan Nuffer - CH2M HILL
Clark Ostergard - USFS
Mark Shaw - USFS
Fred LaBar - USFS
Duncan Silver - FHWA
Howard Richardson - UDOT

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ITEM 1 - Discussion of Minutes
Stan Nuffer called the meeting to order and asked if anyone
had comments on the minutes of the last meeting.
There was
a question raised about the review function of the ID Team
which was described in the minutes.
The role of the ID Team
was an agenda item for this meeting and discussion of the
function was postponed until later in the meeting. There
was no further discussion of the minutes.
ITEM 2 - Discussion of Role of Interdisciplinary Team
A statement of the role of the interdisciplinary team
was distributed and discussed.
The major functions
were:
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...I... •

2.

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Provide management input Provide technical input CH2M HILL will provide the primary input and
the USFS would provide the technical input on
environmental items. Other team members
would add input as the need or opportunity
arose.
Review technical memoranda and draft Environmental Report -

�4.

The team members will review the technical
memoranda and will also review the draft
environmental report.
Level of environmental action determinationRudy Lukez asked if this means that a decision will be made during the study on what
the proposed project will be. He also wanted
to know who would make the decision.
It was
explained that the final decision on what
project, if any, will be proposed will be
made by the three cooperating agencies, UDOT,
USFS and FHWA. Prior to the decision on a
project however, a decision must be made on
the class of environmental action (EA or EIS) .
Jack Spence was not sure who would make the
recommendation on the class of environmental
action to the cooperating agencies.
It was
determined that the ID Team would make the
recommendation.

Modifications to the statement of the role of the team
were made.
The revised statement is attached to these
minutes.
ITEM 3 - Level of Documentation Required by NEPA for
Environmental Studies

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NEPA requirements for environmental studies were reviewed
and discussed. A handout taken from the UDOT publication,
Procedures for Project Development, described the basic categories.
ITEM 4 - Public Involvement Program Outline
Ap outline of the Public Involvement Program had previously
been sent to ID Team members and was discussed at length.
The principle topics of discussion were:
1.

. The terms "projectlf and "study" were both used in
the outline. To be consistent "study" should be
used throughout when describing the ongoing activity.
This will help to alleviate any fears of those who
equate Ifproject" with actual construction.

?.

Jack Spence wanted to know what the rational for
the study was. Lynn Zollinger explained that whenever UDOT went into Logan Canyon, people asked the
question If What is going to happen next?" After
this study is complete UDOT can point to a plan
which will address the transportation needs in the
Canyon through the year 201rr.

�3.

The press release was discussed and Rudy Lukez
suggested that the ID Team be described in it.
John Neil stated that UDOT's community relations
department would release the information as soon
as it was prepared.

4.

During the discussion of Milestone 2, it was recommended that the word "improvements be replaced
with "action" so that both repair and improvements
would be covered. Rudy Lukez asked where traffic
forecasts would be used and how they would be
developed.
It was explained that the permanent
traffic counter at Garden City, and spot traffic
counts, would be used to establish the present
tra f fic load in the Canyon. Population projections prepared by agencies having that responsibility would then be used to project traffic
volume ahead to the year 2010.
It was explained
that there had already been spot traffic counts
taken at two locations, on 2 different days this
past winter and that more would be taken this summer. Jack Spence was not sure that the data
gathered would be sufficient.
He said that one of
the problems with past studies was the lack of
reliable traffic data from which to project future
traffic flow.
Jack asked to see the methodology
and data when it was available.
Rudy Lukez asked
if sampling was an accepted means of gathering
current traffic flow data. Duncan Silver answered
that it was, provided the sample size was large
enough and the sampling techniques were acceptable. He also suggested that the ID Team evaluate
the sampling techniques.
Stan Nuffer said that
information on the methodology and sampling techniques would be ready for the next ID Team meeting.
Rudy Lukez asked if they could be prepared far
enough in advance to allow the team members a
chance to review the information before the next
meeting.
Duncan Silver restated his belief that
the key issue on this · item was the methodology
used to gather the present traffic flow data.
Duncan also wanted to know why a 2-day 10-hour
sample period was selected, a period of this type
would be acceptable for traffic classification but
probably not for counts.
Stan Nuffer said that
information on the methodology and sampling techniques would be available before the next meeting.
ll

5.

Jack Spence expressed concern about having too
many meetings during the summer vlhen many of the
USU students and facility are out of town.
Sheldon
Barker indicated that the schedule of meetings was

�flexible and that something could probably be worked
out.
6.

During the discussion of Milestone 3, Jack Spence
asked if the Public Involvement Program was designed to meet the requirements for an EIS in case
there was a need for one. Tom Haislip explained
that the program was designed with an EIS in mind.
Sheldon Barker also asked the team members for
names of persons or organizations who should be
added to the mailing list. Anyone who has a suggestion should either give Sheldon the information
after the meeting or mail it to him.

ITEM 5 - Schedule of Interdisciplinary Team Meetings
Stan Nuffer presented a schedule of team meetings through
September.
It was suggested that 3:00 p.m. would be a better
time for some team members than 10:00 a.m.
It was agreed
that all meetings scheduled for 10:00 a.m. would be held at
3:00 p.m. instead.
Before the meeting adjourned, Duncan Silver again stated
that he felt the traffic data must be good enough to satisfy
the group before the study proceeded too much farther.
Jim
Naegle stated that standard accepted methods were used during
the gathering of data.
The next scheduled meeting is 3:00 p.m., July 14, 1986, in
the District office in Ogden.

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